Five kids killed in violent crash

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Azuremen
They have a system where you have to breath into a breathalizer before you can start the car. You'll find them often on cars of people that have gotten a DUI and have worked out an agreement with the court to reduce their penalty.
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But then comes the problem of a sober passenger possibly taking the breathilizer for them. I know it sounds stupid for the sober guy to put himself in danger but you know how stupid people can be.
 
Wow, I used to live in Ocala where this happened.

Kylehnat
Alcohol is not the problem. It's only the idiots who seem to lose function of every single brain cell that's the problem. Most of us wouldn't even contemplate getting behind the wheel while drunk.
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So true.
 
*McLaren*
Sorry, but I feel no sympathy except for the families. Teens have been told for years not to drink & drive, yet Mr. Idiot here decides, "Hey, let's take my dad's BMW out for a ride while we're all drunk."

Textbook situation that led to an unsurprising end.
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Very well put, I concur.
 
Blackbird.
But then comes the problem of a sober passenger possibly taking the breathilizer for them. I know it sounds stupid for the sober guy to put himself in danger but you know how stupid people can be.
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If somebody is driving drunk with a sober person in the passenger seat, they don't deserve to be able to drive. And if the sober person won't drive, I'm sure both of them deserve to get in a massive wreck.
 
I'm still figuring out what drinking is good for. I mean yeah, so you can use it for an excuse to be a dumbass or become an alcoholic. Kinda sad sometime when a bunch of people NEED to be drunk to be doing a group thing. Anyway, they aren't paths I want to go down.
 
Bram Turismo
Why drink in the first place?

Am I happy I don't drink ANY alcohol, AT ALL, I'll stick with my soda :p
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V1P3R
I'm still figuring out what drinking is good for. I mean yeah, so you can use it for an excuse to be a dumbass or become an alcoholic. Kinda sad sometime when a bunch of people NEED to be drunk to be doing a group thing. Anyway, they aren't paths I want to go down.
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I completely agree with the above posts, drinking seems meaningless in the first place. Losing a handfull of braincells for each sip you take of the poisoning depressant and having your memory of this so-called 'good-time' being blurred the next wake definitely does not make logical sense to me.

peeweegary
When will teens ever understand...
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Generalise much? These teens were obviously absolute idiots (there is no doubt about that though) and make up just a small percentage of teenagers; please don't apply the mentality of these kids to the global 13-19 yr. old population.
 
V1P3R
I'm still figuring out what drinking is good for. I mean yeah, so you can use it for an excuse to be a dumbass or become an alcoholic. Kinda sad sometime when a bunch of people NEED to be drunk to be doing a group thing. Anyway, they aren't paths I want to go down.
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If you are responsible with it alcohol isn't a bad thing, I enjoy a drink from time to time but when I do so I'm in my own home and I know my limits.
 
You younger guys that say drinking is completely daft... you'll understand a bit more the appeal to it when you get older.

That aside, moderation is good... the time I woke up in a shower with a label crazy glued to my hand (because someone tried to glue a whole bottle to it) was not good. The nights I have a few and enjoy hanging out with friends and sharing ridiculous stories are good.

Still, no excuse for drinking and driving, period.
 
I really don't know what to say, except some cynical stuff that regards the fact that such accidents are all too common in today's society. This may have been around in the Sixties, but it still happens after all this time.
 
superberkut
I really don't know what to say, except some cynical stuff that regards the fact that such accidents are all too common in today's society. This may have been around in the Sixties, but it still happens after all this time.
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There are more people with access to cars now, it's not really surprising there are more accidents.
 
Bram Turismo
Wasn't he drunk?
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Actually, no. The police have recanted the statement that alcohol was a contributing factor.

So I'm not sure if that makes them dumber, or not.
 
Joey D
If you are responsible with it alcohol isn't a bad thing
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Kinda funny... it's like in the beer commercials how they say "drink responsibly". Uhh... yeah right. xD

Speaking of ironic funnies. One of my friend that looks like a taller Mexican version of Fez walked into our party one time with a new breathlizer. Did it work? no... Was he or anyone else gonna use it? no...
 
Duke
So I'm not sure if that makes them dumber, or not.
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That just makes it a case of driving beyond your talent, something which I’m pretty sure most young drivers have done. Not necessarily to that extent, though…

So IMO not as stupid, but still very stupid. But that’s Darwinism for you.
 
The original article said that alcohol was 'likely' a factor (an assumption made by the police because they were 5 young adults who'd been at a party) but that they wouldn't know for sure until toxicology tests were done.... still, that didn't stop some people in this thread telling us how these guys deserved to die... :rolleyes: Even if alcohol was involved, that's a harsh statement... whether the driver was drunk or not, what he was doing was highly risky and arguably very stupid. But how anyone can say that the others 'knew' that this was going to happen but got in the car anyway is totally beyond me. As much as people need to pay attention to the drink-driving advice, they should also be reminded that an $80,000 is a lethal weapon in the wrong hands, whether or not you have been drinking. And one thing is for sure, if you share the Talebaneqsue attitude that these young guys deserved to die for allowing one of themselves to make a stupid mistake, then I'll gladly pay for your flight to Kabul...
 
V1P3R
Kinda funny... it's like in the beer commercials how they say "drink responsibly". Uhh... yeah right. xD

Speaking of ironic funnies. One of my friend that looks like a taller Mexican version of Fez walked into our party one time with a new breathlizer. Did it work? no... Was he or anyone else gonna use it? no...
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I seem to drink fairly responsibly, it's not really all that hard to do so.

And TM, I agree with what you are saying, no one deserves to die, but some people just feel less sympathy towards the death of some rather than the death of others. The media around here pretty much said it was a drunk driving accident but we all know how much the media can skew things in their favour.
 
Racing a car down a runway is not exactly an uncommon pastime, nor is it generally slated as being unusually dangerous. Furthermore, most professional drivers will confirm that driving fast in a straight line does not require much skill.

People with cars and access to a runway will commonly blat up and down it. In fact, I wouldn't mind betting that a significant number of people with drivers licenses on this forum would attempt to max a supercar down a runway if given the opportunity. And how many would say "no" when their buddy asks if he can sit in the passenger seat?

Finally, it is not uncommon for even professional drivers to misjudge their braking point when doing max speed runs down runways, and as a result go sailing off the end, usually harmlessly. That's why when you see Clarkson and co doing going at it they'll usually have a finishing line at which point they can lift off the throttle, or a huge sign saying BRAKE to remind them that they need to start decelerating NOW. So this accident, which looks like it took place in unsupervised conditions but on a private, apparently safe environment (after all, what could you possibly hit on a deserted runway....?)

Somehow I don't think it would have seemed like a particularly dumb or dangerous idea at the time, until whatever happened that made them sail off the end (blowout, braked far too late for some reason, was watching speedo instead of runway... whatever). Of course, if the driver WAS drunk, then climbing in a car with him with the explicit intention of seeing how fast it goes is certainly a very bad idea.

Just because it was an avoidable accident at a time when they didn't even need to be in a car, doesn't make it an utterly stupid thing to do. I'll bet nearly all of us have done something for a laugh that could have gotten us killed in the dumbest way but we didn't know any better... it just didn't go wrong.
 
Touring Mars
The original article said that alcohol was 'likely' a factor (an assumption made by the police because they were 5 young adults who'd been at a party) but that they wouldn't know for sure until toxicology tests were done.... still, that didn't stop some people in this thread telling us how these guys deserved to die... :rolleyes: Even if alcohol was involved, that's a harsh statement... whether the driver was drunk or not, what he was doing was highly risky and arguably very stupid. But how anyone can say that the others 'knew' that this was going to happen but got in the car anyway is totally beyond me. As much as people need to pay attention to the drink-driving advice, they should also be reminded that an $80,000 is a lethal weapon in the wrong hands, whether or not you have been drinking. And one thing is for sure, if you share the Talebaneqsue attitude that these young guys deserved to die for allowing one of themselves to make a stupid mistake, then I'll gladly pay for your flight to Kabul...
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If alcohol was not a factor, then I retract my first post to a degree. I still think 5 teens in a $80,000 BMW blasting down a runway is a solution for death, but I do not think they deserved to die,
 
Tragedy. Happens every day all over the world. I don't see why this one warrants a thread.
 
Alfaholic
Just because it was an avoidable accident at a time when they didn't even need to be in a car, doesn't make it an utterly stupid thing to do. I'll bet nearly all of us have done something for a laugh that could have gotten us killed in the dumbest way but we didn't know any better... it just didn't go wrong.
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I read the post on the M5 board. To me, his sig says an awful lot about why this accident happened:
dead M5 driver's sig
2008 M5 Space Gray (fully loaded)
2008 535i Monaco Blue Metallic(fully loaded)
2007 335i Montego Blue Metallic(sold)
2007 Cadillac Escalade(Loaded)
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Because he had money it makes him more prone to accidents?
 
Joey D
Because he had money it makes him more prone to accidents?
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Having tons of new money - and parents willing to waste it lavishly on you in a vain attempt to impress people (like happens so frequently with new money) - means you are much more likely to grow up thinking you are:

A) impervious to the rules of nature
B) not subject to common sense
c) entitled to whatever you want, no matter how ridiculous

Not all rich people are like that in any way. I went to school with a lot of rich kids. All the ones from old money (like, direct-line DuPont descendants, from the international giant corporation) were great guys who didn't think that they crapped ice cream, who drove dad's 15-year-old Benz, and didn't have to impress anybody.

All the ones whose parents (or maybe grandparents at best) had made a ton of money were the ones who flashed it around, acted like asses, and totaled 3 powerful cars before they were 18, etc.

In other words, people who would have a sig like that.
 
I have friends whose parents buy them their nice car and live in multi-million dollar homes and they are totally sensible, wise and generally amazing human beings that would never consider doing anything of this nature. It's a two-way road.
 
The M5Board is at a standstill: 43,000+ views on that one topic.

The parents are not at fault, but they should think twice before permitting a kid to drive a 500hp car. I know a teenager can get in trouble with 100 horses ***cough***, but don't fuel the fire; teenagers don't listen and will test limits.

That said, which licensed drivers on this board, or any other car forum, have never tested the limits of their automobile well past legal limits, or in truly dangerous conditions or in reckless ways? Some people pay the ultimate price, others get lucky, and live to tell stories.

About the best that can be said is that no other motorists were hurt by this display of stupidity, although he killed 4 of his friends in the process.
 
Originally Posted by dead M5 driver's sig
2008 M5 Space Gray (fully loaded)
2008 535i Monaco Blue Metallic(fully loaded)
2007 335i Montego Blue Metallic(sold)
2007 Cadillac Escalade(Loaded)
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So, he had wealthy parents? This signature tells it all, indeed.

It is sad when irresponsible parents let their kids loose in high-powered cars because, from what I've seen here, they have the money, unless the kid 'borrowed' the car from one of his parents? I missed this detail before.
 
superberkut
It is sad when irresponsible parents let their kids loose in high-powered cars because, from what I've seen here, they have the money, unless the kid 'borrowed' the car from one of his parents? I missed this detail before.
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<- Counterexample. 10,000+ miles trouble-free in the parents' car. Maybe that's because they are covering insurance until something happens....
 
exigeracer
I have friends whose parents buy them their nice car and live in multi-million dollar homes and they are totally sensible, wise and generally amazing human beings that would never consider doing anything of this nature. It's a two-way road.
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Just like there are poor but incredibly stupid people out there as well.
 
Joey D
Just like there are poor but incredibly stupid people out there as well.
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There are stupid people in every strata of society. Duh. That's not even remotely near my point, but thank you for belaboring it.

My point is this: new money parents + desire to impress + immature bratty teen = probable disaster.
 

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