Force-Feedback and Rumble are two different things!!
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- Labounti
Some Blu Ray players dont support java. PS3 does. PS3 is more than just the hardware that will power GT5.....
and the no force feedback is speculation and shouldn't even be considerd true unless sony says so.
"FFB is hardly essential for arcade racers," Big deal The DFP made Carbon interesting, arcade racer or not it doesn't totaly handle like an arcade game should with a wheel. burnout doesnt feel anything like Carbon, Ridge Racer 7 is a total mess with the DFP at least with the Raggio's dynamic drifting. Sony only has one sim racng game. If somen passes on GT5 because of no FF they never were a big fan of the series to boot. no FF in GT1 or 2 and that sold well. What percentage of GT4 fans even used the wheel? 35%? maybe 25%.
and the no force feedback is speculation and shouldn't even be considerd true unless sony says so.
"FFB is hardly essential for arcade racers," Big deal The DFP made Carbon interesting, arcade racer or not it doesn't totaly handle like an arcade game should with a wheel. burnout doesnt feel anything like Carbon, Ridge Racer 7 is a total mess with the DFP at least with the Raggio's dynamic drifting. Sony only has one sim racng game. If somen passes on GT5 because of no FF they never were a big fan of the series to boot. no FF in GT1 or 2 and that sold well. What percentage of GT4 fans even used the wheel? 35%? maybe 25%.
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- Draith
What you have to understand here is the emotional response of people who play GT4 regularly with a Wheel like the DF Pro (who are very aware of the FFB and how much it adds to the game) suddenly being told that the game will no longer support it...of course these people are going to be upset and declare that they will not support the product...it's like being told your favourite car company are only going to make automatics from now on...
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- Uruguay
Well, considering blu-ray is almost certainly going the way of betamax (for you kids out there, betamax was a type of video tape which died, leaving millions with worthless VCRs), I would sell it and get a dedicated HD-DVD player, if I needed and HD player before "universal" players go on the market.
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Not the right thread for this, but it almost certainly isn't. And VCRs didn't play BETAmax tapes. They play VHS tapes.
HD-DVD has absolutely no advantages over Blu-ray. BD has much more studio support, it's more technically advanced, etc etc. Just because it's made my Sony doesn't mean it's automatically the next Betamax.
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- gtxlr
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You really need to open your eyes on the world.
To Simply believe that something is only true when Sony says so!
There are far to many factors involved in this area behind Sonys locked doors!
Money,Pride,job's,ego's to name but a few.
The decision about what to tell gullable punters are made by people that are affected by all these elements of life.
They may not outwardly lie to you,but they will spin it to you in their favour to protect themselves and sony.
This doesnt just affect Sony, it is done by every business that's out for profit every single day!
If you are content to be Spoon fed what you believe to be true, then so be it!
Where as i would prefer to make informed choice, research what you hear from all sides, then make a decision based on what you learn.
Fact: Japenses Version 1 supports force feedback on japanese consoles and U.S consoles.
Fact: Japenese version Upgraded to remove feedback when used on U.S consoles.
Fact: Japanese Version 1.16 supports force feedback on japenese consoles.
Fact: Japenese Version 1.16 doesnt support force feedback on u.s consoles.
Fact: all U.S versions do not support force feedback on u.s consoles.
Evidenced by real people around the world, reported by real people around the world on forums around the world.
Sonys response thus far: (Im sure youve seen the B.S answers, So bad I cant even bring myself to waste my time to type the drivel!)
Some one ought to have asked Sony how come it works in japan!!!
Do you believe 1up.coms quote direct from SONY in response to the question which was raised by real people here at GTplanet, was made up? (that would be libel, wouldnt it?)
Do you not think, Sony just made an excuse which is partly plausible, and explainable by Sony as a way to deflect the public from knowing the real reason???
Do you think Sony believe we are gullable???
Do you think Sony Believe we accept what they say is the whole truth???
Are you gullable enough???
Look around you, All News media doesnt always give you all the facts, they all have there own agendas! their own point of view.
Sony doesnt give you all the facts, becasue they have their own agenda too!
The truth in modern society requires you look deeper than any public official line, and their is no replacement for the evidence of real world witness! the more the better.
Reality check Labounti, expand your views, broaden your horizons, and develop beyond one sided 6th form argument and debate!
Make your decisions, and make your choice what to do about it.
Possible consequences: remain passive and Sony may or may not in the future include force feedback in the u.s, because Sony arent under pressure from its consumers it may maintain the line that they dont need ffb!
Alternatively make noise and complain that this vital element of the progression of GT and sim racers needs ffb, im sure PD and KY make noises, the gaming media made noise, and was privy to the same pony excuses weve all heard! thats why they snipe at Sony now! We arent all thick and gullable to hang on to whatever Sony Spiel, official or not, Show some respect to all of us, Sony! we arent all as unintelligent as you think!
So right now its up to consumers to add to those demands to put Sony under even more pressure to find away to resolve the issue, the more pressure from more directions will result in a higher likelyhood that Sony will find a way to resolve the issue of ffb and we can all be happy!
As loyal Sony consumers you have that right, you have made Sony what it is, and Sony execs as rich as they are, without you they would not lead the previlaged lives they have!
You deserve the courtesy to be heard, to request to bring to those who are less privelaged, what they want when they invest their hard earned cash, and afford those at Sony that privelaged life they live.
You just upheld my point about Arcade racers, they dont need a wheel much less force feedback to be enjoyed!
Sony Has one Sim Raing game! GT
To make full use of the sim aspects, one first has to understand how to drive in real life and how car control is affected by your inputs, then you have to relate that as effectively as possible through whatever means. in this case a sim wheel with feedback simulating the effects of the cars weight transfer and grip levels as it moves through the virtual inviroment.
To remove that element of the sim, detracts from its sim elements.
GT1 and GT2 sold well without force feedback yes! but weve moved on, we wanted more from sim's, a more immersive feel,and that was delivered with force feedback to a point where its is now an expected standard!
Some of us are huge GT fans, who have invested in wheels, seats, cockpits, TV's, surround sound sytems just to play sim racers, and have grown with the advancement of the series.
Take away the one element that gives feeling back and has an influence on how the cars behave in game is something that you can never get with the hand controller, to me as the driver it detracts totally from the 'real driving simulator'!
Its like going back to playing GT1/2 only with significantly improved graphics, and GT1/2 was 2gens ago!
Enjoyable though they were! They are today imo Arcade racers with sim elements, where in their time they were the peak console sim.
Today, in a world, where to not have the ability to experience force feedback with a wheel in a sim would relegate GT to a non essential purchase to the modern sim race driver!
To relegate the product in the mind of its peak core audience will always be detremental to sales.
If there are no hardcore console racers shouting from the roof tops how good GT is, that will have a dampening effect on the rest of the market, it may well still recieve applause from the Arcade/Sim crowds who only care to play with a controller, but that wont win it any accolades as a Sim Racer!
GT has all the backing and elements to make it the greatest console Sim available, purely by the content and money afforded to PD, and the drive of the man behind it!
Sales are hugely important this Gen, Production costs are movie like and sales units need to be millions, to ensure a game or developer has a future!
The number of people that have a wheel to play GT is irrelevant.
However those that do use the wheel, are at the high end of the market they help create the hype that will sell it to millions, if you take them away from the hype machine and give them fuel to down talk GT, sales will suffer, consequence for Future of GT: Unknown
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- Labounti
You seem way too over concerned. I base my opinions on FACTS. I am very much open minded on this topic. Unlike you, I'm not shaken by this. The rumor's I'm refering to are the ones that made headlines about no FF in all PS3 games or did you miss that? I respect your opinion so respect mine.
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Appologies for the rant.
However "Sonys Facts" arent always as they seem, & sometimes in life you have to make decisions based on knowledge.
Sony and Fact dont seem to go together right now! more like distortion and avoidance!
Every time Sony made a statement over the rumble issue they were challenged or disproved and Sony changed the reason in the next statement
Ive already acknowledged the Forcefeedback is available in PS3 games not produced by Sony.
This just proved that the Sony reps were talking rubbish when questioned by 1up.
Your right i am concerned by this, but only For GT, for its sim aspects, I'm well beyond driving sims without a wheel and forcefeedback as are many others if the issue isnt solved, PS3 and GT will be left behind, upgrades to my desktop will be the order of the day, to re enter the world of PC sims, my XBox360 will take care of most other gaming needs.
In truth im disapointed that Sony chose not to resolve the issue with immersion, as a long standing Sony gamer, to hear how Sony talk about the rumble issue and to not even give any good comment on the feedback issue, in an attempt to hide it from its consumers, is just insulting.
They took a path that is wrong for gamers, they were not so interested in gamers with this technology, its more about re-invigorating other areas of Sonys business, for that gamers will suffer.
So much depends on the success of PS3 for Sonys future that they will do everything they can to shift it, including not revealing the truth behind the rumble and feedback issues to the people who they are relying on to get the machine into homes, the gamers, once the user base is established, it is future download content (movies, games and music) which will pay the way, not hard copy games or console sales.
Sony is looking to make the PS3 the ipod of the living room, not a games machine.
So When Sony feeds a b/s line to maintain the hype and conceal the reasons why gamers might not buy their machine because they need to sell it to them first to establish it, in order to be able to feed the download, i feel antagonised, and rightly so!
I dont accept that behaviour from anyone!
They are relying on us the gamers to make Sony a dominant force in the living room for more than just games, but in the process they have upset a lot of people, Sonys exclusive games have all but dissapeared except for first party titles, some developers have expressed dismay at the way Sony is conducting its business with the PS3, and their seems to be complete confusion of how to take the business forward right now after all the poor decisions and actions of the past couple of years.
They're obviuosly trying to sort things out.
The removal of Ken Kutagari's power, was just the start to repair the damage, followed by the reshuffle, however it appears that their is some kind of struggle going on between the chiefs about which direction to take.
GTHD is a prime example of this, once again the offered reasons for its removal (and no one at sony ever said it was because of the criticism of micro transaction, even though we can clearly figure out that it was! But they will not admit that either anytime soon).
Clearly GTHD premium and classic was well underway and nearing completion, PD had obviously been working hard on it, when it was pulled!
Kaz then has to come out and say we just wanted to work on GT5, which is at least 2 years away.
Sonys premier driving title for PS3 is 2 years away!, even though KAZ and PD were right on the concept from the end of GT4 supposedly.
I have a mag interview with kaz, written just prior to PS3 launch, where he was fully expecting to release GTHD premium/classic and was totally excited about selling the add ons as the developement came on, in it he also stated right now GT5 has no Structure and he is still working on the concepts, modelling and physics work is all thats taking place.
The quick switch over GTHD shows that some serious internal wrangling is going on right now about how to take PS3 forward (that strategy should be sorted well in advance of release), im sure kaz was not very happy at having spent 2 years developing GTHD premium/classic as the stop gap GT then having it pulled from under him!
Sony need to find their feet, and establish their direction fast!
The trouble is who will take the lead, and which direction will take priority Gaming, movies or music!
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- Labounti
Sony has been feeding us B.S. lines for a long time the thruth behind those lines came to light in some way. When I say "when Sony says" I mean when they make any public statement on the matter to give us an idea of whats goining on B.S. or not its something. Its easy to assume things without any kind of statment. I think if you knew me you'd know I dont say things like that much at all. But i dont think people should lose sleep over something thats been conjured up by a community. As far as GT5/GTHD FF it's still a mystery.
And if this is about the U.S. GTHD what about the Europeaon Verison if it will exsist. I think we should reserve judgemnt until that version comes out. GT5 is a year off still so much can happen in that time.
And if this is about the U.S. GTHD what about the Europeaon Verison if it will exsist. I think we should reserve judgemnt until that version comes out. GT5 is a year off still so much can happen in that time.
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Agreed Sony still have time to turn things around before GT see's the light of day.
The issue as to whether it will affect european gamers is yet to be answered.
GTHD will be availablefor download.
Immersion hold a lot of patents here, much more than in japan, but not quite as many as over in the U.S.
How will American gamers feel if europe does get to use forcefeedback too in Sony games?
The issue as to whether it will affect european gamers is yet to be answered.
GTHD will be availablefor download.
Immersion hold a lot of patents here, much more than in japan, but not quite as many as over in the U.S.
How will American gamers feel if europe does get to use forcefeedback too in Sony games?
