Forced to compete against wheels...

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im a ds3 user too but i dont let the wheel users bother me. i like to do the TT to see if i can achieve the leaderboard. this latest tt in the ferrari, i was in the top100 when i last checked and that was with the pad..
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Same, was 30th, now about 360th 1.49.5** (Ferrari)

Would be nice to have seperate leaderboards though!

We can have one on here - can anyone beat my time?
 
First of all you should watch what they do to beat you (instead of complaining)... You probably have something to learn if you are not first (ds3 or wheel).I'm a DS3 user btw.

Improvement only comes with practice (lots of hours)...I'm a grip racer but I also like to Drift...I drifted all seasonal events in the past 9 months but I only make it to top 250 (180) at the previous seasonal.....Now I'm in the top 20, I spent around 12 hours for one events only!

If you want to be on top,you are not gonna get there in just one day!

Edit:See the Time/drift trials like an opportunity too improve yourself.
 
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OP - Join WRS.
Problem solved! Time trialing & competing with people close to your skill level.
Give it a try.

And in sim world you always need hardware...that's how it goes. GT5 wouldn't be a sim if pad could match the wheel.
 
I can't see where you are located because im on my phone, but if you are in the US, Ill sell you a DFGT for $60. It's in the closet collecting dust.
 
I know a guy that's super quick & consistent with a DS3. In fact he's so quick with it that he doesn't even need a wheel.

I drive with the DFGT , although like many others I started my GT5 journey with the DS3 , and became pretty damn quick with it.

This game takes alot of patience , a good deal of time & finding good set-ups for your cars. That's where the speed comes from , ( Pad or wheel . )

My point is that it doesn't really matter if you have a wheel or not , you can be quick either way. Just take your time and enjoy the game.

There's no rush to be the fastest GT5 player out there , GT6 Prologue is a long way off yet......

:)
 
Wheels does not miraculously make one faster.
I played with ds3 for 3 months and then wheel for the next 3 (averaging 2- 3 hours a week). I still get trounced easily by skilled ds3 players because simply I ain't good enough. Counter steer to correct skid is tougher vs ds3 for me. Sharp powerslide is also easier with ds3. One reason why wheels are often at leaderboard is probably because most of the dedicated players who wants simulation had already invested in one. Combined with talent, the gt5 place high on their list of priorities so skimming on other needs, be it time or money, is no big sacrifice. To some extent, acceleration and steering is smoother but abrupt steering control and countersteer is easier with ds3. That's probably why many drifters is with ds3 even if they have wheels. When u can get into the top 100 amongst ds3 players in tt (timing is not that far off) or gold all licenses and event with ds3 (like some gtp here) perhaps u can attribute that 0.1s to controller.
Bottomline is enjoy with what u have, maximize it. If and when u can afford it, get a wheel not to miraculously improve ur time but enjoy the game more.
 
To be strong in Tekken 6 or Street Fighter you should buy an Arcade Stick because allows you to imput command faster and to blast out combos impossible to do on a DS3, but in tournaments they don't do two separate championships, one for ds3 and one for arcade stick, every player competes in the same competition. It's only your choice, to spend money to get a wheel, or to stick with the pad. And don't think that you can buy a wheel and be immediatly fast, it's not a magic tool, you still need lot of skills to become fast, and more to reach the top of TT. Even with a wheel.
 
I use a DS3, I'm not too slow. Agreed that the people I race with that use wheels tend to have an advantage over me but that doesn't mean I always lose to them.
 
I race against plenty of guys with DS3's that are fast and consistent. I raced a league race last night with my DFGT and won the first 15 lap heat by less than 2 seconds over the second place, DS3 user. Third, less than a second behind him, was also a DS3. I won the second 15 lap race by less than a tenth, over a different DS3 user. We were nose to tail the entire race. The real difference between us was I had a slightly better tune I think, but they were just as fast as I was. These guys have beaten me plenty of times in the past as well.

If you want to test for comparison, we were running sub 1:02's at Tsukuba on RH tires in a Cappuccino RM, with a wheel and a DS3. Lot's of guys in the field were between 1:02.2-5 with DS3's and wheels. Tunes are posted in the thread link below if you don't want to waste time setting up the car. I use the Cappuccino as an example because it's a twitchy little car to drive that really requires precision and consistency to be fast. It's a momentum racer for sure.

Same guys are running 1:40.xx and under at Nurb GP/D, 1:24's and under at Deep Forest Reverse at 450pp on SS tires. Those are very fast times that can be done with a DS3, without aids of course.
 
3 or 4 of the fastest people I've seen on the track use controllers. Having a wheel is an advantage, like say for a race that's an hour long or more. But for short races ds3 users can keep up with wheel users no problem. All of the races that I participate in are an hour or longer. When I watch the replays you can tell that the ds3 people are fresh until about 2/3 through the race then their lap times fall of a lot, even with fresh tires and low fuel. While wheel users tend to be consistent in lap times for the whole race.
 
Sharkyzero
Why is it that in a competition (time trial or the GT competition) I'm supposed to compete against people with superior equipment that sways the momentum so securely in their direction it doesn't matter if I make it my 20 hour a day life's work to beat them, I still won't?

Shouldn't there be a controller-only time trial leaderboard?
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Personally, I have no problem with the controller players competing with the racing wheel players. It's sort of ironic that you're getting super-serious about this but at the same time not so serious as to invest in a wheel. How can one be so serious about their racing that they're unhappy about how they're stacking up against others but at the same time so casual as to not invest in the wheel?

Serious players make the more serious investments. Players that aren't serious enough to invest in the wheels don't need to be too terribly serious about how they're stacking up in time trials. Players wishing to get serious need to get serious with a wheel.
 
Whilst I agree that it would be nice to see a "filter by input device" tab, I doubt it'll ever be implemented. I'm a DS3 user too, but really don't mind that people with far more effective input devices beat me in the trials etc.

I'm more into racing online with friends, most of which have wheels kits etc, and yet I can still stay with them. With the right car setups I can even beat them, mostly thanks to consist laps and knowing exactly how the car will react to a given corner, bend or bump.
An example, we ran a GT500 race on Tokyo R246 over 15 laps using any GT500 car we had. A couple of the regulars brought out the usual GTR's and Supra's, whereas I used my Mobil1 NSX. With the DS3 I was a clear 3 seconds per lap faster than everybody else on circuit.

The key thing is to learn how your car will behave and then practice, practice, practice. A good setup will get you far, confidence in that setup will get you further!
 
To put my point across.. You can be very competitive with the DS3 when racing... Not saying I'm amazing here at all but I don't particularly struggle or find A difference when racing against the wheel...
 

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