Ford Focus ST Seasonal Challenge Rigged???

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I managed to do this the other day with SRF OFF. A good setup, SOME dirty driving into other cars and using the G25 paddle shifters instead of the clutch i did it by 3seconds.
 
Spring stiffness regulates the amount of suspension travel and thus weight transfer. On a FWD car usually the front weights more than the back. An unloaded, dry weight FWD car has usually got a static weight balance of around 60% front - 40% rear. To achieve balance and even suspension travel between the two axles, spring stiffness is usually directly proportional to the supported weight. On a FWD car, therefore, front springs are usually set to be harder than rear ones. In that way, assuming correct suspension geometry and damper settings, 0.4 G in both breaking and acceleration will cause for example the same suspension travel.

What happens when we set the front spring stiffness too low and the rear ones too high? Under braking the front of the car will dive much, causing most of the car weight to transfer on the front wheels, which might possibly overheat (front suspensions might also bottom out and the car's underside might touch the ground, although I'm not sure if this is correctly simulated in GT5). Sure, the rear will now be able to easily slide, since rear wheels might be barely touching the ground (if at all in certain cars). However, the fact that they have to support little to no weight under braking also means that little to no grip is generated. No load means no grip. The total car grip will be therefore reduced, although as a whole it might feel apparently feel "better", oversteery.

You don't want to upset too much the spring balance relatively to the car's weight balance. Small adjustments are ok, but too much will make you lose somewhere. The same principle is valid for everything else, anyway.

I believe it's better to mainly tune the car behavior with wheel alignment, damper settings and stabilizers/anti-roll bars (or the LSD even). GT5 however discourages this as there is no way to find out the weight balance of the car (which by the way also changes with the pilot and fuel weights, or static suspension ride height) other than searching up this value (which might not even be 100% correct) on the internet case by case.

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By the way, here's the exact setup I used for the Focus ST (I posted the last one by memory, there are some slight differences):

- Aero 0/5
- Shift gear @ 6000 rpm max.
- Top Speed 230 Km/h
- LSD 5/15/5
- Ride height -20/-20
- Spring rate 12.0/10.0
- Dampers (extension) 7/7
- Dampers (compression) 5/6
- Anti-roll bar 1/4
- Camber angle (-) 2.5/2.0
- Toe angle 0.00/-0.67
- Brake balance 3/10

Fantastic setup!! Right from the get-go, I noticed a significant difference. Lap times dropped from high 1:44's to mid 1:42's-low 1:43's. Only thing is i'm not consistent. I'm 0.8 seconds behind first but i'm sure i'll get this within the hour! THANKS AGAIN!


EDIT: Two tries after this, I managed to get GOLD (SRF off). I managed to beat him by 3 seconds and managed to do laps in the low 1:41's. THANKS AGAIN!
 
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My Focus is not longer eligible to race in this as it has now 222bhp :grumpy:
 
Fantastic setup!! Right from the get-go, I noticed a significant difference. Lap times dropped from high 1:44's to mid 1:42's-low 1:43's. Only thing is i'm not consistent. I'm 0.8 seconds behind first but i'm sure i'll get this within the hour! THANKS AGAIN!


EDIT: Two tries after this, I managed to get GOLD (SRF off). I managed to beat him by 3 seconds and managed to do laps in the low 1:41's. THANKS AGAIN!

I actually found his setup too stiff. I tried JJ72's setup and it felt much better
Setup shown at the end of the video

 
My set-up is was stiff as the road surface allowed. Of course, it's all a matter of preference.
Coincidentally it ended about as stiff as the nascar stock car one, which weights about the same, but I guess that if we take into account the tires' grip, it's indeed stiff.
 
I must be missing something I have gold in every other seasonal event but i cant do any better than 9 seconds from gold on this one. i have tried every setup in this thread and yes I am using the assists I dont get it.
 
tried this with the stock model and only managed 9th at best...

then decided that I needed a set-up to eliminate as much understeer as possible (my pet hate)... needed around 10 attempts (kept hitting the barriers in the tightest corners :dunce:) and used SRF to get gold where I managed to pass the leader just before the final tight corner
 
Were you using Skid Recovery Force ON?

If you were, then that may be why you didn't find this much of a challenge.

If you completed it without SRF and did it second try, using a setup that you came up with yourself, then much credit to you because it's an admirable achievement and one to be proud of 👍

All the best
Maz
I'm still proud even if it took me like 50 tries... But the setup was my own:sly:
 
I'm glad they did these seasonal events, I, for one, have really enjoyed them and hope there are plenty more to come. I also found that with a good setup, this focus handles quite sweetly, especially for a front wheel drive car.

Must say I didn't find this one all that hard though, I did it second go, once I got an idea what gear settings and suspension tweaks were needed. I think the hardest one for me was the fiat 500 one!
 
I'm glad they did these seasonal events, I, for one, have really enjoyed them and hope there are plenty more to come. I also found that with a good setup, this focus handles quite sweetly, especially for a front wheel drive car.

Must say I didn't find this one all that hard though, I did it second go, once I got an idea what gear settings and suspension tweaks were needed. I think the hardest one for me was the fiat 500 one!

Second go without SRF?! Can't believe that.. Saying the Fiat 500 weas harder proves that..
 
Tip for understeer: avoid it.

Seriously... Try to find the max speed you can carry for the whole of each corner or group of corners, through the whole perfect racing line. Too much will mean the wall or burning the tires, having to slow down a lot to get in line. And screwing up the exit and the next straight speed. Too much entry speed will mean loosing time, as much or more than a slow in approach.

Manage to brake and slow to that exact speed on the outside (or other best trajectory for given corner) and use just enoug power to maintain that speed until the exit, and only then floor it. Burning your front tires through the corner (they turn red on the hud) will also reduce grip, thus cornering and exit speeds. You'll be surprised how faster you are by actually going (apparently) slower.

This car/track/(game?) combo demands you do so to achieve best times. If you try to go "rally style", which I like and wanted to do as well, could/should also work but the car will not do it properly, and you will loose time in every single corner.
 
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By the way, here's the exact setup I used for the Focus ST (I posted the last one by memory, there are some slight differences):

- Aero 0/5
- Shift gear @ 6000 rpm max.
- Top Speed 230 Km/h
- LSD 5/15/5
- Ride height -20/-20
- Spring rate 12.0/10.0
- Dampers (extension) 7/7
- Dampers (compression) 5/6
- Anti-roll bar 1/4
- Camber angle (-) 2.5/2.0
- Toe angle 0.00/-0.67
- Brake balance 3/10

Worked for me. Thanks!
 
Thanks Synwraith for the setup, finally beat this one today after at least 50 tries. No assists.
 
After trying since this seasonal came online i finally got the gold but i had to put skid recovery on. And even with it on i still only won by 1 sec.

I havent tried bonus 3 races yet but this one has been by far the toughest race for me. In all the other race i atleast would see an improvement in my performance one each attempt, eventually leading to a win. Not the same progression with this race, i quickly got to 2nd but ran into a wall that kept me between 2 and 4 seconds behind 1st.
 
After trying since this seasonal came online i finally got the gold but i had to put skid recovery on. And even with it on i still only won by 1 sec.

I havent tried bonus 3 races yet but this one has been by far the toughest race for me. In all the other race i atleast would see an improvement in my performance one each attempt, eventually leading to a win. Not the same progression with this race, i quickly got to 2nd but ran into a wall that kept me between 2 and 4 seconds behind 1st.

I have probably put 3 dozen tries into this event and still not even closer than seconds from first... it's definitely a hard one!
 
I must be playing a different game, I had 1st place halfway through the fourth lap.
 
I must be playing a different game, I had 1st place halfway through the fourth lap.

The limitations from all the races have now gone!? Trying to find a thread somewhere here to confirm this though.
 
There must have been restrictions because I beat it easily. I was in first place by the end of the 3rd lap.
 
There were pretty heavy restrictions. I remember I could get second place, but first was always really far away. Now all the Bonus Races are unrestricted and this made the older races a lot easier. I won by about 20 seconds on after it became unrestricted.
 
Guess the restictions were removed some time this week as i didnt realize till now after moving on to the next race that the restictions were removed.

I did it with my car restricted, guess all the time i spent trying to crack this race isnt a total loss then.

come to think of it its probably people like me spending so much time on challenges that got the restrictions removed
 
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all tuning restrictions have been removed for seasonal events new and old

some were quite difficult so i'm thankful to get the XP now :)
 
I actually found all of the seasonal races easier to gold than some of the special events which I have still not all golded yet.
 
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