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Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 6' started by CowboyAce57, Nov 3, 2014.
Any suggestions for week 47?
Ford GT Concept
Autobacs Garaiya '02
Opel Speedster '00
It's got Lotus Elise (it's pretty much a clone anyway) speed and handling without the typical MR suicidal tendencies.
And it's happy to kick its tail out if you ask it to.
About the Lexus....it's the queen of understeer.
I think it's (taken stock) actually the worst handling racecar of the game. In my 4 years of GT5/GT6 play, I never found a good match for it. It just won't turn
The ISF may not be the best car in its class, in fact I don't really know what class it for into. I am currently working on a tune at 500PP so I'll let you know if I come up with one. This week I've decided to go with a car that has been in the series for quite some time and is one that I quite like a lot. This week's forgotten car is.....
This 2-seater sports car, which shared it's body structure with the Elise, exhibited a solid driving feel.
Displacement: 2,200 cc
Max Power: 144 HP / 5,800 rpm
Max Torque: 149.7 ft-lb / - rpm
Drivetrain / Aspiration: MR / NA
Length: 149.2 in.
Width: 67.4 in.
Height: 43.8 in.
Weight: 850 kg
The Opel Speedster/Vauxhall VX220 '00 (thanks to @Drex124 for the suggestion)! I've driven this car in GT6 and it proved to be a real competitor on the track. I decided to include the VX220 since they a practically the same car. Plus it looks like PD may have updated these cars a little bit too.
The Opel Speedster is a British-built mid-engined, targa-topped, 2-seater sports carsold by the German automaker Opel, introduced in July 2000. It was built in both RHD & LHD versions, at the Lotus Cars plant in Hethel, Norfolk, England. It was sold as the Vauxhall VX220 in the United Kingdom and the Daewoo Speedster in the Asian market.
The turbo version was able to reach a top speed of 242 km/h (150 mph) and accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 4.7 seconds.
The car was hailed by the motoring press as a great drivers' car and won several accolades, including Top Gear's Car of the Year in 2003. The 2.2 NA (naturally aspirated) version was considered the easier drive of the two standard variants, and some journalists recommended that the Opel/Vauxhall car was better value for money than the Lotus (such as Jeremy Clarkson in his 2003 DVD (Shoot Out).
It's fast. 'nuff said.
In the suggestion forum I posted the very unknown Daewoo variant
At Mid-Field on the best Comfort tires money can buy, the difference between the N/A and turbo Speedsters amounted to a total of almost exactly 2 seconds.
1:24.994 - 423 - Opel Speedster Turbo '00
1:26.975 - 403 - Opel Speedster '00
The turbo gets by with 200 fewer cc's, yet it makes 54 more horsepower at the same peak 6,000 rpm as the naturally aspirated car, and 34 more ft-lbs of torque at just 2,000 rpm while the non-turbo makes its peak torque at 4,000 rpm. The only downside of the turbo is its weight, a massive 155 kg (342 lbs) more than the base model
The turbo reached a maximum speed of 128 mph on Mid-Field's front straight, which was 6 mph faster than the base car I tested.
How do some of the Elise's compare?
1:25.358 - 424 - Lotus Elise 111S '03
1:26.876 - 408 - Lotus Elise '96
1:27.328 - 409 - Lotus Elise Type 72 '01
1:28.224 - 411 - Lotus Elise '00
The base Speedster and Elise '96 are separated by only 1 tenth of a second.
And the NSX?
1:24.621 - 439 - Honda NSX '90
1:25.654 - 433 - Acura NSX '91
The Speedster Turbo is only 3 tenths slower than the mighty, original Honda NSX
Can we not talk about the suggestion forum over here?
The Speedster/VX220 proved to be as competitive as the Elise, probably due to the fact that they are both on the same platform. It drives like a comfortable MR car should and I would highly encourage you to try this car out for yourself. Who knows, maybe you'll like it better than the Elise.
This week I've picked a car that may seem to be a bit of a "rustbucket" to some of you. This week's forgotten car is.....
Toyota turned the mild-mannered Celica into a performance beast with this high powered 4WD machine.
Displacement: 1,998 cc
Max Power: 182 HP / 6,000 rpm
Max Torque: 177.2 ft-lb / 4,000 rpm
Drivetrain / Aspiration: 4WD / T
Length: 171.9 in.
Width: 66.5 in.
Height: 51.0 in.
Weight: 1,350 kg
The Toyota Celica 2000GT-FOUR (ST165) '86! I included a rally version just so you could have some nostalgia from GT2. I think this car is very overlooked because it looks dull and boring. I've brought this into a few lobbies and people ask me what car I'm in. I think it is one of the best sleeper cars in the game to be honest.
The Celica GT-Four concept started with aconvertibleprototype displayed at 1985 Tokyo Motor Show. The convertible never went into production, but the concept went to the liftback model which began production in October 1986. The ST165 GT-Four can be distinguished from the front-wheel-drive Celica by its front bumper, which has larger openings, and the "GT-Four" decals on the doors. Inside, the original GT-Four has a differential lock switch near the hand brake for the 1986 and 1987 model years.
The ST165 was not sold in North America before 1988 except for seventy-seven special-edition cars sold to commemorate Toyota's IMSA GTO championship win. These Celicas are all white with white wheels and blue interior and have "IMSA GTO CHAMPION" printed in small letters on the side moulding, as well as a white stripe on the grill. One car was sold at each of the 77 Toyota dealerships in California. They were sold in 1987 as 1988 models, and do have the viscous-coupling center differential.
The ST165 was the only car to be sold with the first version of Toyota's 3S-GTE. It developed 182-190 hp (depending on the market & model year) and 184 lb·ft (249 N·m) of torque.
Talking about the last weeks car, I went online to some quick clean races and saw 2 players who's using the VX200 and having a race on the midfield raceway. One guy finish in 2nd place, the other guy finished in near the last.
Good thing some players still driving cars like these.
This thread looks interesting. How about doing a review on the Ford Focus ST170 '03?
I'll keep that in mind
I'll just leave this here:
1:31.948 - 379 - Toyota Celica 2000GT-R (ST162) '86
1:32.109 - 388 - Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST165) '86
Those are my best lap times at Mid-Field Raceway, both on Comfort Soft tires. You may be wondering why the GT-Four isn't faster than its front-drive, naturally-aspirated sibling. Allow me to post the specs in the garage after purchase:
Toyota Celica 2000GT-R (ST162) '86
156 hp / 6,500 rpm
137 ft-lb / 4,500 rpm
1,130 kg (2,491 lbs)
Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST165) '86
182 hp / 6,000 rpm
177 ft-lb / 4,000 rpm
1,350 kg (2,976 lbs)
While the turbo adds 26 horses and 40 ft-lbs of torque, the car gains a massive 485 lbs.
On the front straight, both cars reach a maximum speed of 117 mph before stomping on the brake pedal. The benefits of 4WD and turbo did not give the performance version of the Celica a proper edge until the following generation.
However, here's something the GT-Four could do that the FF version could not:
Ooohhhh, nice pick for a Forgotten Car. I like the styling of the ST165 more than the ST185. And the 182hp engine combined with the 4WD drivetrain is a pretty neat and amazing combination for me. Plus, the ST165 has a special place for me (only my old GTP friends would know about it )
Might do some laps around Autumn Ring and will compare it to cars with same PP but different drivetrains. This should be fun.
The Celica is a cheap car that can work for a wide variety of races, from drifting to rallying. Plus, its one of those vehicles that makes a great sleeper for when you feel like you want people to underestimate you. This week I have chose a car that a bunch of you have probably seen in real life but surprisingly have not seen much in GT6. This week's forgotten car is.....
The i-VTEC engine gave the Type R of the seventh generation Civic improved power across all ranges.
Displacement: 1,998 cc
Max Power: 212 HP / 8,000 rpm
Max Torque: 148.9 ft-lb / 7,000 rpm
Drivetrain / Aspiration: FF / NA
Length: 162.8 in.
Width: 66.7 in.
Height: 56.3 in.
Weight: 1,190 kg
The Honda Civic Type R (EP) '04! I remember driving this in the Civic one make in GT4 and it proved to be great. It is a Type R so it should be a good one to drive in GT6, if it doesn't have too much understeer.
In 2001 Honda introduced the next generation of the Civic Type R (EP3) as a unique 3-door hatchback to the UK market, which was manufactured in Swindon, England. This EDM (European Domestic Market) Civic Type R featured a 200 PS (150 kW; 200 hp) 2.0L i-VTEC engine (K20A2) and the regular Type R treatment of seam welding, close ratio 6-speed transmission and uprated brakes, but did not include some of the other higher-end features, such as the helical LSD and red Recaro race-seats, that were standard in the previous generation EK9. However, Honda of Japan marketed a JDM (Japanese domestic market) version of the EP3 (which was exclusively manufactured in Swindon, UK and was shipped to Japan), which retained the highly renowned helical LSD similar to that of the EK9 and red Recaro race-seats.
2004 saw this successful CTR updated with many improvements - revised EPS with quicker steering, revised suspension settings, projector headlamps (JDM came equipped with halogens only while the EDM came with an option for HIDs with self-levelling motors), lighter clutch and flywheel assembly etc.; based on Honda literature, this facelifted (FL) model was targeted at addressing customers' and critics' feedback such as understeer on the limit (due to the front MacPherson strut setup), numb steering response and lack of low end torque.
The JDM EP3 Civic Type R is actually my favorite Civic of them all. It has the glorious K20A engine, shared with the DC5 Integra Type R, CL7 Accord Euro-R, and FD2 Civic Type R.
Stock specs after purchase:
214 hp / 8,000 rpm
149 ft-lb / 7,000 rpm
Tested at Mid-Field Raceway, stock on Comfort Softs:
^ Top speed reached - 127 mph in 5th gear.
It crosses the line at the same time as the SRT SRT4 '03
Here's how it compares with its nearest Honda brethren:
1:26.207 - 419 - Honda Integra Type R (DC5) '04
1:26.718 - 423 - Honda S2000 '06
1:26.816 - 433 - Honda Mugen Motul Civic Si '87
1:26.839 - 414 - Honda Civic Type R '08
1:26.994 - 414 - Honda Civic Type R (EP) '04
1:27.122 - 407 - Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '95
1:27.427 - 410 - Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '99
1:27.847 - 421 - Honda Accord Coupe EX '03
Is that you, SuzukaStar?
I own a US market EP3. Slow, but I like it. And we just did a FITT event recently with them and I got a couple DC scores of 10. Hardly forgotten.
Hi Cowboy! I had a suggestion for this thread: The Nissan GT-R Concept LM Race Car. This car is ungodly good but nobody touches it.
That AND the road car.
I owned an '04 Si before moving to Australia. My nephew has an '02. My mate has an '04 Type-R. I will never forget the EP. One of the best cars I have ever owned.
That Honda Civic Type R generation is actually the only TYPE R model i ever saw in my life and i quite like it. It's a shame that this and plenty of other cars are forgotten...
If i could suggest some cars then i'm thinking about:
1. Nissan mm-R Cup Car '01 / I rarely ever see one make cars in GT6 online nowadays.
2. NISMO Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99 / A car that i really loved and used back in GT4 days.
3. Nissan SKYLINE GTS-R (R31) '87 / While it might be not that much forgotten, the most times i ever saw that car online was in couple lobby's around my region...which i rarely ever join them...
4. Nissan R92CP '92 / It was really being used back in Gran Turismo 4, today? it's seems like it never even existed.
5. Nissan GT-R Concept (Tokyo Motor Show 2001) '01 / Those who played Gran Turismo Concept back then would remember this one.
The EP3 Civic made for a positive drive. Manageable understeer and that feeling that you are driving a Type R. Not overly expensive, so if you're looking for a car to pass the time with, check this car out. Well, we've made it to week 50! Before I go on about that, this week I've chosen a car that some people see and others don't, a car that I've seen tunes for, and a car that turns 50 years old this year. This week's forgotten car is.....
This highly collectable Mustang earned a great track record in SCCA ranking.
Displacement: 4,272 cc
Max Power: 305 HP / 6,000 rpm
Max Torque: 328.9 ft-lb / 4,200 rpm
Drivetrain / Aspiration: FR / NA
Length: 181.6 in.
Width: 68.2 in.
Height: 52.2 in.
Weight: 1,270 kg
The Shelby GT350 '65! I've driven this car and it proves that it can be a competitive racer.the interior and everything about this is truly classic, and it's a true shame that not too many people use it. Full stats coming shortly.
The 1965–1966 cars were the smallest and lightest of the GT 350 models. These cars are often called "Cobras", which was the Ford-powered AC-based two-seat sports car also produced by Shelby American during the same period. Both models use the Cobra emblem, similar paint scheme, and the optional "Cobra" valve covers on many GT350s that were part of a marketing tie-in by Shelby, as well as one of his iconic symbols. All 1965–66 cars featured the K-Code 271 hp (202 kW; 275 PS) 289 cu in (4.7 L), modified to produce 306 hp (228 kW; 310 PS). Marketing literature referred to this engine as the "Cobra hi-riser" due to its high-riser intake manifold. Beginning as a stock Mustang with a 4-speed manual and 9" live rear axle, the cars were shipped to Shelby American, where they received the high-riser manifolds, Tri-Y headers, and were given larger Ford Galaxierear drum brakes with metallic-linings and Kelsey-Hayes front disc brakes.
The 1965 and 1966 G.T. 350s were delivered from Ford's San Jose assembly plant in body in white form for modification by Carroll Shelby's operation, originally in Venice Beach and later at Los Angeles International Airport. San Jose cars carried an "R" in the Ford VIN denoting that facility. The only year that Shelby Mustangs from the 1960s came from another plant was 1968, where they came from New Jersey, "T" in the VIN, and were modified by A.O. Smith.
On a different note, I would like to open nominations for the Forgotten Car of the Year, which will be Week 53. You are allowed to choose ANY car that has been in any of the Gran Turismo games. If you have any nominations, please do not post them in this thread, start a conversation with me.
Ok it's not the GT350 but still...
For COTY I would like to suggest the Isuzu 4200R. It is a suprisingly well sorted car for a MR Concept.
Shelby GT350 '65
304 hp / 6,000 rpm
329 ft-lb / 4,000 rpm
1,270 kg (2,800 lbs)
Best lap at Mid-Field on Comfort Soft tires:
^ Top speed - 136 mph
Cars within 0.500 seconds of the Shelby GT350:
1:24.765 - 459 - Holden Monaro CV8 '04
1:24.775 - 470 - Chevrolet Corvette StingRay Racer Concept '59
1:24.784 - 460 - Chevrolet Camaro SS '00
1:24.804 - 448 - TVR V8S '91
1:24.815 - 452 - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version IV '97
1:24.831 - 426 - Mugen S2000 '00
1:24.853 - 455 - Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible (C3) '69
1:24.873 - 434 - Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac '01
1:24.902 - 434 - Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex (AE86 Shuichi Shigeno Version) '00
1:24.931 - 419 - Hyundai HCD-6 '01
1:24.939 - 456 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII GT-A '02
1:24.963 - 425 - Lotus Esprit Turbo HC '87
1:24.975 - 435 - Ford Focus RS '02
1:24.980 - 435 - Nissan Silvia 240RS (S110) '83
1:24.986 - 434 - Mazda Éfini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91
1:24.994 - 423 - Opel Speedster Turbo '00
1:25.028 - 433 - Pontiac Solstice Coupe Concept '02
1:25.080 - 450 - Chevrolet Camaro Z28 '69
1:25.108 - 427 - Renault Sport Clio V6 24V '00
1:25.126 - 450 - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version III '96
1:25.171 - 472 - Lotus Carlton '90
1:25.180 - 465 - Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) '69
1:25.191 - 455 - Honda Civic Type R (EK) Touring Car '97
1:25.228 - 454 - Shelby GT350 '65
1:25.310 - 449 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR '05
1:25.358 - 424 - Lotus Elise 111S '03
1:25.388 - 439 - Nissan Skyline Coupe 350GT '03
1:25.413 - 413 - Ferrari Dino 246 GT '71
1:25.420 - 435 - Volkswagen Scirocco R '10
1:25.433 - 455 - Shelby GT350R '65
1:25.446 - 463 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. '07
1:25.448 - 465 - Audi S4 '03
1:25.485 - 450 - Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT Type SP '06
1:25.523 - 445 - Mercedes-Benz SL 500 (R230) '02
1:25.530 - 456 - Tom's X540 Chaser '00
1:25.590 - 450 - Subaru Legacy B4 2.0GT Spec.B '03
1:25.611 - 456 - Chrysler 300C '05
1:25.623 - 442 - Honda CR-Z Touring Car
1:25.654 - 433 - Acura NSX '91
1:25.660 - 468 - Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe '04
1:25.662 - 441 - Nismo 270R '94
1:25.702 - 433 - Nissan Silvia Spec-R Aero (S15) '02
1:25.715 - 428 - Honda S2000 '99
1:25.723 - 447 - Subaru Legacy B4 2.0GT '03
It's faster than a modern Pontiac GTO 5.7L and not far behind the Chevrolet Camaro SS '00.
50 years later and it's as competitive as ever.
Is there gonna be a poll for the car of the year?