Formula 1 Magyar Nagydíj 2016

[SVT Cobra GT]

Someone's nursing a semi.

I laughed at that way harder than I should have.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I'm surprised Sky have no idea that a trip to the medical centre is mandatory when the G-force sensor is triggered.

Someone's nursing a semi.

You watch the video of him sliding through the corner and tell me that it isn't hilarious. It's how I imagine Colin McRae would have driven a Formula One car.

 

[DK]

I'm surprised Sky have no idea that a trip to the medical centre is mandatory when the G-force sensor is triggered.

That's Sky for you.

I watched the crash, the car seemed to have hit the Tecpro barrier perfectly sideways and according to the BBC was able to drive away.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

according to the BBC was able to drive away

He was, but he's out of the session. The car took quite a whack, and while he was able to get away "drive" is a generous way of putting it; it was more like a limp.

 

[Samus]

You watch the video of him sliding through the corner and tell me that it isn't hilarious. It's how I imagine Colin McRae would have driven a Formula One car.

No not really, i've seen hundreds of drivers spin in the exact same way, hitting the kerb/grass/whatever on the outside and pulling the car round.

 

[Bo]

Ricciardo's starting to show RBR's pace.

The car took quite a whack, and while he was able to get away "drive" is a generous way of putting it; it was more like a limp.

The alignment will probably have been tweaked.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If Mercedes need to change Rosberg's gearbox for this race they'll incur a 5-place grid penalty, or so they say. The rules aren't black and white but in this case it seems the penalty applies.

Exactly

Safer in the current technological climate, but does it get the cars towards the final aim of being simpler to make and manage? That's the whole point of the cuts to radio instructions, at the moment there are justifications for engineers instructing the drivers on how to manage the car and its failures. In my opinion they shouldn't be, if it goes bang then don't build it that way.

If the final aim is to create high-end tech that makes its way to being normal-tech on road cars then self-reliance needs to be developed as much as anything else.

No it doesn't make it at all more simple to produce, but that wasn't the fault of the teams in the first place. The just have to deal with it, it goes bang because the sport has tight regs and the goal of the sport is asking a ton from the teams. IT's never as simple as, "well stupid teams they shouldn't build such complicated cars", when considering how often they do work and how much more efficient they are and how much more useful tech has been turned toward road going tech...

Self-reliance is there, but this isn't a perfect world, things will still go because the demands in the period of time asked upon are much higher. Plus considering this and any other racing series where new high tech stuff is being used, would be considered R&D thus the place where things should be being going bust and being fixed. Rather than, not be turned into the opposite ideal of "nothing should ever go bust and have to be fixed".

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No not really, i've seen hundreds of drivers spin in the exact same way, hitting the kerb/grass/whatever on the outside and pulling the car round.

But have you seen them go through a corner with a handful of opposite lock?

The alignment will probably have been tweaked.

That's an understatement - the suspension geometry will be out for sure, and there's possible damage to the floor, gearbox, differential and driveshaft.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Did you see that KMag spin, it was damn hilarious, eh what you think @Samus ?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Did you see that KMag spin, it was damn hilarious, eh what you think @Samus ?

You're better than that. Or so I thought.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You're better than that. Or so I thought.

I thought the same about you for a while there, until you found every minuscule thing about Lewis to broadcast and show how much you despise the guy. A simple mistake that plenty have made this weekend suddenly is a joke to you but any other driver making a similar one isn't...

It's the fact that you continue to have this inane bias from GP thread to GP thread is what people would wish you'd stop

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

No it doesn't make it at all more simple to produce, but that wasn't the fault of the teams in the first place. The just have to deal with it, it goes bang because the sport has tight regs and the goal of the sport is asking a ton from the teams. IT's never as simple as, "well stupid teams they shouldn't build such complicated cars", when considering how often they do work and how much more efficient they are and how much more useful tech has been turned toward road going tech...

No one asked the team to have that much setting available to drivers. It was asked to team to provide a hybrid system, they decide it was better to build a rather complicate system with lots of mode so they can tweak the car according to lots of stuff and because back then they could tell whatever they wanted to drivers. Now they have to adapt and probably will make them a bit simplier or simply teach their drivers how to resolve the most common trouble.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Since this isn't the ideal thread for this I posted a response in the right thread.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

A simple mistake that plenty have made this weekend suddenly is a joke to you but any other driver making a similar one isn't...

Except that they're not similar at all. Hamilton went through the corner completely sideways like he was driving a rally car. And it was only really evident in one camera angle, with the camera mounted in the advertising board over the circuit - he entered the shot sideways, almost like he'd meant to do it that way. That's what I found funny; the sight of a Formula One car that looked more like a rally car. And I also made it pretty clear from the outset that that was what I found funny; you're the one who chose to misread it as my laughing at Hamilton's misfortune.

 

[Ryk]

Alonso and Button P7 and p8... they may be best aiming for P11 and P12 to get the rub on the tyres for the start of the race

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Except that they're not similar at all. Hamilton went through the corner completely sideways like he was driving a rally car. And it was only really evident in one camera angle, with the camera mounted in the advertising board over the circuit - he entered the shot sideways, almost like he'd meant to do it that way. That's what I found funny; the sight of a Formula One car that looked more like a rally car. And I also made it pretty clear from the outset that that was what I found funny; you're the one who chose to misread it as my laughing at Hamilton's misfortune.

I'm not the only one that saw it as your motives at work, again. Don't see the hilarity in him having a mistake or any other driver in these first two FP.

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

Except that they're not similar at all. Hamilton went through the corner completely sideways like he was driving a rally car. And it was only really evident in one camera angle, with the camera mounted in the advertising board over the circuit - he entered the shot sideways, almost like he'd meant to do it that way. That's what I found funny; the sight of a Formula One car that looked more like a rally car. And I also made it pretty clear from the outset that that was what I found funny; you're the one who chose to misread it as my laughing at Hamilton's misfortune.

To be fair, a lot of people who post in the GP threads would do the same.

I actually watched the video of him going sideways and didn't find it amusing, many F1 cars have gone off circuits in a similar fashion. Although I can see what you mean about Colin McRae trying to drift an F1 car, it's probably what he would have done for a laugh.

 

[Ryk]

McRae - Oddly in 1996 he tested a Jordan F1 car at a sunny Silverstone (Not the full track) - McRae was pretty fast but he did spin out - trying to see what would happen if he gunned the throttle early in a corner -

 

[Parker]

Except that they're not similar at all. Hamilton went through the corner completely sideways like he was driving a rally car. And it was only really evident in one camera angle, with the camera mounted in the advertising board over the circuit - he entered the shot sideways, almost like he'd meant to do it that way. That's what I found funny; the sight of a Formula One car that looked more like a rally car. And I also made it pretty clear from the outset that that was what I found funny; you're the one who chose to misread it as my laughing at Hamilton's misfortune.

Personally, I don't think anyone would've had an issue if you said it was funny because he looked like a rally driver taking the corner. Saying "the world's worst rally driver" is where you seem to have let your negative Hamilton bias slip in and as many people have already posted in many GP threads, that gets really old, really quick.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Saying "the world's worst rally driver" is where you seem to have let your negative Hamilton bias slip in

Very few rally drivers get out that wide, and for good reason - there's usually a tree in the way.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Most also have a reason to go wide, and have their car under control.

 

[Parker]

Very few rally drivers get out that wide, and for good reason - there's usually a tree in the way.

Even the very best make mistakes, I've seen plenty of rally champs crash, flip and roll their cars just as we've seen plenty of F1 champs screw up corners, get their wheels on grass and spin. If Rosberg had done the same thing, can you honestly say that you would've called him the worlds worst rally driver as well?

 

[twitcher]

I thought the same about you for a while there, until you found every minuscule thing about Lewis to broadcast and show how much you despise the guy. A simple mistake that plenty have made this weekend suddenly is a joke to you but any other driver making a similar one isn't...

It's the fact that you continue to have this inane bias from GP thread to GP thread is what people would wish you'd stop

That may be true, but there's a whole other group of people who wish you and your posse would stop trying to ridicule and pick apart any one of PM's comments, which turns every thread you guys are a part of into a repetative pissing contest.

Who the 🤬 cares if PM doesn't like Hamilton. Just let it go. Even if you see PM post something that you think is insane, resist the urge to comment on it....just let it go.

Every one of these F1 threads is bloody depressing because a small group of people can't get along just because they have different oppinions.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That may be true, but there's a whole other group of people who wish you and your posse would stop trying to ridicule and pick apart any one of PM's comments, which turns every thread you guys are a part of into a repetative pissing contest.

Must be quite small considering mods and several regular users have all questioned his motives, ideals and just general overall attempts to derail threads because of his animosity for a person he's never met.

Who the 🤬 cares if PM doesn't like Hamilton. Just let it go. Even if you see PM post something that you think is unsure, resist the urge to comment on it....just let it go.

Why because you say so? Rather it's probably best to ask him what he's getting at as it's a forum not a static blog.

Every one of these F1 threads is bloody depressing because a small group of people can't get along just because they have different oppinions.

Take your own advice then I suppose, the threads have been this way since I joined this site, five years ago. Hasn't changed. It's a sport many are passionate about and thus you get heated debates. And worse you get people who basically derail threads at times with unnecessary hate for a driver. If it was simply him not liking Lewis for this and that like many others then I'm sure people wouldn't care. But when he basically tries to force some idea that Lewis is the worst thing that F1 has spawned...that's a bit much.

 

[daan]

Must be quite small considering mods and several regular users have all questioned his motives, ideals and just general overall attempts to derail threads because of his animosity for a person he's never met.



Why because you say so? Rather it's probably best to ask him what he's getting at it's a forum not a static blog.



Take your own advice then I suppose, the threads have been this way since I joined this site, five years ago. Hasn't changed. It's a sport many are passionate about and thus you get heated debates. And worse you get people who basically derail threads at times with unnecessary hate for a driver. If it was simply him not liking Lewis for this and that like many others then I'm sure people wouldn't care. But when he basically tries to force some idea that Lewis is the worst thing that F1 has spawned...that's a bit much.

Well done on illustrating his point. 👍

 

[twitcher]

Must be quite small considering mods and several regular users have all questioned his motives, ideals and just general overall attempts to derail threads because of his animosity for a person he's never met.

Or maybe people just choose to not say anything because it's a waste of time. Doesn't mean that the threads constantly getting derailed by this exact kind of bickering isn't annoying. And who cares if the mods agree or disagree with him. They're just people with opinions like you and I, nothing more, nothing less. Unless PM is violating the AUP, a mod's opinion is just an opinion.

Take your own advice then I suppose, the threads have been this way since I joined this site, five years ago. Hasn't changed. It's a sport many are passionate about and thus you get heated debates. And worse you get people who basically derail threads at times with unnecessary hate for a driver. If it was simply him not liking Lewis for this and that like many others then I'm sure people wouldn't care. But when he basically tries to force some idea that Lewis is the worst thing that F1 has spawned...that's a bit much.

Right, so just because that's the way things have been, that's the way they should contine. No room for growth and progression here!

As for PM "forcing some idea", I have yet to see that. I see him expressing his opinion, and then a gang of people getting butt-hurt that his opinion doesn't match their own.

Look at the example in this thread. He points out something that Lewis did, has a small laugh about it, and you decide to take it as PM trying to push his "anti Hamilton agenda" and turn it into this big thing, instead of just letting it go.

You need to check yourself and take a look in the mirror. As anti-Hamilton as PM may be, you have become anti-PM in much the same manor. Hamilton can't do anything without PM commenting on it, and PM can't say anything without you turning it into a big thing.

At this point, do you really think you'll convince him to change his opinion?

If you haven't alreadt, you would do well to watch FP2 on Sky from the British GP. Skip to 6:35 remaining in the session, and have a listen to the conversation Croft and Davidson have.

Anyways, I'm moving on. I know you need the last word in everything, so have at it, I won't be responding.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If it was simply him not liking Lewis for this and that like many others then I'm sure people wouldn't care.

I know that I am in the absolute minority here. I know that I am unlikely to change hearts and minds. But I am not going to shut up simply because what I have to say is inconvenient for some people. I have seen forums - particularly Autosport and F1 Fanatic - where you cannot express unpopular opinions, even mildly. As soon as you deviate from the accepted community belief, you get banned for being disruptive. Be glad that GTP isn't run that way.

But when he basically tries to force some idea that Lewis is the worst thing that F1 has spawned...that's a bit much.

Is it?

Look at Nico Rosberg. He won seven races in a row, one of the best individual turn-arounds in the sport's history. The guy who looked like he was doomed to be second-best had put his head down and done the work, and not only came out a stronger driver for it, but looked like a genuine title contender on merit alone for the first time.

Did Rosberg receive any recognition for this? No - it was always framed in the context of Hamilton's title bid. It was never a case of "can Nico Rosberg win the World Championship?", but rather "what does Rosberg's newfound form mean for Hamilton's title hope?".

So please explain to me how that is good. Explain to me how the way drivers are denied their individual achievements because those achievements are a threat to one man is anything but absolutely terrible.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Look at Nico Rosberg. He won seven races in a row, one of the best individual turn-arounds in the sport's history. The guy who looked like he was doomed to be second-best had put his head down and done the work, and not only came out a stronger driver for it, but looked like a genuine title contender on merit alone for the first time.

Agreed.

Did Rosberg receive any recognition for this?

Yes, he did.

No - it was always framed in the context of Hamilton's title bid.

Two title bids; Rosberg won three at the end of Hamilton's WDC win in 2015 and won the first four as Hamilton came into 2016 as the defender. It wasn't always framed in that context but, when it often was, it was understandable. The same would be true of any team where "the other guy" was stringing such good results together. We may still see it with Verstappen/Ricciardio, of course. I'd venture to say that we're already seeing that beginning.

So please explain to me how that is good. Explain to me how the way drivers are denied their individual achievements because those achievements are a threat to one man is anything but absolutely terrible.

Given what I've just said I don't think it's either good or bad. I know you're stuck with the coverage of a British channel with its inevitable bias (especially given the endeavours of the cretinous Kravitz) but I do think your view is also coloured by your dislike of Hamilton.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I do think your view is also coloured by your dislike of Hamilton.

My dislike of Hamilton is framed by incidents like the above. When Hamilton is well within his rights to ignore team orders in one race, but expect them in another, what am I supposed to think?

 

[TenEightyOne]

When Hamilton is well within his rights to ignore team orders in one race, but expect them in another, what am I supposed to think?

That he pushes the envelope as hard as he (and other drivers) can? The "right" to ignore team orders comes from the team, the issue may well be how Mercedes are handling their drivers in public as opposed to what they do behind the scenes.