Formula Gran Turismo...READ thread, TUNE car, POST result

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Just over a week ago, I went with Jorday's very first tune for the championship. Since it wasn't a 1-off race, I was probably much more conservative than I needed to be, so still my other settings were:

TC: 5
Skid Recovery: on
ABS: 1

Overall, the entire championship was very doable with just the 1 tune.

On Fuji best lap was about 1:13.8, it's not a hard race with this tune.

Indy was probably the easiest race, the AI can't keep up through the section with all the hairpins.

On Cote d'Azur I adjusted the gearing to just over 300 kph (310 or so). The trick with Monaco mainly seems to be not to try and go too fast; no need to worry as the AI is slow here too, it's all about not getting stuck on a wall somewhere, the tune worked fine.

The Nurburgring GP circuit, gave me my first hard race. I still won, but it wasn't really because I was outright faster. Through some quirk, the AI seems to spin out at the last Chicane every other lap or so. The whole time the 2nd place guy was faster than I was, untill he would spin out again. The whole 1st part (epsecially the first corner after the 1st lap) and the chicane, I thought were pretty hard to do quickly. I also don't like this particular track much, it might could my judgment. It might help to loosen up on the ABS and increase the brake force to 5:1 a bit so you get a slight twitch to turn tighter as you brake, or to go for a very slightly more oversteery set-up if you feel you can manage to stay on track.

On Monza, I got lucky as it wasn't raining. One thing I did notice was that the AI cars would out-accelerate me at the start and sometimes on the straights. This was made even worse when I tried it with rain once. I think their gearing is probably shorter as they seem to bounce off the limiter around 360kph, but I think it's more than that. In the dry, you can still comfortably win with the basic tune, but a slightly more aggressive LSD set-up and/or less TC. In the rain, I could barely hold on to 8th place for a bit. Any more aggressive set-up may have seen me off the track a lot more, so not sure what would work best here. One thing I did note was that intermediates worked much better than rain tires as the latter really slow the car's reactions to a crawl. Forrtunately, you can cut the pretty much all the chicanes, which really does allow you to close the gap a fair bit.

Finally Suzuka, probably my favorite track in this championship. I think the tune is allmost perfect here, xcept for one thing, it's very easy to go off if you brake even just a little bit too late. This is especially true on the two right-angle corners, the following hairpin and the chicane at the end. Just a fraction too late will see you land in the gravel. So, I'd advocate a slightly more aggressive braking set-up that still allows good control (maybe 5:2, possibly ABS all the way off) Best lap was about 1:30.8 (in the dry)

Overall, I think Jorday has hit on a great all-purpose tune (that also seems to work pretty well on a Nascar btw) and it's certainly possible to win the whole championship with it, with the exception of races in the rain. Anybody got a good rain tune?
 
Guys, a note on the rain....

The GRIP REDUCTION setting is located in the same menu where you set your driving aids.

If the grip reduction is set to REDUCED, then you are to use the soft racing tires WHETHER IT IS RAINING OR NOT. If it's raining and you use the rain tires with the REDUCED grip reduction setting, then the thing where the AI cars leave you in the dust during acceleration will happen.

If grip reduction is set to REAL, then use rain tires if it's raining.


SS,

That tune looks good man, I'm going to give it a try.
 
SS_1182, your latest FGT setup suits perfectly for my driving.
Golded every race easily.

Hardest would have been Nurburgring for me (relative AI cars best lap time) but easy in fact, because AI cars are stupidly going outside track sometimes before the straight line thus loosing a lot of time.

Thanks a lot.

jorday, i will have a detailed look tomorrow to the menu (I have launched a BSpec endurance).
I never noticed this option but for sure (by default or because i use 'Real' in training tracks menu ?) i need Rain tires under rainy weather conditions.
 
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Just thought I'd leave a quick post here saying thanks to Jorday.

I'd only just recently got the formulagt and found it a bit of a handful. The back end would just slip out at certain turns, losing valuable time on the leaders. Before I saw your setup, a hard fought third place at fuji was my best result. I then saw your setup and gave it a shot, resulting in a dominant win at fuji and indianapolis. A disasterous 10th at monaco after a poor getaway and dropping to last on lap one after being forced into the barrier and ending up pointing in the wrong direction. I managed to fight my way back through the field and up to second by the last lap, where I spun trying to overtake through the swimming pool section and caused a multi car pileup at swimming pool 2.

To make matters worse, I then started the race at the nurburgring without editing my gear ratios. They were still on monaco ratios. A combination of good driving, dirty tactics (driving off line so my opponents didn't pick up the slipstream) and the AI repeatedly running wide on the exit of the second last corner saw me narrowly win the race(with my nearest championship rivals far down the order).

Onto monza where I was taken off by some bad driving from the AI who did an "Eddie Irvine" and moved out and hit me while I was trying to overtake him. The AI tried to overtake the car in first place whilst I was overtaking him in the rundown to turn 1 causing the two of us to spin off and the car in 1st place got off to a huge lead. I eventually caught up after several perfect laps and took the win. Again, my nearest championship rivals finished in a bad position and I already had enough of a point advantage to have the championship in the bag. Then, after two hours and twenty minutes of racing, I decided to retire from the championship before suzuka... I'll get round to it eventually, but I was hungry and had won the championship anyway.

So, thanks to Jorday for your awesome setup and my new Ferrari 330 P4 for finally clearing the last championship in extreme events.
Dude I laughed so hard when you said he did and "Eddie Irvine"
 
Thanks man, yeah I remember back when I could only get near 6:00 in the FGT. I've ran that course so many times now though (this is my first GT game). You have to memorize it and know where you can and can't punch it.

Anyway, I started with the F2007 last night. Not as fast in top speed compared to the FGT, but the acceleration and cornering speeds are insane. I pulled a 5:16, and that was after running off the road and having to slow down to keep it together. I'd imagine a perfect run for me in that car will come close to 5:10. Can't wait to try the F10 after this one, man I love Nordschleife!

If I get a good run in the F2007 I'll save the replay. That car just will not lose it's grip under cornering acceleration. It's almost like driving a slower X1 at times.
Awesome time man, I would never even get close to a time like that!

But I was just wondering do you notice the F2007 and F10 are ridiculously easier to drive without any driving aids in comparison to the FGT. Just today, I was running some hot laps on the High speed ring and the level of difference in the aerodynamic grip is huge! In the FGT I found myself having to be much more careful on the throttle through turns.Mainly the twisty middle section after the bridge and I was also required to slow down much more into turn 2 then in the Ferrari f1 cars. With little tweaking, the Ferrari F1 cars were putting out lap times almost identical to that of the FGT and I could drive them with almost little or no risk of spinning out. But from a reality point of view this doesn't make much sense to me. I follow F1 and you will find that almost all of the fastest lap times were set in 2004 by M.Schumacher and if not him in a 2004 car. I'm not sure but personally think that the the FGT is modelled on a 2002 or 2003 car (correct me if I'm wrong) it's hard to tell. I was only 8-9 and all I knew was that f1 cars were fast and I liked Ferraris :) So in theory the FGT should be then at least faster then the f10. Despite huge aerodynamic advances, the current model of cars are more restricted and in essence are only slightly better aerodynamically.The FGT is carrying an extra 2010 bhp and is revving higher for crying out loud!
 
Awesome time man, I would never even get close to a time like that!

But I was just wondering do you notice the F2007 and F10 are ridiculously easier to drive without any driving aids in comparison to the FGT. Just today, I was running some hot laps on the High speed ring and the level of difference in the aerodynamic grip is huge! In the FGT I found myself having to be much more careful on the throttle through turns.Mainly the twisty middle section after the bridge and I was also required to slow down much more into turn 2 then in the Ferrari f1 cars. With little tweaking, the Ferrari F1 cars were putting out lap times almost identical to that of the FGT and I could drive them with almost little or no risk of spinning out. But from a reality point of view this doesn't make much sense to me. I follow F1 and you will find that almost all of the fastest lap times were set in 2004 by M.Schumacher and if not him in a 2004 car. I'm not sure but personally think that the the FGT is modelled on a 2002 or 2003 car (correct me if I'm wrong) it's hard to tell. I was only 8-9 and all I knew was that f1 cars were fast and I liked Ferraris :) So in theory the FGT should be then at least faster then the f10. Despite huge aerodynamic advances, the current model of cars are more restricted and in essence are only slightly better aerodynamically.The FGT is carrying an extra 2010 bhp and is revving higher for crying out loud!




Yeah I do think the Formula GT requires more care and precision to drive, especially compared to the F2007. Those Ferrari F1's have downforces up to 150 in front AND back I believe! But like I said, they also come stock with -0.50/+0.50 toe settings and camber of something like -3.5/-1.5. I'm going to set one of my FGT's up like that and see what happens. But yeah, I was pushing the Formula GT a bit to get the 5:14 on Nord. I could probably get closer to 5:10 with a perfect run, but I was pretty sloppy in the F2007 and still pulled 5:16, and it's speed/acceleration are lower than the FGT. It just shreds corners in comparison though.
 
What's the cure for the rear end coming around while braking while turning? I know it has something to do with the LSD. I've seen people using 15 on braking and people using the other end of the spectrum. Do I want higher numbers for stability or lower numbers? I'm using the 4/1 settings with ABS anywhere from 5 - 10. I'm usually a late braker using the driving line.

Any braking zone that is not straight line braking is brutal! If I can get the car stable here, I can concentrate on better lines.
 
To Jorday and SS_1182,
It's my first post and I just want to thank you both for your FGT tuning posts. I for one am not a terrible driver but the F1 machines in this game are just a handful? I can handle them insanely well in the older GT series or even F1 2010 but they are just so squirrelly. Maybe it's because I'm using the DS3 and there is little room for error but damn it sure can be frustrating.

I haven't done the Formula GT race yet because I'm still trying to nail those specific times on each track. I've spent the last 4 days memorizing each and every one. I am having the hardest time at Fuji (yep, last few turns before the straight) as one F1 machine just PULLS away? Tomorrow, hopefully I'll have them nailed in and shut. I'll post my final tune as well; I'm beat and the wife and baby are sleeping.

In short I ended up with a pretty aggressive tune made for high speed cornering. Jorday's LSD settings helped greatly. The base FGT seems to lack fast, stable direction changes during high speed corners yet suffered sever understeer. On top of that the machine has terrible turning in characteristics but with the LSD settings it rotates much better with a slight flick of the right analog stick.

Thanks again guys...
 
Uuuuuuuuuh Finally, I'm done, thanks to the tune in the OP.
Won all of them, except Suzuka which I skipped, because it rained, and I just did Monza in the rain... My righthand pinky and ringvinger couldn't do another 45 minutes of firmly gripping the DS3... If it isn't longer.

And then the price, that was a bummer, already had that Seven.
And then came the Lvl 21 ticket, a Tvr Speed 12. Nr 3. doh. that sucks.

BUT I AM DONE!!! WOOHOO
 
I just wanted to say thank you for a setup thats fits me perfectly. I had the same results as you on fuji and indy. Gold on everything except Cote d' Azur where i finished silver and the loss was my fault. (a little anxious to win) The only things you didnt mention that i did was: Tires = soft
Traction Control = 1
Skid Recovery Force = on
Active Steering = strong
ASM = on
ABS = 3
Thanks again for really helpful info.
 
I finally won with the settings in Post #1. I had TCS=5 and ABS=1. The other thing to keep in mind was to be extremely gentle with the throttle and brake. Extreme braking was causing weight shift that will lead to spinning out when you get on the gas quickly. Just keep cool and even braking in advance is not a bad thing. Heck, I think braking is the key to winning this series.
 
Whew, the FGT cup is a damn adrenaline rush. By far the most fun (and frustration) that I've had with this game. I'm currently paused after three races. I'm not the best driver at all, but have been doing fairly well so far with the OP's tune.

Race 1: Led most of the race, lost the lead a few times but was able to gain it back quickly. Got up to a 3 second lead and then spun out in the 18th lap. Was down 3 seconds and couldn't make it up in the last few laps. Literally about lost it knowing I had blown the gold. Result: 2nd

Race 2: Indy Road Course. Extremely easy. Led by between 3-7 seconds the whole race. For whatever reason, the A.I. is just retarded here and brakes when it shouldn't. Result:1st

Race 3: Cote D'Azur. Struggled a lot. Started out second which was a bad omen. At this course, getting an early lead is important so you can block them out. I just never could compete with the top guy. He got a huge lead and I slowed worked him down. Caught up to him with about 7 laps left and then smacked a wall..hard and got passed. Was so close, but couldn't catch him. Result: 3rd

I'm taking a break to get the adrenaline under control. Any advice for the last three? I'm tied for the lead with 135 points. Do I have a chance down the stretch?
 
This Championship series has me convinced that I suck...although this set up has me placing the best on Fuji (3rd place)

It causes me to rage quit though...lol...I always make some critical mistake on some early lap and then they whip by me and I can never get back near them, no matter has perfect I drive...
 
I'm taking a break to get the adrenaline under control. Any advice for the last three? I'm tied for the lead with 135 points. Do I have a chance down the stretch?

Short answer to my own question: No.

At Nurburgring the leader spun out as I was about to take the lead. I t-bone leader, started to pass him, was slammed by a car and spun out of control. Went from 1st to 12th and 8 seconds off the lead. Was so pissed I roid raged, sent my DS3 on a vacation across the room, and chipped a tooth. 👎
 
Hang in there! The thing with Nurburgring is that the AI keeps spinning out at the chicane before the finish line. Even if I lost the first spot, I got it back within a couple of laps. Also, since the AI drivers keeps spinning out, the regular leaders in the standings may not finish around the top. So, you can open up a larger gap in the overall standings.

For monza and suzuka - use soft tires if it's raining. And make sure you don't punch on the gas around turns. Be very careful otherwise you will keep spinning out. Only punch it on straights. The AI drives super conservative in rain, and even when they get rain tires, they still aren't fast enough to catch you. Other than Indy Road Course, I found the last 2 to be the easiest mainly due to the rain.
 
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Yes,Fantastic! with a few tweaks
suspension height -7 -7
spring 17.5 17.7 What i did is mix and match to MY likeing these sets:idea:👍 Oh i use TCS = 1 ABS =10 cause im not good:) Online i get owned.
 
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@ jorday

Just wanted to say a big thanks for all the hard work you are doing with the FGT setup. I have used the Setup in post #1 and it works a treat have been having trouble with the Formula GT event at the nurburg GP track but finished 1st and lead from the first corner to the finish.

Thanks again and keep up the good work.
 
Great tune jorday (post #1), thanks for posting - knocked about 3 secs off my lap times with this!

I'm intrigued as to how it actually reduces the back end kicking out though - compared to another tune I've used it seems like it would suffer from more oversteer (rear toe-out, firmer springs at the rear etc.). It would be good to have someone more knowledgeable explain why it works (I'm new to tuning!).
 
Yeah i don't understand stiffer front springs on a formula. It seems the -toe settings are only for the formula. I am sure glad i seen this Thread. I just might win Gold in the formula event. btw the car does not keep full HP. This little beast is hard on engines and oil. Did everyone else rebuild your engines? rain tires? which race? they don't grip better on dry track do they then soft?
 
This works at Suzuka East:

Transmission 360km/h
LSD 15/20/15 (init/acc/brake)
Suspension Height -5/0 (F/R)
Spring 16.4/17.5 (F/R)
Damp. Ext. 6/8 (F/R)
Damp. Comp 5/7 (F/R)
Anti-Roll 5/7 (F/R)
Camber -2.5/-1.5 (F/R)
Toe 0.00/0.20 (F/R)

Best Lap 0:38:XXX
 
I am using the #1 Post Tune on the Gran Turismo Formula Car.
downforce max/max
diff 15/20/15
ride height -5/0
spring rate 16.4/17.5
damper ext 6/8
damper comp 5/7
anti roll 5/7
camber -2.5/-1.5
toe -0.25/-0.15
trans 249
brakes 4/1

I cant seem to win the Nurinburgring in the Gran Turismo ALL STARS. Hard time staying on the road and hit just a little grass and you are all over the road. What times are you using? In of the assists or ABS stuff on/off? Any help would be appreciated.
 
Seeing as Bob has difficulty even when he's in something with twice the power of the AI, I dreaded running the B-spec Formula GT. Still, I found this thread and thought I'd give it a try, and I'm glad I did!

Bob was a full 5 seconds per lap faster than the best AI on almost all the tracks, even when I dozed off and let him slip from maintaining the pace. He lapped the back markers every time, on most tracks he lapped the field once, and on a couple he lapped them twice! The only time he let me down was when he decided to pit for no good reason at the end of lap 36 in a 37 lap race... :ouch: Spun out a couple of times on Nurburgring as well, but I was pushing him very hard - unnecessarily, as it turned out.

Comparing my race times to those in the GT5 Matrix, Bob was between 1 and 4 minutes faster than expected. He was overtaking on the inside and outside of turns, outbraking and outsteering everyone. When I next have the spare time, I'll be taking the car out myself for the A-spec version of the race, and I'll report on that in the future.
 
Im a 44 year old dad who brought his son a PS3 with GT5 and a wheel this Christmas,only to find out that he was not interested in driving games! So i had a go,now i spend nearly all my spear time on GT5,im hooked on 1 course,Nurburgring,my first effects with the FGT on Nurburgring were really poor times of over 8 mins.My times were comming down slowly,to around 7.30mins,then i found Jorday tune,on my first day i got my time under 7mins.Ive been using Jorday's tune now for ten days,today i smashed my record on Nurburgring with an amazing time for me of 5.52.445. So thanks again Jorday dont think i would of got that time without your tune!
 
My B-spec driver even likes the set up, not as far as a human could get ahead but still. The only rrace he lost was the indy race and that was a manager error
 
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