Frek, I still can't drift!

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ok, here's the story. I played gt3 for years and spent 100's of hours drifting. Loved that game to death. So gt4 comes out and I buy it immediatly. about 4 months ago I start trying to drift I only use super soft racing tires because I like the feel of a high speed drift, low speed drifts seem boring to me and the car feels to sluggish. Well for 3 months I tried hard as hell to actualy get the hang of it and was'nt able to get a good drift in with out whipping the car and I was'nt able to hold drifts through the entire turns. I came on here and people say just to keep it steady the more aggressive your motions are the less smooth your drift will be and I'm trying really hard to keep it smooth. So I figure you know what fug it I can't drift with out a gt4 wheel so last week I went out and bought the gt4 force feedback wheel just so I could drift. :guilty: still no such luck. I find that I'm fighting the wheel so much, I can't bring it back 900 deg to pull out from the car whipping, I used to be able to recover with the game pad but now things are worse. Do I feather the throttle? someone give me a good technique. I feel like selling the wheel :sick:

Cars I try to drift in
cobra modded to hills with super softs
skyline r34 modded to hills with super softs
supra rz mkiv modded to hills with super softs
treuno 86 modded to hills with super softs
 
Um, how are you gonna drift with the stickyest tyres in the game? Seriously, Try N or S tyres, you'll get sideways more easily and it'll be easier to control.
 
filude
ok, here's the story. I played gt3 for years and spent 100's of hours drifting. Loved that game to death. So gt4 comes out and I buy it immediatly. about 4 months ago I start trying to drift I only use super soft racing tires because I like the feel of a high speed drift, low speed drifts seem boring to me and the car feels to sluggish. Well for 3 months I tried hard as hell to actualy get the hang of it and was'nt able to get a good drift in with out whipping the car and I was'nt able to hold drifts through the entire turns. I came on here and people say just to keep it steady the more aggressive your motions are the less smooth your drift will be and I'm trying really hard to keep it smooth. So I figure you know what fug it I can't drift with out a gt4 wheel so last week I went out and bought the gt4 force feedback wheel just so I could drift. :guilty: still no such luck. I find that I'm fighting the wheel so much, I can't bring it back 900 deg to pull out from the car whipping, I used to be able to recover with the game pad but now things are worse. Do I feather the throttle? someone give me a good technique. I feel like selling the wheel :sick:

Cars I try to drift in
cobra modded to hills with super softs
skyline r34 modded to hills with super softs
supra rz mkiv modded to hills with super softs
treuno 86 modded to hills with super softs
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Well for starters, you say you like the high speed feel of the game when you use RSS tyres. You will be going significantly slower when drifting so there is no need for that amount of grip.

I recently got a DFP too and i was terrable at drifting using it "i like to think im pretty good using the DS2" so the way i found which helped me alot to get back on the drifting path was to get a Ruf Yellowbird! HEAR ME OUT FIRST!!

Equip it with S3 tyres, all tracktion controls off and take it to el capitan. its a very nice balance of car, track and speed. I think so anyway! Then when you feel you have gotten to grips with the DFP then take the tyres down to S2's drive again and then when you feel comprtable with them go down to S1's and so on.

Or Buy a 91 FD RX7 (thanks Swift for bringing this car as a drifting tool to my attention). This car is great to drive and learn the basics in even in standard form! just turn all the driving assistants off and slap on some n2/3 tyres and your all set. Its quite forgiving and if once you feel you have mastered it Maybe upgrade the clutch and flywheel to get the most out of the power.

Just remember though, your not going to become a drift god overnight and i have had my DFP for over a month now and im still on the incredibly steep learning curve!

Stick with it and the rewards are great!

Good Luck
 
don't give up on the wheel it take a while to get used to...
as for your tire selection...If you like high speed drifts try road tires..
hint with the wheel....less is better. 💡
 
To me, drifting on softs can be compared to skating on superglue... I'd go for harder tires, FR layout and power oversteer for now...

General technique tips:
Once you start slipping, you need to watch the throttle and countersteer, fighting the feedback of the wheel.

It takes a bit getting used to that feedback but in the end it'll help you A LOT.

Too much throttle and not enough countersteer will make you spin out, so feather it until you find the limits for each car/turn.
 
I have a car that can drift with super soft pretty well, but it's just for race drifting and doesn't really emulate real life. for my regular drifting cars I use sports tires, which I suggest you use because they give it a less slippy feel, but still alow you to slide enough. A goo way to drift is to just brake a bit, turn in, and shift down whiel you turn. You need to press the brakes all the way right before turn though. If that doesn't do it, then feint a little before the turn.
 
*@#&(!$ Christ All I do is whip back or loose my drift. I can't hit one corner right. I try to do it smooth but I loose my line I can't @$%!($ tell what direction my wheels are pointed in I've been practicing all morning and havent hit a single corner well with multiple cars.

91 FD n2 tires stock and modded I cannot control it

I cannot control any car. I'm trying with the wheel sitting in the middle of the screen. **** I'm about to smash the **** out of my ps2. I just wasted an entire god@m day on this bs
 
try this
http://gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1974723&postcount=838
if not that, get an awd car and use the ebrake to drift. It's not something you should be doing a lot when you get better, but when you begin if you ebrake, you can get into the turn easily and with awd its easyto maintian the drift. Basically you get a good feel for the car middrift and how to countersteer it. once you get to an fr car its more about throttle control. But all the time you have to remember to point your wheels inthe direction you want to go. It may be easier with a ds2, I dont know, but thats what I started with and am still using.

oh, and dont use tons of different cars. Stick with one adn practice with it. But make sure it can actually drift, like not massssive oversteer or understeer.
 
filude
*@#&(!$ Christ All I do is whip back or loose my drift. I can't hit one corner right. I try to do it smooth but I loose my line I can't @$%!($ tell what direction my wheels are pointed in I've been practicing all morning and havent hit a single corner well with multiple cars.

91 FD n2 tires stock and modded I cannot control it

I cannot control any car. I'm trying with the wheel sitting in the middle of the screen. **** I'm about to smash the **** out of my ps2. I just wasted an entire god@m day on this bs
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You need to relax.

Second, get the steering wheel out of your way during driving. It can be very distracting.

Third, go through the drivers license tests, especially those that involve lots of corners, with your wheel to get used to how it feels.

Fouth, go check out FBI's videos. Drifting for pro should really hlep you see how to move the wheel while counter steering.

Now, if you're not getting any angle or always snapping back immedieatly. Then you're counter steering TOO EARLY. There's a very small moment in time when you have to be neutral with the wheel and let the rear end come out. Then counter steer to keep the car from spinning completely.

Just take the stock 91 FD RS go to trial mountain or Deep forest and just go for it. It'll only take one decent drift for you to understand what we've been saying here.
 
swift pretty much summed it up.
if your still having problems, go to the gymkhana course and mess around. its great because its like a small parking lot that you can try things in.
get a drift going there, and keep doing it, then try it on the track.
 
It took me a week of practice to be able to drift a modified car. Or a low grip GOOD stock car. Start out with something easy, like a miata or rx-8 or something, and drive it around a familliar track like Trial Mountain till you can get the feel for it, then start sliding some turns, just keep progressing. It took me 3 months of practice but I'm about as good as FBI Mike now. Anyone could be if they just keep at it and don't get upset. Getting angry makes you drive stupid, which makes you angrier, which makes you drive stupider, etc, etc, etc.........you get the picture. If you get mad, just leave the room for a few and cool off. That is the biggest improvement you can make in your drifting.

Hell, you could grab a car with an open diff to make the snap overcorrection go away so you can learn the feel for it w/o getting mad at spinning from the snap all the time. The '83 300zx comes with an open diff.
 
alright guys good advice.. I just took yellowbird to trial mountain and raced around for 4 hours. I'd say I got 2 good drifts in but I went back to the pad.

Lol I was just sitting there and I looked at the clock and it was 2pm, looked down and I'm still wearing my pajamas. my plate of eggo waffles on my left on the couch. Thinking to myself how did I get worse at drifting after 6 hours of practice. Sink full of dirty dishes and trash still has'nt been taken out. I've done nothing today but get worse at drifting. I just could'nt beleive this game had gotten the best of me. :mad:

I will keep at it though I feel it's easier to drift with the pad than the wheel so if anyone wants to buy it its got about 10 hours of play on it comes in orig box. I'll let it go for 75$ + shipping
 
N35QU1K
GET ECONOMY TIRES (PREFERABLY N2) Suspension stiff in the rear, soft in the front, yada yada yada.
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[insert foghorn sound]
WRONG!

it's widely agreed upon both here and in the settings and tuning forum that the solution you presented will generally do nothing but create terminal understeer at corner entry. Welcome to GT4, you can toss your physics scribblers out the window.

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lol, sorry bout that. definitely time to get some sleep.
 
Boundary Layer
[insert foghorn sound]
WRONG!

it's widely agreed upon both here and in the settings and tuning forum that the solution you presented will generally do nothing but create terminal understeer at corner entry. Welcome to GT4, you can toss your physics scribblers out the window.

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lol, sorry bout that. definitely time to get some sleep.
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Not entirely wrong. That's how I set my cars up. Then again often times I'll use weight balance to correct understeer/oversteer.
 
my 2cents,

I have a DFP. I'm not the greatest drifter and naturally, with a tv dinner table for a wheel stand its hard to drift when your trying to cut the wheel quickly. I am alot better on the DS2 and most likely everyone should since its alot easier. One thing i do is when i use the SS Trueno, i put on medium sport tires and i still slip like a mofo but its alot easier to control imo. Also try using an awd car with most of the power thrown to the back, the 22B is easy as hell to drift with 10%front90%rear or an Evo6.5, but thats just my opinion :)

filude
alright guys good advice.. I just took yellowbird to trial mountain and raced around for 4 hours. I'd say I got 2 good drifts in but I went back to the pad.

Lol I was just sitting there and I looked at the clock and it was 2pm, looked down and I'm still wearing my pajamas. my plate of eggo waffles on my left on the couch. Thinking to myself how did I get worse at drifting after 6 hours of practice. Sink full of dirty dishes and trash still has'nt been taken out. I've done nothing today but get worse at drifting. I just could'nt beleive this game had gotten the best of me. :mad:

I will keep at it though I feel it's easier to drift with the pad than the wheel so if anyone wants to buy it its got about 10 hours of play on it comes in orig box. I'll let it go for 75$ + shipping
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Naturally bro, your body starts to get tired and your response time isn't as quick. I don't know how long you normally play video games but for everyone its differnent. I'm an addict so for me, my gaming abilities start to suck after about 10-12 hours and thats for the DS2. If i play gt4, i play and after about 30 minutes im warmed up and im at my prime...5-6 hours after dude, forget it lol my line is SOOOOO off from the ideal line lol.
 
well. i watched a bunch of videos before trying to drift. i think you should be patient and only play for an hour and a half or something. It's really a good idea to learn how to drvie with grip on gt4 first though.
 
hideyourface
well. i watched a bunch of videos before trying to drift. i think you should be patient and only play for an hour and a half or something. It's really a good idea to learn how to drvie with grip on gt4 first though.
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That would be a good idea!
 
Well, I guess I have to continue asking in this post.
Fisrt, what the **** is grip drifting. those are 2 completly different things, grip driving and drifting.
also, what about the 350z as a FR drifter to start?
I like my skyline the way it is set up, it's easy to brake drift (what I do most), and almost finishes the drift alone (I don't countersteer, actually I have to keep steering into the corner to hold long drifts (like the U-turn after the S-es in apricot hill).
I'm thinking of going FR to get the feel of a "REAL" drifter (I mean just the FR group of cars).
I have the HKS Silvia, but what about the 350z?
 
Grip drifting isn't anything I've ever heard of... doesn't sound very effective anyway lol

The 350z is a bit more understeery and harder to set up right than the Silvias and RX7s, so I can't really recommend it for a complete newcomer... But if you can get it sideways fine, then by all means.

The D1 cars, including the HKS is a bit of a handful if you ask me, too easy to get sideways and very responsive and snappy if pushed.

My bet's still with the Amuse S2000 R1, Silvia/270R or FD RX-7 (used, not new) for starters since they don't require any suspension or lsd tuning to drift fine. When the car is good, you know it all comes down to technique.. and you don't have to worry about whether it's you or the car ;)
 
Just so you all know, nismo4life was joking. Hence the smiley.
 
Swift
Just so you all know, nismo4life was joking. Hence the smiley.
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:)

But back on topic, i drift when i race quite often and i usually race with Sport Mediums, good traction yet i can bust out the rear end on command(make sure you turn driving aids off).

Now, this is my own personal opinion.

I've noticed that a few cars are easier to drive than others, some being the Lotus Elise 111R, 98 VR-4, and the M3.

Lotus Elise 111R-I first tried this car on a round of drifting online and i must say, the car bone stock with N1's will NEVER spin, but at any time you give it a little feint and wham! I love it because its so light, quick yet it makes an awesome drifter for beginners ontop of go kart like racer :)

1998 Mitsu 3000GT VR-4-Okay now this car truely is a boat, lol. Again this is another car you can drift without doing any mods aside from an oil change and N2's. I love using this because you have so much weight you can throw around a turn. I find it easy to use when matched with the DFP and alot of fun as well.

2002 E46 BMW M3-This car needs no introduction. While not the easiest of the bunch its not the most difficult car to make pretty drifts with :). Since it is a FR layout, and has really good balance, this is another car you don't need to touch other than tires. The engine response is great, the handling is great, the car overall is amazing and while i personally didnt spring for the extra cash on the CSL, the M3 seems to be fun enough.

If you want, you can IM me on aim. Midnightxsoldier is my sn. Last night i was taking a few pictures and I started to notice how easy it was to powerslide my 22B, just hit me up and i can give you a few pointers on settings and stuff, don't be a stranger now ;)

-Rod
 
Thats what I did. I would watch all the videos on Gtplanet.net. Then I read up on real life drifting at Drifting.com Now Im prob. top 10 or 15 at Gtplanet for drifting.. DAMN TANK! Ill beat you!! TIE BREAKER!!!
-TD
 
ToyotaDrifter
Thats what I did. I would watch all the videos on Gtplanet.net. Then I read up on real life drifting at Drifting.com Now Im prob. top 10 or 15 at Gtplanet for drifting.. DAMN TANK! Ill beat you!! TIE BREAKER!!!
-TD
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:rolleyes:

hehe. Ya, I wouldn't doubt it. I'm not expecting myself to put up a strong run, to be honest.
oh, wait, I'm getting us back off topic.
 
filude
ok, here's the story. I played gt3 for years and spent 100's of hours drifting. Loved that game to death. So gt4 comes out and I buy it immediatly. about 4 months ago I start trying to drift I only use super soft racing tires because I like the feel of a high speed drift, low speed drifts seem boring to me and the car feels to sluggish. Well for 3 months I tried hard as hell to actualy get the hang of it and was'nt able to get a good drift in with out whipping the car and I was'nt able to hold drifts through the entire turns. I came on here and people say just to keep it steady the more aggressive your motions are the less smooth your drift will be and I'm trying really hard to keep it smooth. So I figure you know what fug it I can't drift with out a gt4 wheel so last week I went out and bought the gt4 force feedback wheel just so I could drift. :guilty: still no such luck. I find that I'm fighting the wheel so much, I can't bring it back 900 deg to pull out from the car whipping, I used to be able to recover with the game pad but now things are worse. Do I feather the throttle? someone give me a good technique. I feel like selling the wheel :sick:

Cars I try to drift in
cobra modded to hills with super softs
skyline r34 modded to hills with super softs
supra rz mkiv modded to hills with super softs
treuno 86 modded to hills with super softs
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OK everyone on here should have gave this person %^&( from the start you bought a dfp for drifting omg what a waste of money and i have one but its not for drifting (altho i do use it for that from time to time its more fun to use the ps2 controler less thinking and you dont have to fork out cash on something you already should have unlike the dfp altho it is a great buy for gt4)dfp is for making the gameplay more life-like not for drifting FBI just made a good thing better:tup: by the way great vids hope to have one of my own soon and i wont use the dfp just to show what is capable with the good old ps2 controler :sly:
 

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