Fuel measured in what units?

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MustangRacer
I agree. That is the only possible explanation of why every car is 80 units..

No it's not. This theory gives PD way too much credit. You're essentially saying that GT4 knows the capacity of every car's fuel tank, and it knows the fuel efficiency of every car, but they have decided it's too much trouble to display it correctly so instead they throw this "80" number around.

More than likely the tank size is based on an 80L capacity. PD simply didn't bother finding the exact capacity of every fuel tank. If they had gone to the bother of collecting the data, it would be absurdly simple for them to display it on the screen. That is, if the software knew which cars had a 10 gallon tank and which ones had a 20 gallon tank, it would say it. It obviously doesn't know, so every car has an 80 "unit" tank. They don't want to say it's 80L, because that would make it more obvious that the capacity is completely wrong for most cars.

So we get cars with 80 unit tanks, and some arbitrary fuel efficiency programmed for each car. It might be something ridiculously simple like 20 KM/L for race cars, normal V8s get 40 KM/L, I4s get 80 KM/L.

Who knows exactly how it works, but the most logical explanation is that it simply doesn't know the actual size of each car's tank and it just has a rough guess of fuel economy, so we get a somewhat arbitraty gauge instead of hard numbers that people can easily find fault with.
 
I paid $2.20/gal in texas. My 80 gm pure stockcar use 8 gal in 20 laps of race with ea lap be a .25 of a mile, so it get 4 mpg on a stock motor of about 250 hp.
 
BadBatsuMaru
No it's not. This theory gives PD way too much credit. You're essentially saying that GT4 knows the capacity of every car's fuel tank, and it knows the fuel efficiency of every car, but they have decided it's too much trouble to display it correctly so instead they throw this "80" number around.

More than likely the tank size is based on an 80L capacity. PD simply didn't bother finding the exact capacity of every fuel tank. If they had gone to the bother of collecting the data, it would be absurdly simple for them to display it on the screen. That is, if the software knew which cars had a 10 gallon tank and which ones had a 20 gallon tank, it would say it. It obviously doesn't know, so every car has an 80 "unit" tank. They don't want to say it's 80L, because that would make it more obvious that the capacity is completely wrong for most cars.

So we get cars with 80 unit tanks, and some arbitrary fuel efficiency programmed for each car. It might be something ridiculously simple like 20 KM/L for race cars, normal V8s get 40 KM/L, I4s get 80 KM/L.

Who knows exactly how it works, but the most logical explanation is that it simply doesn't know the actual size of each car's tank and it just has a rough guess of fuel economy, so we get a somewhat arbitraty gauge instead of hard numbers that people can easily find fault with.

In that case thats totally bogus. That doesn't make any sence at all...if they were going to make it that crappy they should have left fuel consumption out completly...
 
When you pit in, the precise amount you have in your tank is displayed (if you select the "Refuel" option, that is).

There's also an indicator on screen which has one bluey-white dash for every 5 units. When the last dash disappears you have 5 units left.
 
BadBatsuMaru
No it's not. This theory gives PD way too much credit. You're essentially saying that GT4 knows the capacity of every car's fuel tank, and it knows the fuel efficiency of every car, but they have decided it's too much trouble to display it correctly so instead they throw this "80" number around.

More than likely the tank size is based on an 80L capacity. PD simply didn't bother finding the exact capacity of every fuel tank. If they had gone to the bother of collecting the data, it would be absurdly simple for them to display it on the screen. That is, if the software knew which cars had a 10 gallon tank and which ones had a 20 gallon tank, it would say it. It obviously doesn't know, so every car has an 80 "unit" tank. They don't want to say it's 80L, because that would make it more obvious that the capacity is completely wrong for most cars.

So we get cars with 80 unit tanks, and some arbitrary fuel efficiency programmed for each car. It might be something ridiculously simple like 20 KM/L for race cars, normal V8s get 40 KM/L, I4s get 80 KM/L.

Who knows exactly how it works, but the most logical explanation is that it simply doesn't know the actual size of each car's tank and it just has a rough guess of fuel economy, so we get a somewhat arbitraty gauge instead of hard numbers that people can easily find fault with.

that makes a lot of sense. if they would have just used some number, then it would have been far more useful to use 100 percent.
 
To proove or disprove wether the tanks are all 80 units for every car (litres anybody) or if the tank size is a percantage of the real cars value would be a simple test.
Take two samples.
One being a small car with a small tank in real life and the other a large car with a large tank in real life and work out how far the cars should run in real life at approx 100 kmh and then reproduce that on the test track in GT4.
The web sites of various Manufactures would be able to provide details.
If the tank is 80 litres then the small economy car with a normal 40-50 litre tank should be able to go about twice as far as expected.
Somebody wants to test the Toyota hybrid car and maybe the Holden SS that has a 75 litre tank and its average fuel consumption is rated at 13.9 litres per hundred kilometers.
 
HA!!! i got you beat Jmac279. according to current Canadian to U.S conversion rates that comes to 62 U.S. cents a litre. thats U.S. $2.35 a gallon. i pay U.S. $2.09 a gallon for premium. :cool: i cant believe my fellow americans are always complaining about gas prices being high. they should take a look at the rest of the world.
 
I agree with BatBatsu. It only makes sense that they would give all the cars about the same amount of fuel. Nobody (except an idiot) races on a track with 25 gallons of fuel in their tank, usually about half a tank is used. I can't say for certain that it's 80 Liters, but the number seems very reasonable. I'm more inclined to say that it's 80 "units" which closely correspond to units. The best way to test this would probably be to take a Prius, which has the economy gage, drive for a while, check the fuel economy, and check how much fuel you have left and what proportion of the total tank it is. That oughta clear things up pretty well. As for 3.7xxmpg that number sounds very reasonable for a full-blown race car, so liters might be a pretty good approximation.
 
Balderdash!

All PD had to do was: E\ | /F and be done with it.

Cheers,

MasterGT
 
[QUOTE='85fierogt]HA!!! i got you beat Jmac279. according to current Canadian to U.S conversion rates that comes to 62 U.S. cents a litre. thats U.S. $2.35 a gallon. i pay U.S. $2.09 a gallon for premium. :cool: i cant believe my fellow americans are always complaining about gas prices being high. they should take a look at the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]

I agree; we pay the least of pretty much any country, and we have the nerve to complain when we can't fill up your SUV and buy Starbucks on the same trip.
 
3 mpg is pretty believable. It's amazing how quickly a track day will suck your fuel tank dry. My vette gets 24 mpg on the freeway and somewhere around 5 mpg on the track. It has a 20 gallon tank, and I will have to refuel at least once.

As to the argument about whether PD got all the gas tank sizes or not... let me start by saying that it's probably not very important whether they did or not because... while different cars have different sized gas tanks, the fuel range is almost always approximately the same. Manufacturers choose the size of the fuel tank to match the fuel consumption of the engine. So most cars have a fuel range of 300-400 miles.

So giving all the cars a standardized fuel tank and fuel consumption wouldn't be all that far from the truth.

On the other hand, researching the fuel tank sizes for 700 cars wouldn't actually be all that difficult. And it seems certain that PD would have a great deal of technical data on every car they've included in the game anyway. So I don't see any reason to assume that would somehow be too difficult for PD to include in the game. Here... a 10 second web search reveals that the Cizeta's fuel tank has a 120 liter capacity in RL. Not hard information to come by at all, even for a rare car.

I don't think the fact that they show 80 units for all cars necessarily proves anything one way or another. I don't think its correct to assume that it would necessarily tell you if it knew. The game knows _a lot_ of technical data on these cars which it doesn't display. Because why would the user care how long the suspension arms are, anyway? Why would they care how many gallons are actually left? They don't have to pay for the gas, so its pretty moot. Arguably, a generic unit representing a percentage of the tank is actually easier for the player to use. I mean... if it says you have 7 gallons left... does that mean you've used less than half your tank, and you can do another stint without refilling the tank? That's really the decision the player is trying to make, isn't it?

That said, it would actually be the other side of the equation that would be harder to figure out. The fuel consumption. As has been mentioned, fuel comsumption on the track is nothing like fuel consumption at cruise. Fuel consumption is directly impacted by rpm. Which means that your gear selection and the way you shift gears as you circle the track will alter your fuel mileage substantially. This could make doing 'lab tests' with GT4 to determine these answers rather difficult and less than scientific. Provided that GT4 models this behavior of fuel consumption, that is.


Nobody (except an idiot) races on a track with 25 gallons of fuel in their tank, usually about half a tank is used.
How do you come to this conclusion? I'm wondering because I think you just called a lot of RL racers idiots. Including myself.

There are a number of reasons to run a full tank:

1) The track can eat an entire tank of gas in an hour or two.
2) Starving the fuel pump during sustained hard turns can become a problem sometimes even with as much as half the tank remaining... but more typically a quarter tank or so.
3) Fuel sloshes around quite a bit when the tank is half empty. This is actually throwing a significant amount of weight (100+ pounds) that can upset the car.
4) The fuel tanks are positioned over the drive wheels in many performance cars, and the weight of the fuel load will increase traction (most useful in drag racing).

And, of course, the reason to run less than a full tank is to save weight.

Which way you run depends on which pitfalls you want to face, what kind of car you have, and what event.

Formula cars generally get much faster when the fuel load is lighter (since the fuel load is such a large percentage of the car's total weight). But in production based cars, they could even get slower as the fuel is expended.

I run a full tank in my vette. The tank is positioned right over the rear wheels, and I need all the help I can get planting the power down out of the hair pins.

- Skant
 
[QUOTE='85fierogt]HA!!! i got you beat Jmac279. according to current Canadian to U.S conversion rates that comes to 62 U.S. cents a litre. thats U.S. $2.35 a gallon. i pay U.S. $2.09 a gallon for premium. :cool: i cant believe my fellow americans are always complaining about gas prices being high. they should take a look at the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]

In Australia prices have just bumped up to round $1.10 / litre (Aus) or $2.70 / gallon ( US)... Goddam thgese mongolians stealing our oil.
 
BadBatsuMaru
So we get cars with 80 unit tanks, and some arbitrary fuel efficiency programmed for each car. It might be something ridiculously simple like 20 KM/L for race cars, normal V8s get 40 KM/L, I4s get 80 KM/L.

Actually somebody mentioned on another thread that the size of the turbo you use noticeably impacts fuel economy. It was something about pitting on different laps depending on which turbo was installed because of differences in fuel consumption. Little things like that seem to suggest that PD used something a bit more complex than 20/40/80 for gas mileage calculating.
 
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