Fuel Tank sizes.

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I have always thought about it but never got to posting it, but isn't it a bit odd that all cars have 100 liter tanks and then cars of similar classes all run out of fuel at the same distance?

I would like to test this out a little and categorize cars by distance ran, tires used, and where it would've ran out if it had the actual fuel tank for the car. I just think it boggles my mind GT can't get something as easy as this right...

AAANDDDD!! If we were to ever get an update of something of the sorts, they would need to make the fuel be totally exhausted at a certain point, similar to where it would IRL, as I don't want the same deal to happen to the tires, as they degrade way too unrealistically fast..

NOTE _-_ I meant for tires and both fuel to be placed on the normal wear rate, ONLINE. I am not talking about a spec in this thread...
 
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The way I have experienced it that some cars have bigger tanks than others. I remember seeing that some car had 200 litres. I was at pit and added 185 litres. But that was probably me seeing my own things and it was 85 litres instead.

This got me thinking, does the game have 'diesel'. Some cars in the game use that in real life (like most new Mercedes Benz). 10 litres of diesel lasts like 3 times longer than 10 litres of the usual gasoline (depends on the cars too).

Having 100 litre tanks on all cars could be there for balancing purposes too. Who knows... (Kaz).

Swagger897
...way too unrealistically fast..
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If are you referring to the S-class events, in those fuel/tyres deplete faster than normally.
 
Chrix12
The way I have experienced it that some cars have bigger tanks than others. I remember seeing that some car had 200 litres. I was at pit and added 185 litres. But that was probably me seeing my own things and it was 85 litres instead.

This got me thinking, does the game have 'diesel'. Some cars in the game use that in real life (like most new Mercedes Benz). 10 litres of diesel lasts like 3 times longer than 10 litres of the usual gasoline (depends on the cars too).

Having 100 litre tanks on all cars could be there for balancing purposes too. Who knows... (Kaz).



If are you referring to the S-class events, in those fuel/tyres deplete faster than normally.
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I don't think that we have the option to know whether or not we are actually using diesel, but I can suspect not as an r18 will run out just the same as most of the other LMP 's which all have the same tank size. What bothers me, like you said, is they balanced them ALL. It's quite ridiculous they couldn't devise something to limit the cars code for its tank. I think if they actually devised that, it would make people more decisive to choose which car they want to buy and use for specific races...

It's just that, of something was to happen like this, I'm afraid if a 100 liter tank goes down to say 55 like the R18, I'm only going to be able to do 6 laps only on fuel, where as I can get 11 now... It'll be a repeat of the tire degradation I assume where the speeds will be variable, meaning PD slacked off and we are getting a **** end product which makes me just :mad:

Anyways, no I'm not talking about anything in the a-spec at all... All racing slick tires degrade too fast and if they are close enough to reality then the grip levels are too low where I can't get lap times similar to what I could in real life...
 
Is the fuel at the pit stops displayed in Liters ? Always thought it was %

However, there is a difference in how far different cars get on one tank.

In the first "S" race i had AI Veyrons stop after 3 laps while a MP4-12 did 5 laps.
(The Veyrons could probably just have managed 4th lap also)

With LMP's and Diesel it is a bit complicated, they change the rules how much fuel is allowed pretty much every year to give the petrol cars a chance too (think Diesel are allowed 25-30l less).
It was only in the first year when the first R10 TDI competed that they really had the advantage of using less fuel but having the same tank and so could go a lot further.
After that they tweaked it every year, same as with different air restrictors for diesel and petrol cars (power limited).

So getting a LM race in GT6 realistic/right is just hopeless with all the cars from different years and no one knowing how much power they really got. (You could look up how much fuel was allowed but i highly doubt that the fuel consumption in GT6 is accurate, so you will never get the same laps per stint with the same laptime as it was in reality)
 
stb155
Is the fuel at the pit stops displayed in Liters ? Always thought it was %

However, there is a difference in how far different cars get on one tank.

In the first "S" race i had AI Veyrons stop after 3 laps while a MP4-12 did 5 laps.
(The Veyrons could probably just have managed 4th lap also)

With LMP's and Diesel it is a bit complicated, they change the rules how much fuel is allowed pretty much every year to give the petrol cars a chance too (think Diesel are allowed 25-30l less).
It was only in the first year when the first R10 TDI competed that they really had the advantage of using less fuel but having the same tank and so could go a lot further.
After that they tweaked it every year, same as with different air restrictors for diesel and petrol cars (power limited).

So getting a LM race in GT6 realistic/right is just hopeless with all the cars from different years and no one knowing how much power they really got. (You could look up how much fuel was allowed but i highly doubt that the fuel consumption in GT6 is accurate, so you will never get the same laps per stint with the same laptime as it was in reality)
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An important thing to keep in mind is the categorization of cars. The Veyron will most likely run out faster due to higher displacement as the mp4 is half of 16.4 almost...
The r18 (currently) has 20 liters less of fuel, but it still does 11 laps around LeMans. (For a total of 55 liters)
I still doubt that it isn't impossible as we are just limiting fuel reserves and setting the range for it. I'm unaware as how they determine range but it should correlate with the size tank and how it responds to with throttle movements. It shouldn't be that far off of actual race pace as well, as we don't have different car set ups we can do on track such as qualifying, test, or race.

zujca
The funniest thing for me with the whole fuel thing is the fact that I used up the same amount of fuel in 2 laps of Nürburgring as in 2 laps of La Sarthe.
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See that's just wrong as your doing 28+/- miles on the ring compared to 16+/- at LeMans.... I still don't believe that entirely. What car and what tire were you using...?
 
Swagger897
An important thing to keep in mind is the categorization of cars. The Veyron will most likely run out faster due to higher displacement as the mp4 is half of 16.4 almost...
The r18 (currently) has 20 liters less of fuel, but it still does 11 laps around LeMans. (For a total of 55 liters)
I still doubt that it isn't impossible as we are just limiting fuel reserves and setting the range for it. I'm unaware as how they determine range but it should correlate with the size tank and how it responds to with throttle movements. It shouldn't be that far off of actual race pace as well, as we don't have different car set ups we can do on track such as qualifying, test, or race.



See that's just wrong as your doing 28+/- miles on the ring compared to 16+/- at LeMans.... I still don't believe that entirely. What car and what tire were you using...?
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SLS AMG GT3 racing hard tires.
 
zujca
SLS AMG GT3 racing hard tires.
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Hmm... Will have to try that out... I don't see how that's possible at all, because you almost always go full throttle and off full. And it shouldn't be the difference of 12 miles since you have straights either, as fuel is fuel and you burn at the same rate for rpm...

Edit- at least in GT you burn the same for rpm...
 
Swagger897
Hmm... Will have to try that out... I don't see how that's possible at all, because you almost always go full throttle and off full. And it shouldn't be the difference of 12 miles since you have straights either, as fuel is fuel and you burn at the same rate for rpm...

Edit- at least in GT you burn the same for rpm...
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I assumed it's made so because of some kind of balance?
 
zujca
I assumed it's made so because of some kind of balance?
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But the game shouldn't be balanced, it should be exact. Fuel runs out where it would in reality. The occurrence you came across is a strange phenomenon too...
 
iamsupernasty
Fact: All cars have the same size tank. 100 liters (101 on refill)

Fact: All cars get slightly different fuel mileage.

Fact: You can save fuel by limiting rpm (short shift, lift early, etc.)
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1: ouch. I just saw it says "Liters" in pit, but maybe it is % of whatever the car has ?
But i guess that would to good to be true, on the other hand it can not be that hard to get the tank sizes for every car at least in the right ballpark ?

2: more than slight, veyron does 3laps in willows, Enzo 6
(Lets say 4/6 as the veyron could have done one more, Enzo was pretty dry)
That is 1/3 more, which sound realistic considering that the Veyron is a ton heavier and has more power.

3: Yep, already used it to get to half distance to finish with 1 stop.
(Better lose 10sec on track than 30 in the pit)
 
Swagger897
But the game shouldn't be balanced, it should be exact. Fuel runs out where it would in reality. The occurrence you came across is a strange phenomenon too...
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Have you done any super events? Cars run out of fuel like there are holes in the tanks.

Tire wear is also very exaggerated.
 
Swagger897
An important thing to keep in mind is the categorization of cars. The Veyron will most likely run out faster due to higher displacement as the mp4 is half of 16.4 almost...
The r18 (currently) has 20 liters less of fuel, but it still does 11 laps around LeMans. (For a total of 55 liters)
I still doubt that it isn't impossible as we are just limiting fuel reserves and setting the range for it. I'm unaware as how they determine range but it should correlate with the size tank and how it responds to with throttle movements. It shouldn't be that far off of actual race pace as well, as we don't have different car set ups we can do on track such as qualifying, test, or race.
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It would be interesting if changing the power on the LMP cars also has influence on fuel consumption.

Most of them have way more power then it shows at the dealer, which could be related to air ristrictor.

Any clue about that ?

I hope they took power output as base for fuel consumption and not engine capacity or official manufacturer numbers :eek:
 
PsuPepperoni
Have you done any super events? Cars run out of fuel like there are holes in the tanks.

Tire wear is also very exaggerated.
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Everything set to "high" in those events, weather also changes every 2 min.

AI can't handle it either, always do incredible stupid pit strategy in those races and let you "win" by a huge margin.
 
sumbrownkid
What exactly do they fill the Karma with? Duracell?
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Actually the Karma Drivetrain is very unique.

It uses a gas engine to charge batteries. Batteries power the electric engine. The electric engine powers the wheels. The gas engine doesn't power the wheels like other hybrids. This way they benefit from the optimal use of the gas engine and also from the constant peak torque of the electric engine.

 
It would be kind of neat if there would be a gas milage figure for each car, would be an interesting factor when selecting your car. Would be cool to have the option of installing bigger tanks in the tuning shop too. And it would be neat to be able to say how much gas you want in the tank before the race.
 
Annoyingly as the 'endurance' events are mere minutes long and you get an entire night in a lap and a bit of Le Mans then tire wear and fuel consumption is exaggerated. Annoying as you know damn well that in real life an LMP1 will do about 45 mins per tank at Le Mans.
 
PsuPepperoni
Have you done any super events? Cars run out of fuel like there are holes in the tanks.

Tire wear is also very exaggerated.
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No I haven't but that is the occuring trend for things it seems. I'm mainly talking about races set to normal fuel and tire consumption in this thread.

stb155
It would be interesting if changing the power on the LMP cars also has influence on fuel consumption.

Most of them have way more power then it shows at the dealer, which could be related to air ristrictor.

Any clue about that ?

I hope they took power output as base for fuel consumption and not engine capacity or official manufacturer numbers :eek:
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I assume that higher hp = more fuel used as doing three laps around SSX is nearly impossible without running out before the pits running at full throttle and max hp! rather than full throttle and the stock hp. I will try that one day....

BuzzRazer
It would be kind of neat if there would be a gas milage figure for each car, would be an interesting factor when selecting your car. Would be cool to have the option of installing bigger tanks in the tuning shop too. And it would be neat to be able to say how much gas you want in the tank before the race.
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Yes it would be cool to set tank size and also restrictions for races for individual cars online. A lot of holes are missing in PD's regulations and settings for us league players...
 
Are the electric cars mileage similar? Okay maybe you can't test the Fisker on the Super races, but there is a Pikes Peak electric car that could probably be used for some.
 
Chrix12
The way I have experienced it that some cars have bigger tanks than others. I remember seeing that some car had 200 litres. I was at pit and added 185 litres. But that was probably me seeing my own things and it was 85 litres instead.

This got me thinking, does the game have 'diesel'. Some cars in the game use that in real life (like most new Mercedes Benz). 10 litres of diesel lasts like 3 times longer than 10 litres of the usual gasoline (depends on the cars too).

Having 100 litre tanks on all cars could be there for balancing purposes too. Who knows... (Kaz).



If are you referring to the S-class events, in those fuel/tyres deplete faster than normally.
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I think all cars are fitted with a 100 litre endurance fuel tank so that people could customize their cars into race cars and still be viable in endurance races with fuel and tyre wear on. But this is where options come in PD, as simple as being able to buy a bigger fuel tank for your car when needed instead of generalising 100 litres for all cars.
 
Hi

I tried using a Tesla around 8 laps of Willow & it would only do 3 & bit laps per charge. I had to stop twice.

Paul
 
I thought that all competing cars in motor sport, had to have a certain size fuel tank and put in the safest place with the most protection in the vehicle.

I'd imagine most cars fuel tanks are already in the safest place though...
 
loopyloogrrr
I thought that all competing cars in motor sport, had to have a certain size fuel tank and put in the safest place with the most protection in the vehicle.

I'd imagine most cars fuel tanks are already in the safest place though...
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You would think they were but look at Chrysler with their jeeps.... Boy oh boy..


Anyways.. This thread isn't mainly about equality and fairness, it's about the cold hard facts. You buy a car nowadays to see what can go the farthest for the most return on my buck. So far, we are all getting equal answers depending on how you drive, which is not how reality go for 50% of that statement. An r18 currently had 20 liters less of fuel than the toyotas did at Le Mans and still could do more or similar laps as they could. That's the comparison. But! The fact is in GT 6 I can put my fuel at the same regs and can't do the same online at all, with fuel and tires set to normal. The r18 would be laps behind on fuel every stop, while the Toyota could keep going for much longer on its 75 liter tank.

What I'm trying to say, is that the tank sizes should be decreased for a car bought that is stock, yet I still want the realistic (somewhat) mileage we receive now. Then, we should be given the option to calculate fuel consumption, as dividing the mileage by the fuel tank is a somewhat troubling task, by the fact we need to see the mileage before and after the car, rather than calculating distance driven on the circuits by the circuits length, as the circuits length is based on the shortest distance split possible.

Now that's a run on sentence if I've ever seen one... But, I really want this idea to become well known, as it will add a deciding factor when purchasing cars. You can't tell me that there is a way to store 100 liters of fuel I. The 2cv, and tell me it will still go on that small a** engine it's got.

The. After this issue is solved, yes, that's when we should be given the option to have fuel tank additives, or better than that, select fuel grades and type. From diesel to hydrogen, to 50% earth anole to 120% jet fuel almost... It's a change which should've been implemented in 2010, when f1 2010 first introduced the mixture settings. PD is so far lost up themselves they can't see daylight even if there was a surgical operation performed and a flashlight sewn to their cornea. They really need to look at much larger scopes of things that will help them, rather than the weekly seasonal events meeting where they decide where should we race an s2000 at this Wednesday...?
 
My Fxx ran out
Of fuel at the 24 minute race of the nurb right before the last third lap , I had the wrong tires (RS) so I lost this race by having no fuel and worn out tires at the last few corners. I did it again with the Toyota gt one and I won without fuel being fully empty, got kind of annoyed since I'm trying to get that trophy lol
 

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