Functional Front Aero

[crowhop]

Is this the "missing link" for anyone else?
Now that the tire wear issue has been addressed (and I assume it will be tweaked to near-perfection), I think this is the final piece missing in the game.
Well, and the ability to add numbers and racing stripes, maybe.

It seems to me this is a odd area for PD to neglect and I hope it is addressed.
There are certainly other things they could add to the game (rear view mirror for Roof View, event creator/editor, etc), but this is an issue of something already in the game that is ignored.

 

[dr_slump]

Is this the "missing link" for anyone else?
Now that the tire wear issue has been addressed (and I assume it will be tweaked to near-perfection), I think this is the final piece missing in the game.

Why missing? It is already in the game.

Well, and the ability to add numbers and racing stripes, maybe.

You can add numbers on a couple cars, same with stripes. What do you want? That it's available for all cars?

 

[joetruckv8]

tire wear 2.02 equals real racing game now. All I need now is more tracks, and better split times with the rest of the pack.

 

[crowhop]

Why missing? It is already in the game.

You can add numbers on a couple cars, same with stripes. What do you want? That it's available for all cars?

The look is in the game as you can add a front valance to almost every Premium car. And some cars even allow for Extensions.
But those modifications do not actually function (IE add downforce).

Yes. Why not allow for every car to look like a race car?

 

[dr_slump]

The look is in the game as you can add a front valance to almost every Premium car. And some cars even allow for Extensions.
But those modifications do not actually function (IE add downforce).

I think they do, try the GTR 09 with exensions, it adds 2 front downforce. I feel a little difference.

But I agree, it should be available for way more cars. 👍

 

[JaySin85]

I've always wondered if the front aero did anything. Was gonna see if after the update it showed a pp increase when adding them to a car, but haven't tried yet. If it does add downforce, pp should also increase by a point or two.

I agree that more cars having it available would be nice. As well as numbers on non-rm cars and the ability to add decals such as stripes.

 

[seanneedscar]

I wish, they had a generic front splitter that I can add to standard and premium cars, like the generic rear wings they have

front downforce is SO crucial to a car's handling. This would be my first request to PD if I could make one

 

[Rudenut]

Why missing? It is already in the game.

You can add numbers on a couple cars, same with stripes. What do you want? That it's available for all cars?

non functional, and yes

 

[crowhop]

I think they do, try the GTR 09 with exensions, it adds 2 front downforce. I feel a little difference.

But I agree, it should be available for way more cars. 👍

There are a few cars that can be equipped for Front Aero. But they are very, very few.
Enzo, 458, GT-R, 430 Scuderia. Are there others? Certainly not many more.

I think Extensions should be worth an aero value of 5 and Front Air Dam should be worth an aero value of 15. Maximum of 20 and minimum of 10.

 

[SavageEvil]

I wish, they had a generic front splitter that I can add to standard and premium cars, like the generic rear wings they have

front downforce is SO crucial to a car's handling. This would be my first request to PD if I could make one

Funny thing, in GT4 when you bought the spoilers they came as a kit, with both front and rear included. Now in GT5 it's only rear because you can't visually see it, to me that's dumb, I don't need to see it I want the benefits of having it on the standard cars that can apply both.

Not every car with front aero can actually get the best out of it, in fact most cars tend to be held back by it, it may give you a slight increase in down force but the increase in drag is worse than the benefit. Looks nice and everything but doesn't help you as much as it hurts you. Like those people who buy those aftermarket bumpers with lower lip than stock, but all it does is force more air over the car and increase fuel consumption at highway speeds.

Front aero isn't actually how race cars get better front grip alone, it also comes from channeling the air correctly, that is due to changing the front bumper and having air channels built into the parts and or the chassis, the brake ducts front and rear, the underbody it's a lot more than bolting on parts here or there. You are looking at the superficial, which is half the story. PD hasn't really sunk deep into air flow, perhaps they can do that with GT6 by adding full race car rebuild and wind tunnel fine tuned adjustments that will balance over car and under car airflow, maximizing speed and fuel consumption and tire wear. Cheers, I like fiddling with things, but some things just don't need messing with just yet.

 

[crowhop]

SavageEvil, right on. Diffusers are key...and, as you say, probably most important.
The one on the Premium Supra...looks terrible and doesn't even do anything.
Aerodynamics is definitely an area where GT5 could improve.

 

[JaySin85]

Front aero (the lip spoiler anyways) is meant to keep air from getting under the car. That is what increases downforce, acts like a suction cup to the ground because of the air pressure difference. It may cause more drag, but it depends on what you are going for as to whether you want it or not. It actually affecting the car when equipped would be nice. Why even have it in the game otherwise? Especially the extensions. I dont think they should add much, maybe 5 each for a total of 10. Definitely not as much as a RM car would get though. Considering a Rm car would probably have other things that would compliment any added aero.

 

[Rudenut]

Funny thing, in GT4 when you bought the spoilers they came as a kit, with both front and rear included. Now in GT5 it's only rear because you can't visually see it, to me that's dumb, I don't need to see it I want the benefits of having it on the standard cars that can apply both.

Not every car with front aero can actually get the best out of it, in fact most cars tend to be held back by it, it may give you a slight increase in down force but the increase in drag is worse than the benefit. Looks nice and everything but doesn't help you as much as it hurts you. Like those people who buy those aftermarket bumpers with lower lip than stock, but all it does is force more air over the car and increase fuel consumption at highway speeds.

Front aero isn't actually how race cars get better front grip alone, it also comes from channeling the air correctly, that is due to changing the front bumper and having air channels built into the parts and or the chassis, the brake ducts front and rear, the underbody it's a lot more than bolting on parts here or there. You are looking at the superficial, which is half the story. PD hasn't really sunk deep into air flow, perhaps they can do that with GT6 by adding full race car rebuild and wind tunnel fine tuned adjustments that will balance over car and under car airflow, maximizing speed and fuel consumption and tire wear. Cheers, I like fiddling with things, but some things just don't need messing with just yet.

I agree that for your daily driver front aero is nothing but poor fuel consumption. However, on track the front aero is a massive help. 5 for extensions/grillwork and 10 for a splitter would help dramatically.

Some touring car series have the simple splitter/fender/grill setup with very little complex ducting. They don't put these on the car for looks. For FF cars 15 downforce would be welcome on every one of them.

I don't expect that every bodykit maker out there has functional products, but some do. Summit racing, a huge race equipment shop near Atlanta, sells them and they are affordable. These products are wind tunnel tested.

I cannot understand why people want to argue against including content that absolutely reflects reality. We don't, as much as Kaz dreams that we could, drive these cars around imaginary cities. We drive on imaginary racetracks and people should be able to prepare their cars accordingly.

 

[daft biker]

There are a few cars that can be equipped for Front Aero. But they are very, very few.
Enzo, 458, GT-R, 430 Scuderia. Are there others? Certainly not many more.

I think Extensions should be worth an aero value of 5 and Front Air Dam should be worth an aero value of 15. Maximum of 20 and minimum of 10.

Are you sure about the Enzo? I tended to use it with the standard rear wing or it got too understeery at high speeds due to lack of front downforce.

Or maybe it did let you add a little front DF, just not enough....I can't remember exactly

The 430 Scuderia though.....that thing is wicked with all the aero bits on. Possibly the best example of what the front aero bits can do I've come accross so far.

IIRC the premium TVRs are good for aero bits too and also much improved with them.

 

[crowhop]

Are you sure about the Enzo? I tended to use it with the standard rear wing or it got too understeery at high speeds due to lack of front downforce.

If I recall correctly, adding the Rear Wing to the Enzo automatically adds a static value of 10 to the front.
Possible I am mis-remembering that though.