g-25 with supercar challenge

[darkos]

You are good when playing just one game, handle them both can mess things up. I just hope you are not be one of those guys racing old farts like Ferrari's from 60s. There is a lot of new toys but i've never meet anyone who would use then. Except one idiot who bashes even me. 👎

Does anyone use cars like Zonda F, Koeniggseg CCX, FXX, F50GT ?

 

[bullie77]

I must say I'm one of those who preferably use classic cars over newer ones. I started a new gamesave with this new patch to try and get through all tournaments/arcade/challenge modes with its better overall handling and improved AI (although still too much punters bots to my taste...), and also to train my driving skills on the G25.

The reason why I tend to prefer these classical cars is that I feel (I would think the same while driving with pad/DFP) is that their handling in the game seem closer to reality than the newer ones.

Although, I'm changing my 'dislike' of some recent cars such as the Enzo lately. Others, like the DBR9, seem utterly strange to drive on the G25 and with default setups, with its extremely twitchy brakes and that stupidy tendency for exaggerated oversteer under braking.

 

[new_soul]

Does anyone use cars like Zonda F, Koeniggseg CCX, FXX, F50GT ?

I prefer heavy cars which are tricky to drive- Zonda, Enzo, Mclaren 550GT ,but dont like the Masarati and cars like F50GT 333sp and P4 (cars that are fast, light, with high power and easy to drive)

 

[jjaisli]

Well, I suppose it's no secret after all the "Old Timer" events I put together, but I'm a big fan of the classic cars as well. And I find it a bit interesting because I never thought I would be. I'm a big fan of technology. I love F1 and really lamented over the changes from 3.0 liter V10s and electronic aids to the more 'basic' cars we have today. I much prefer the ALMS with his high tech prototypes as opposed to ugly and simple Daytona Prototypes from the competing Rolex series. At car shows, I tended to gravitate toward the newer cars first and the classics only after I've had my fill.

The driving game I wanted to play first on my PS3 was F1:CE. But something happened that I never expected. I found that I actually enjoyed and appreciated driving the older classic Grand Prix cars more than the modern cars. Driving the Lotus 72 or the Cooper Climax in F1:CE is a very organic and visceral experience where as driving the 2006 spec F1 cars was something I found very sterile, very clinical.

And this phenomena has followed to other games as well. While my favorite car in Ferrari Challenge was actually the 355 Challenge, I really love driving the 1958 TR or the 1962 GTO. Their skinny tires and unruly handling make them a blast and they require a very different technique to going quickly than just fast reflexes. They make you appreciate balance and weight transfer and the importance of hitting the apex "just right" that you don't quite get in newer and more modern cars. And more importantly, I found them to be wonderful cars for close, on-line racing. Their slower speeds and longer braking distances mean that you can race wheel to wheel much more of the time than you could ever hope to do with rocketships like the 333SP.

Likewise, I have to say, one of my favorite cars to drive in NFS:Shift has turned out to the be the 1972 Nissan Skyline. The fact that it DOESN'T have 400-hp and a buttoned down suspension makes it much more challenging, in an all together different way than the mental overload of trying to haul the Zonda R or MC-12 around the Ring.

At any rate, I think the F50 GT is a real hoot. Between the DBR9, the C6R and the 550GT, it's probably my favorite. More difficult to drive than the Corvette and not quite as quick as the Aston Martin, it slots in nicely. But the Zonda and Koenigsegg and to a much lesser extent the FXX are really a different class of car. The Zonda and CCX are road cars and when pushed hard on a track they fall into terminal understeer. I'm sure they're great road cars though.

Anyway, glad you could finally join us Manny! The 348 Challenge series in Supercar Challenge will be starting in early April. You have plenty of time to practice. 👍

 

[MannyMoenjack]

Anyway, glad you could finally join us Manny! The 348 Challenge series in Supercar Challenge will be starting in early April. You have plenty of time to practice. 👍

Thanks jjaisli!
I'm looking forward to that. The 348 is a favorite of mine. I'll sorry I waited so long to get SCC, it looks like you guys have had some great events. 👍

 

[vompatti]

Quick question for G25/G27 users.

Throttle control, how is it with those wheels? I find it quite irritating that with DFGT it seems, that if the total travel of gas pedal is 100mm (didn't measure it, just approx.) then for example with 355 Challenge, when you push about 10mm throttle there is already about 7000rpm. When you push 11mm -> it's on the rev limiter.

Unfortunately I think this can be tested only on start as you can't put gearbox on neutral. But it's really hard to get any kind of rpm that you would actually want for example on the start. That 3s is simply not enough time to get it right with so little travel that actually uses the throttle. Also it seems to move with steps, not with linear progression. Like there is a range of (approx. again) 2000-4000, then 4000-7000 and 7000-rev limiter.

These two things together make it really frustrating and I often find myself driving with bigger gears simply because it is almost impossible to control the throttle in vital situations. For example in Silverstone I didn't use 2nd gear anywhere...

Is it the same with G25/G27?

 

[bullie77]

Have you tried to adjust the pedals sensitivity? Mine are on middle (G25).

 

[jjaisli]

My personal suspicion is that throttle input while on the grid is over sensitive. It's not nearly as bad once you're under way.

 

[vompatti]

Have you tried to adjust the pedals sensitivity? Mine are on middle (G25).

Yeah, I've tried all three of them and all of them are bad.

My personal suspicion is that throttle input while on the grid is over sensitive. It's not nearly as bad once you're under way.

Hmm, could be. Actually, now that you did mention it I think I've sometimes thought that the throttle travel linearity seems to vary between different gears. But I simply thought that it can't be and I was imaging it. Maybe there is something into it after all. Too bad you can't get a neutral gear in. I think I'll try to do some testing for example on oval with 2nd or 3rd gear to see how easy it is to keep precise speed.

Btw, you guys didn't answer my question Do you feel that G25/G27 works the same way?

 

[jjaisli]

Well, I've never used a DFGT so it's difficult for me to really compare. It's difficult to modulate the throttle sometimes but not impossible.

 

[bullie77]

Btw, you guys didn't answer my question Do you feel that G25/G27 works the same way?

Definetively no! I've used to play before with the DFP wheel, which has the same plastic pedals of the DFGT, and the progressiveness and linearity given by G25 pedals is much better, due to the resistance of the pedals in the later.

It is still not "perfect" but it's definitively better.

 

[vompatti]

Definetively no! I've used to play before with the DFP wheel, which has the same plastic pedals of the DFGT, and the progressiveness and linearity given by G25 pedals is much better, due to the resistance of the pedals in the later.

It is still not "perfect" but it's definitively better.

This was what I wanted to know (and what I suspected a little bit too). Thanks bullie for clearing it out!

 

[Alan_G]

Throttle control, how is it with those wheels? I find it quite irritating that with DFGT it seems, that if the total travel of gas pedal is 100mm (didn't measure it, just approx.) then for example with 355 Challenge, when you push about 10mm throttle there is already about 7000rpm. When you push 11mm -> it's on the rev limiter.

Unfortunately I think this can be tested only on start as you can't put gearbox on neutral. But it's really hard to get any kind of rpm that you would actually want for example on the start. That 3s is simply not enough time to get it right with so little travel that actually uses the throttle. Also it seems to move with steps, not with linear progression. Like there is a range of (approx. again) 2000-4000, then 4000-7000 and 7000-rev limiter.

I think it's the same with the pad, incidentally, as I noticed the same thing with the 355C parked while revving up. I have a feeling that this rpm does not reflect the actual throttle input because it doesn't feel like that when exiting corners.

 

[jenny.smith]

I would say it is probably because you have not got used to the unique sensation of FFB NCC yet. Most users G25 really feel the CSC FFB with a good wheel, but it can take some getting used to if you are used to GT5P or other racing games. In addition, the physics of NCC focus more on weight transfer, which means you have to think about the pace of the car.

 

[arvore]

Sorry to ask, but...what's a NCC?!

 

[jjaisli]

I would say it is probably because you have not got used to the unique sensation of FFB NCC yet. Most users G25 really feel the CSC FFB with a good wheel, but it can take some getting used to if you are used to GT5P or other racing games. In addition, the physics of NCC focus more on weight transfer, which means you have to think about the pace of the car.

I don't disagree with your comments (although I don't know what CSC means either). But I'm not certain to which or to whose post you're referring. The last few posts all referred to throttle/brake input.