G27 FFB vs DFGT

[w-g-e]

Your GT3RS problems seem similar to my G27. I will be returning my wheel for a replacement, maybe something got damaged during transit. Same maybe could have happened to your GT3RS? Do you have yours set to 100% feedback on the on wheel settings? Anyway if my replacement feels messed up I might stick with DFGT and wait for a CSR wheel with a better rim

I've set my force feedback to 100% on the wheel and 10 in the game. It could be a problem with the wheel as I feel the resistance isn't great either (far from it actually). But right now I have no proove so I don't know.

Oh, and I hope your replacement wheel feels better.👍

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I've set my force feedback to 100% on the wheel and 10 in the game. It could be a problem with the wheel as I feel the resistance isn't great either (far from it actually). But right now I have no proove so I don't know.

Oh, and I hope your replacement wheel feels better.👍

The experience for both of us don't seem to match up with reviews. Might be worth you trying to get a replacement. I am doing the same thing like you turned up to 10 on GT5 on the G27, and also maxxed out on PC sims on the FFB and it is like there is no feedback from the tyres. Might give the new seasonals ago with my current G27 as a replacement might take a while with Christmas and New Year. Thanks by the way on your feedback. If you got space on your PSN, I will try and add you. Do you have a fully broken in GT-R N24 that you could share? Then I can see if I can compete against you.

 

[w-g-e]

The experience for both of us don't seem to match up with reviews. Might be worth you trying to get a replacement. I am doing the same thing like you turned up to 10 on GT5 on the G27, and also maxxed out on PC sims on the FFB and it is like there is no feedback from the tyres. Might give the new seasonals ago with my current G27 as a replacement might take a while with Christmas and New Year. Thanks by the way on your feedback. If you got space on your PSN, I will try and add you. Do you have a fully broken in GT-R N24 that you could share? Then I can see if I can compete against you.

You could try to send a request but I don't have acces to my PS3 until monday. If you want I can share the car then but that wouldn't give you much time I guess.
I don't know if Fantec support will just send me a replacement wheel but I guess I could give it a try.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

You could try to send a request but I don't have acces to my PS3 until monday. If you want I can share the car then but that wouldn't give you much time I guess.
I don't know if Fantec support will just send me a replacement wheel but I guess I could give it a try.

Just tried, your list is full. Nevermind, will just try to run the event with a new one. If you make space, will be good to have another fast person on my friends list 👍.

Always worth a go, good luck 👍.

 

[Zoom!Zoom!]

The experience for both of us don't seem to match up with reviews. Might be worth you trying to get a replacement. I am doing the same thing like you turned up to 10 on GT5 on the G27, and also maxxed out on PC sims on the FFB and it is like there is no feedback from the tyres. Might give the new seasonals ago with my current G27 as a replacement might take a while with Christmas and New Year. Thanks by the way on your feedback. If you got space on your PSN, I will try and add you. Do you have a fully broken in GT-R N24 that you could share? Then I can see if I can compete against you.

If you maxed out the FFB setting you will get ffb clipping. This will make the ffb feel stronger but at the cost of not feeling some of the ffb effects.
Clipping is what happen when the software demands more ffb strength than the wheel ffb motors can deliver. When the ffb motors are turning already at max power (100%) any increase demand from the software is ignored.
You want to always keep the wheel ffb set at 100% and lower the software ffb strength instead. It's not rare to have my software ffb strength set around 20%-30% on the PC.
I think the problem with GT5 is the spring effect is too strong and muffs out a lot of the other ffb effects.

 

[w-g-e]

Just tried, your list is full. Nevermind, will just try to run the event with a new one. If you make space, will be good to have another fast person on my friends list 👍.

Always worth a go, good luck 👍.

Thanks,
I'll send you a request when I'm back.👍

 

[Saidur_Ali]

If you maxed out the FFB setting you will get ffb clipping. This will make the ffb feel stronger but at the cost of not feeling some of the ffb effects.
Clipping is what happen when the software demands more ffb strength than the wheel ffb motors can deliver. When the ffb motors are turning already at max power (100%) any increase demand from the software is ignored.
You want to always keep the wheel ffb set at 100% and lower the software ffb strength instead. It's not rare to have my software ffb strength set around 20%-30% on the PC.
I think the problem with GT5 is the spring effect is too strong and muffs out a lot of the other ffb effects.

FFB is poor regardless of low or high settings. The G27 for me is no match in any setting compared to DFGT on even 1 FFB level.

Thanks,
I'll send you a request when I'm back.👍

My G27 replacement should be with me soon 👍. Hopefully I can be a bit more competitive in TT's then, at the moment I'm struggling to drive with any consistency and I'm hoping my replacement will give me a better feel.

 

[Blaze_409]

I also want to add. The G27 has made me even faster than I was before. I feel like im am 3-4 tenths faster everywhere i go. And its much easier to pick up an car and jsut drive it with the stock tune. I love the G27.

The DFGT always gave me ffb oversteer. Imo that is oversteer caused by the wheel not the car and then the car crashed..;

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Got my replacement G27. It feels more like the DFGT when hitting curbs. However it makes more noise than my original G27 and is less smooth. The right paddle does not feel right and it makes a strange sound when calibrating all the way to the right compared to my original one which made the same sound both left and right lock and was quieter. The road and tyre feedback is different and made me spin out more at first running the same track and car but I'm finding it sort of better now. Looks like I will be returning this one as well due to the other problems. There is also a ding and scratches on the shifter close to where the buttons are. My old one had scratches which is most likely caused by the cable end.

Am I just unlucky and is everyone elses G27 fine? It is amazing the difference between two wheels which are meant to be the same but neither of them feel quite right. It is probably due to the packaging not having any padding for the wheel. It does not really matter that much for the pedals or the shifter (They should have something to peel off the shifter to stop it scratching during transit though or restrict the cable. The wheel needs the padding due to how precise everything is. This is getting a bit frustrating now but hopefully I will get a perfectly working G27.

 

[jdmbb]

my g27 came with a clear blue masking tape on the majority of the brushed metal parts if i remember correctly

 

[Blaze_409]

Got my replacement G27. It feels more like the DFGT when hitting curbs. However it makes more noise than my original G27 and is less smooth. The right paddle does not feel right and it makes a strange sound when calibrating all the way to the right compared to my original one which made the same sound both left and right lock and was quieter. The road and tyre feedback is different and made me spin out more at first running the same track and car but I'm finding it sort of better now. Looks like I will be returning this one as well due to the other problems. There is also a ding and scratches on the shifter close to where the buttons are. My old one had scratches which is most likely caused by the cable end.

Make sure you have removed the plastic film that covers the stainless steel on the shifter. Then the scratches and dings should come off.

Keep at it. The G27 is a godsend.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Make sure you have removed the plastic film that covers the stainless steel on the shifter. Then the scratches and dings should come off.

Keep at it. The G27 is a godsend.

I feel like an idiot now. I thought there might be a plastic film on the original one but felt like I might ruin it trying to find something to peel. Checked again now and it indeed has something to peel off. Will leave it on though for protection now that I know.

Hopefully I get a perfect G27. The paddles of this current one, especially the right one is so annoying. The feedback the more I drive it seems a decent step up. If it had the smoothness and paddles of the old one, I would have kept it.

 

[FrancisChiu]

Hopefully I get a perfect G27. The paddles of this current one, especially the right one is so annoying. The feedback the more I drive it seems a decent step up. If it had the smoothness and paddles of the old one, I would have kept it.

Hi, I'm planing to get a G27 and saw your post, was wondering if you eventually get a G27 with nice FFB like DFGT(I had a DFGT), thanks.

P.S It seems lack of FFB in road condition in GT5 is common, another post I saw as the link below also has similar concern.

http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/3903518?start=0&tstart=0

 

[Buhnanah]

If someone doesn't want their G25/27, just PM me.

 

[Raitziger]

I have just setup my new G27. I had a DFGT before. I am finding the G27 FFB is not as good as the DFGT. There is a lack of road feel and when the tyres are understeering.

I find the wheel easier and more effortless to drive than with the DFGT though. For example, driving something like the RUF CTR Yellowbird is much more manageable due to wheel speed.

I can still drive as fast in GT5 as I could with the DFGT but I feel more disconnected and finding the limit is not as natural in feel and more trial and error making me less consistent. I am relying more on audio and visual feedback than before. Anyone else who has a DFGT and also G27 find this? Could my FFB be broken? I had my DFGT set to 3 but have my G27 set to 10 and still find it not as good.

FFB sucks for me after 2.04 patch. Did you play with both after 2.04?

 

[buby0706]

I have g27 and FFB 9 and everyting is ok...

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Hi, I'm planing to get a G27 and saw your post, was wondering if you eventually get a G27 with nice FFB like DFGT(I had a DFGT), thanks.

P.S It seems lack of FFB in road condition in GT5 is common, another post I saw as the link below also has similar concern.

http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/3903518?start=0&tstart=0

The FFB is similar to DFGT now, maybe does not give feedback of understeer as good but it is not much of a set back. I tried PC sims on it and it is as alive as the DFGT was on them compared to my original faulty G27 which was completely dead in FFB for the most part in the same games. If you do get a G27, check on a good few games if the FFB is working and not dead in feel for you compared to DFGT. Get a replacement if it is dead in feel and hopefully, you get one that feels right. If you end up returning many times, then it might not be the wheel for you.

If someone doesn't want their G25/27, just PM me.

Sure, PM on its way...

Just joking

FFB sucks for me after 2.04 patch. Did you play with both after 2.04?

I have only played with the G27 after update. The FFB is probably more subtle now, for road cars I used to have FFB set to 3, now moved it up to 5 and for F1 cars, I have gone up to 10 to get a better feel.

It is not holding me back in anyway as I recently finished 6th on this seasonal event and FFB was pretty good, maybe an improvement from before: http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/products/gt5/event/d41834.html

I have g27 and FFB 9 and everyting is ok...

Mine is OK too 👍.

 

[Dumpy]

I'm on 3 months with my G27 moving from my DFP. At first it felt weak, but now that I'm used to the subtleties of the G27 it's great. I've never felt any better FFB than the G27 and GT5*.

*Your experience may vary.

 

[TankAss95]

I'm on 3 months with my G27 moving from my DFP. At first it felt weak, but now that I'm used to the subtleties of the G27 it's great. I've never felt any better FFB than the G27 and GT5*.

*Your experience may vary.

My G27 has very light feedback - and I'm not a strong bloke or anything. The wheel is great in every other way I just wish it could be more responsive. I'm not even sure if it's Gran Turismo 5 itself to blame or the wheel.

And might I add that I use FFB 10 and Simulation feedback in the game options, with no power steering.

 

[Conza]

I have the G27, upgraded from the DFGT, and except for the lack of buttons on the wheel (mostly the PS button, DS3 buttons, and radial dial, oh and horn of course!), The G27 has a better 'wheel' and technically better gears.

In the end, I used the DFGT for about a year, and most of the time it was at setting 10, the G27 is also at setting 10, but occassionally, the FFB sort of 'cuts out', I haven't found the understeer issue that the OP speaks of, but, I can't deny it either.

I think ultimately, for the price I pay, and especially after my DFGT sells, the upgrade price will be 'just' worth it. But if I had paid $200 for the DFGT, and $500 for the G27, I'd be feeling serverly ripped off.

 

[FrancisChiu]

The FFB is similar to DFGT now, maybe does not give feedback of understeer as good but it is not much of a set back. I tried PC sims on it and it is as alive as the DFGT was on them compared to my original faulty G27 which was completely dead in FFB for the most part in the same games. If you do get a G27, check on a good few games if the FFB is working and not dead in feel for you compared to DFGT. Get a replacement if it is dead in feel and hopefully, you get one that feels right. If you end up returning many times, then it might not be the wheel for you. 👍.

Thanks for the reply

So it seems more like the FFB issues could be 1. the faulty G27 hardware if unlucky 2. the proper support from GT5 .

DFGT is the official wheel in the very beginning of GT5, while G27 was added to the support list recently only..

I would try the G27 soon, and hopefully the road feels I got from DFGT won't be too far from G27, for this for me is one of the major fun factors in using wheel....

 

[djslofstra]

Hey people,
My logitech DFGT is dead now. When I had to make a huge correction to prevend my car from crashing, FF stopped giving feedback tot the left. When I tried it the next day FF didn't do anything anymore. Later that day it wouldn't even recognise steering movements. I opened it up and I think the circuit board broke.
After just a year of useage this happend. I bought the wheel earlier but I didn't use it till march 2012. So I don't have warranty any more.
I have seen stories on the internet with people having the same problem and had warrenty replacements up to 5 times.
Since my wheel dead after just a year of useage my question is should I buy a DFGT again or a G27? I use it quite a lot in GT5 and really loved my dfgt.
I was only very disapointed with the durability. I didn't really have problems with the sound.
Will the g27 last longer, anyways?

 

[CBH]

Hey people,
My logitech DFGT is dead now. When I had to make a huge correction to prevend my car from crashing, FF stopped giving feedback tot the left. When I tried it the next day FF didn't do anything anymore. Later that day it wouldn't even recognise steering movements. I opened it up and I think the circuit board broke.
After just a year of useage this happend. I bought the wheel earlier but I didn't use it till march 2012. So I don't have warranty any more.
I have seen stories on the internet with people having the same problem and had warrenty replacements up to 5 times.
Since my wheel dead after just a year of useage my question is should I buy a DFGT again or a G27? I use it quite a lot in GT5 and really loved my dfgt.
I was only very disapointed with the durability. I didn't really have problems with the sound.
Will the g27 last longer, anyways?

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