Gemballa Stormtrooper Enzo

[Public'sTwin]

While I generally dislike the thing, there is one bit which I quite like... a lot: The little LED bits surrounding that initial air intake just below the proper headlights.

I'm a sucker for LEDs like that, though.

 

[Rue]

IMO, all these tuning house (Gembala, Hamaan, Mansory, 9ff, Ruff) produce stuff only suitable for Russian ganstas and footballers... in other words, people who think the most important thing in life is to let other people know you have loads of money.

You can have 3 out of those 5, but Gemballa are pretty hardcore and you're not putting Ruf in that category and getting away with it so lightly!

 

[RACECAR]

IMO, all these tuning house (Gembala, Hamaan, Mansory, 9ff, Ruff) produce stuff only suitable for Russian ganstas and footballers... in other words, people who think the most important thing in life is to let other people know you have loads of money.

Well then based on the bolded tuners(and the fact that not all of Hamaan's cars have less then favorable exteriors), your opinion appears to be nothing but a poorly informed stereotype that clearly lacks any kind of reasonable research. The last time I checked, Rich people don't need tuners to show others they have alot of money.

To further expand on what Mclaren showed us, I'd also like to show another Example that Hamann isn't all show no go:

 

[Stotty]

I did use 'IMO' in the very first sentence in my post... and I stand by what I said... IMO these tuning house cars are dreadful.

There might be a performance gap the manufacturer has left open... but this is usually a balance aganist something else... so you can add a bit of power (although how relevent 40bhp is to an Enzo is a matter of debate), but lose torque or move the power band... or you can lower and stiffen the supension to make the car handle better on the track but then ruin it's on road ability. I think it's pretty naieve (sp?) to think that a company like Gemballa can do a better job on the Enzo than Ferrari considering the resources, experience and technollogy available to Ferrari.

And I do sterotype these tuning house as they all do the same thing... crass body kit (more often than not, in some lurid colour scheme), lower suspension, bigger wheels, oversized rear wing and overdone interiors.

Honestly... that's pretty close to being the most hiddeous thing I have ever seen in my entire life... the base car is bad enough, but that's as bad as the Mansory SLR... flash, crass and tasteless... if it was a Corsa or a Saxo almost everyone on here would stick it straight in the 'questionable modifications' thread.

 

[The Outlaw]

I did use 'IMO' in the very first sentence in my post... and I stand by what I said... IMO these tuning house cars are dreadful.

That's not the point. I have absolutely no problem if you think the cars/modifications these tuners produce are completely dreadful.

Your opinion of who (Russian gangsters, football players) has their cars modified by such tuning companies, and WHY they do so is the stereotype I was pointing out.

There might be a performance gap the manufacturer has left open... but this is usually a balance aganist something else... so you can add a bit of power (although how relevent 40bhp is to an Enzo is a matter of debate), but lose torque or move the power band... or you can lower and stiffen the supension to make the car handle better on the track but then ruin it's on road ability. I think it's pretty naieve (sp?) to think that a company like Gemballa can do a better job on the Enzo than Ferrari considering the resources, experience and technollogy available to Ferrari.

That's just a blanket statement.

From strictly a performance standpoint (like I said before), yes, these companies can improve on what the factory has produced. We've seen it time and time again.

But hey, if you don't want to take my word for it that's fine. Just another case of, ignorance is bliss.

 

[Stotty]

Improving the perormance of a civic for example is one thing... improving the performance of an Enzo is quite another thing all together.

And it might be sterotypical to say these car are for footballers and Russian Oligars, but I believe for the most part it's true... the only time I've seen cars of this type in the UK they are being driven by premier league footballers... and when I was in Moscow in September I saw no end of Brabus & Gemballa Cayenne's being driven by the sort of people you wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley late at night

I see it as a matter class... 'old' or 'new' money so to speak... 'new' money wants to shout about it's wealth, old money is comfortable not being noticed... old money would buy a classic Ferrari... new money would buy a Gemballa bastardised F430 or 599 or Conti.

Do any of these cars ever get driven to the full potential (unless it's by the maunfacturers to prove their speed or a magazine in a road test)? Most of the cars they are based on never get driven properly. They are all about having something different... if you have 'loads of money' (google Harry Enfield loads of money) you don't want to be confused with someone who is meerly wealthy... so you need something that proves just how rich you are... and as the base cars are so good nowadays the only way you can stand out is to completely bastardise the original.

These are just 'pimp my ride' for supercars.

 

[The Outlaw]

Well obviously your partly uniformed and stereotyping opinion is the end-all be-all to the discussion. So we'll just leave it at that We can only agree to disagree 👍

All I know is that if I were to say the things you have said I would be getting flak left and right most likely

 

[Stotty]

I might say the same about yours too

And it would be a boring World if we all thought the same way and liked the same things 👍

 

[McLaren]

And I do sterotype these tuning house as they all do the same thing... crass body kit (more often than not, in some lurid colour scheme), lower suspension, bigger wheels, oversized rear wing and overdone interiors.

Yep, that's all they do. Gemballa obviously does not add in sport suspension, or bigger brakes, or engine conversions. Nope. And Edo, my god. Just throwing a big spoiler on a stock Carrera GT with only a little bit of power added.

And who is Novitec kidding? There's obviously no way they could ever improve Ferrari's work, so those new ECUs, air filters, sport exhaust systems, & twin superchargers are all just big jokes because it's obviously all about this black/white theme with these 19 & 20" wheels.

Yep, nothing more than a "pimp my ride" supercar that obviously is more about flash than power.

 

[RACECAR]

I did use 'IMO' in the very first sentence in my post... and I stand by what I said... IMO these tuning house cars are dreadful.

There might be a performance gap the manufacturer has left open... but this is usually a balance aganist something else... so you can add a bit of power (although how relevent 40bhp is to an Enzo is a matter of debate), but lose torque or move the power band... or you can lower and stiffen the supension to make the car handle better on the track but then ruin it's on road ability. I think it's pretty naive (sp?) to think that a company like Gemballa can do a better job on the Enzo than Ferrari considering the resources, experience and technollogy available to Ferrari.

Just because its a Ferrari doesn't mean its perfect. Same can be applied to Porsche.

And I do sterotype these tuning house as they all do the same thing... crass body kit (more often than not, in some lurid colour scheme), lower suspension, bigger wheels, oversized rear wing and overdone interiors.

Have you even seen every Tuning house? Theres more of them then just the ones you've shown.

Honestly... that's pretty close to being the most hiddeous thing I have ever seen in my entire life... the base car is bad enough, but that's as bad as the Mansory SLR... flash, crass and tasteless... if it was a Corsa or a Saxo almost everyone on here would stick it straight in the 'questionable modifications' thread.

Do you even look into the specs of these cars before saying that? Exactly how is it "Flash, Crass and tasteless"? Again, you have no base to exactly show me how they don't do anything, only that for some reason that you blindly hate seeing exotics being tuned by someone other then the original manufacterer. Also, your basing a stereotype on what you've seen in only your parts. Clearly you have not been to most other parts of the world(or haven't even bothered looking) otherwise you can't tell me that these are all over the rich places here in the States. I live near a very rich neighborhood and I'll tell right here that none of these cars have been spotted there. The only "Pimp My ride" crap I see is the stereotypical Cadillacs and Hummers and again, those tuner cars(excluding most tuned versions of the Cayenne) don't look anything like what I see on a daily basis.

BTW, Click here, there's your real All show-no go cars.

 

[McLaren]

BTW, Click here, there's your real All show-no go cars.

That website is beyond retarded. A Saleen S7 TT is suddenly rice because the Dymags on it are color matched, or the Ford GT is rice because of the targa conversion. There's even a few Novitec cars on there. 👎

Edit*

What's so rice about it? previous CAR next car

1. Giant Wing - yeah we know that something along these lines appeared on the GTS-R/GT2, but those were all white with blue stripes.

 

[RACECAR]

That website is beyond retarded. A Saleen S7 TT is suddenly rice because the Dymags on it are color matched, or the Ford GT is rice because of the targa conversion. There's even a few Novitec cars on there. 👎

Apparently, the Time attack cars are also all rice just because of the way the Chin Spoilers and Wings are so I do call foul on those and the cars you said, but if you've seen most of the others, you'll shake your head in disbelief.

Edit: Hahaha, just found a car delisted as it belonged to a race team. More proof that their definition of Rice is very flawed. Now if only the other 33 cars mistakingly called "rice" could be delisted.

 

[Eric.]

Here's an important point - If <insert any exotic tuner X here> decides to take <insert supercar Y here>, and debut it (and debuting themselves as a tuner for the first time too) at <insert huge Auto Show Z here>, which will draw somebody's eye? Take car Y, put a subtle looking exhaust, improved intake, ECU flash, and maybe some boost, as well as swapping the wheels and putting their own badges on. Or, doing all the above, as well as going all out with visual mods? The second will get attention to the name. If you have what looks like a stock Ferrari F430 with some BBS wheels sitting on a turntable next to one of the Hamaan or other tuners', guess who is going to overlook what looks like the stock car? Tuners want to make money. If you told them you want one of the Enzos in the OP, but without <list of mods you find distasteful>, and you are going to pay them for it, do you think they're going to say no?

tl;dr: Show cars.

 

[Exorcet]

but do you seriously believe that a 2 man operation (I exagerate!) can somehow magically improve on a car that a major manufacturer originally built with almost limitless resources and technollogy?

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Yes, I do believe that the street cars made by high end manufacturers may not be built to go as fast as technologically possible, thus leaving room for tuners increase performance.

It would actually be pretty sad if the Enzo was as close to perfect as Ferrari could get given that cars like the Caparo T1 are running around. Even the most super of super cars is designed to only go so fast, and even the most advanced race cars (F1) are performance limited by race rules. There's probably never been a car that has pushed technology all the way to the edge.

 

[McLaren]

In the case of the Caparo, though, they sacrifice everything to have a "F1-for-the-road" where as Ferrari still do their best to keep the car to satisfy some of the customers' needs.

But, you do still have a point.

 

[magicalgin]

If the Enzo wasn't a limited edition Ferrari, I wouldn't mind them tuning it. But it is.. And it's a shame they did it.

 

[Blitz187]

Yep, that's all they do. Gemballa obviously does not add in sport suspension, or bigger brakes, or engine conversions. Nope. And Edo, my god. Just throwing a big spoiler on a stock Carrera GT with only a little bit of power added.

Yep, nothing more than a "pimp my ride" supercar that obviously is more about flash than power.

I agree that not all tuning houses are good or really improve performance. Mansory being one of them... But you mention Edo there as well... I consider them to be one of the "better" tuners on the block... The example you mention is probably their worst, but you have forgotten to mention their Road legal Race spec Maserati MC12.... Color is whack, but OMG... imagine having that thing as your sunday driver.... Also the street legal FXX...

Next to this they were also the first tuners to my knowledge that took a Murcielago and made it RWD, the way it should be ... when only just recently Lambo brought out their Balboni Gallardo, which is also RWD.... Edo competition has some good cars on their roster and I like the fact that they keep the tupperware to a minimum, focusing solely on performance...

Just a couple of examples...

 

[Dave A]

Blitz, I think McLaren was being a tad sarcastic in response to some other members posts.

 

[RACECAR]

Yeah, it was basically a sarcastic response to one guy who is under the misguided (and missinformed) perception that All those Tuning House companies do is mess up exotics and give addition stuff that doesn't do anything.

 

[Northstar]

That website is beyond retarded. A Saleen S7 TT is suddenly rice because the Dymags on it are color matched, or the Ford GT is rice because of the targa conversion. There's even a few Novitec cars on there. 👎

They also have a stock Veyron on there.

 

[Blitz187]

Blitz, I think McLaren was being a tad sarcastic in response to some other members posts.

Yeah, it was basically a sarcastic response to one guy who is under the misguided (and missinformed) perception that All those Tuning House companies do is mess up exotics and give addition stuff that doesn't do anything.

OOoOPs sorry guys... The sarcasm got by me this time... Sorry McLaren Guess I had a little brain lapse there....

 

[Boffin]

Yes, I do believe that the street cars made by high end manufacturers may not be built to go as fast as technologically possible, thus leaving room for tuners increase performance.

(Slow on the uptake)

Er...There's a very good reason for this. If Ferrari wanted to, they could make 2500hp with the Enzo block - but they don't, because it needs to be useable everyday (to an extent). Everything with cars is a choice in balance. Much like tuning (gear ratios, suspention setup), what a car can do is really balance. If you chuck more power in an Enzo, chances are it will break down/need a service sooner.

What tuner's real task is to increase the performance and handling without ruining useablilty and durability. Its getting to the point where only money is a factor.

Jeremy Clarkson said (I know his word isn't exactly golden, but anyway) that the 599 and the 'vette Z06 are as good as eachother on the track, but where the Ferrari engineering experience and quality came out is on the road because the 599 was much better easier to drive and more comfortable.

 

[Dijital Majik]

If the Enzo wasn't a limited edition Ferrari, I wouldn't mind them tuning it. But it is.. And it's a shame they did it.

The thing is, the car is not Gemballa's own. I understand where you're coming from, I also don't like that they've spoiled (in my opinion) a hyper rare future-classic, but the owner of the car requested the mods.

When this thing hits it's home streets of Dubai, it'll stand out and be recognised in a place where seeing hyper exotics is fairly common, and I guess to that end, the owner's request is fulfilled.

I really hope they don't get their hands on the 25 Enzos they plan to get hold of.

 

[Stotty]

When this thing hits it's home streets of Dubai, it'll stand out and be recognised in a place where seeing hyper exotics is fairly common, and I guess to that end, the owner's request is fulfilled.

I knew I should have added Dubai to the Russian Ganstas and Premier League footballers

And the quote above is exactly the point I was making... 'it'll stand out and be recognised in a place where seeing hyper exotics is fairly common'.

 

[darkos]

Just put some ideas, no matter how ridicules they are. And you will always find some guys who like it.

Even Veyron could be tunned like that. I mean destroyed/butchered!

 

[RACECAR]

1st pic: Now thats how you make a Veyron race car 👍

2nd Pic: Thats how you screw up a Veyron 👎

 

[maximumattack]

But neither of those cars are actually real life cars are they?

 

[RACECAR]

But neither of those cars are actually real life cars are they?

Nope, more then likely alot of photoshopping.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

It seems that people that did not like Gemballa too much were not alone.

Came across this recently: Gemballa bankrupt; boss missing

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ub...rupt-boss-missing-detectives-in-johannesburg/

did not find a thread on this, but did not think it needed its own thread.

 

[maximumattack]

Oh dear, that article has a bit of a sinister feel about it, his cars may have been a bit controversial but I do hope that he is ok.