General TCS/ABS use question

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I'm curious how you guys use these aids when playing. For the most part I never use TCS and set ABS to 1 when I know that a car has it. However, I'm always unsure of whether this is the correct choice with cars such as the R34, 3000GT, or pretty much any other high tech computer managed vehicle.

What I'm looking for is realism, and since I have no time behind the wheel of an R34 I'm not really sure if I'm getting a more authentic experience with or without the aids. So what sorts of settings do you guys use?
 
T500rs + Th8rs Sequential mode
Clutch and H-pattern depends on my mood , mostly with older cars .

ffb at 4
simulation mode
abs 1
everything else off

I'm used to drive ABS0 in GT5 but because the Bodin loadcell not in stock and the ingame RA brake balance menu is kind of buggy I'll wait till its maybe patched before driving ABS0 .
 
I switch TCS off and keep ABS at 1 as you.

I'm also interested in realism and I don't think you should even have the ability to enable TCS in a car like the 250 GTO. For people who want help driving there are already other aids, add one that does what TCS does and name it something else. Then take the TCS option and change the 0-10 scale to the names of that of the original car, like 'Wet' 'Sport' 'Race' 'CT off' 'ESC off' in Ferrari's. And make them correspondingly strong.

And if the traction control actually cannot be turned off in the real car, as might be the case, then I think this should be the case in the game, or at the minimum reflected by the original position of the TCS slider. Then you can turn it of when you've bought the upgraded computer.

All cars don't have Racing Soft tires from the dealership either.
 
Then take the TCS option and change the 0-10 scale to the names of that of the original car, like 'Wet' 'Sport' 'Race' 'CT off' 'ESC off' in Ferrari's. And make them correspondingly strong.

And if the traction control actually cannot be turned off in the real car, as might be the case, then I think this should be the case in the game, or at the minimum reflected by the original position of the TCS slider. Then you can turn it of when you've bought the upgraded computer.

I completely agree with this, I've had the same thought many times. It's so strange to me that a game showcasing the Skyline so prominently, and that was even partially involved in the development of the R35, has glossed over this aspect in such a confusing way. ATTESA was such a huge deal with the 90s era GTRs, from all accounts I've seen it went a long way toward defining their handling.
 
I keep TCS off at all time, but I've played around with it a bit now that I was surprised a few days ago when being told some race cars have it. At a very low setting, it is very different from what it was in GT4 (didn't really use it in GT5), leting some, if not a lot of wheel spin. It's almost very tempting to use it in some cars, but you can get a similar effect if you play around with the LSD settings. But I really keep it off all the time.

As for ABS, well I do the same as you. If the car has it in real life then it's set to 1. If the car doesn't have it in real life, then it's 0.

Example:

All TVR's, Ferrari F40, old cars, special cars like the LCC Rocket or the X-Box (which I suppose they lack ABS) and race cars, after doing proper research to know if they have the assist. Sometimes you can tell by common sense, judging by the car's year, manufacturer or purpose of it.
 
I usually turn both ABS and TC off. I'm faster without TC but probably a bit slower without ABS, but with both aids off the car feels more alive and that makes the game more fun for me.

What's authentic in respect to the real car is a tricky question, because I don't really think the ABS in the game is actually based on how a real ABS works. I see it more as a game aid (kind of like auto-aim in a first person shooter) rather than an accurate model of an ABS system.
 
Both off because online lobbies :(
I would prefer each on 1 because you generally don't encounter a modern car (let alone a powerful modern car) that doesn't have TCS or ABS.

But, since they're not allowed online...
It's kinda like how I turn autoaim off on an FPS - although the game is designed around having it on, you're not allowed to have it on online, so better turn it off at the expense of single-player...
 
I used to set TCS=0 and ABS=1 as many others. Been trying turning off the ABS just recently and found it's very interesting and rewarding. It'd take some time and effort to find the proper bias setting as it varies a lot by different cars and tires. And also a change in driving habit (or even mindset). It's worth. ;)
 
ABS=1, TC=OFF, for the most part.
Having a good LSD tune usually eliminates the need for TCS, but some cars in some instances need the aid.
 
Both off because online lobbies :(
I would prefer each on 1 because you generally don't encounter a modern car (let alone a powerful modern car) that doesn't have TCS or ABS.

But, since they're not allowed online...
It's kinda like how I turn autoaim off on an FPS - although the game is designed around having it on, you're not allowed to have it on online, so better turn it off at the expense of single-player...

Only the case if the host bans them, most rooms allow ABS at the very least.
 
I actually keep a list of cars that does/doesn't have ABS. Obviously, it's not 100% complete or has all the cars since there's no doubt many of them have ABS(like cars from 02 and forward).
 
Unfortunately GTs aids aren't what their real life counterparts are. The ABS is way better than any real life ABS, no real ABS would be that perfect. TCS on the other hand is much worse than modern, well refined traction controls you may find on modern supercars. While in real life a good traction control system will make even the best drivers quicker, it will slow you down in GT no matter what.
 
Pleased to see others commenting here on how they use the aids to go for a realistic experience rather than just an easy one. I too will not use aids on any car that did not have them in real life, it makes driving cars like the F40 & F1 a hairy, but enjoyable experience. Other cars like the 458 and R35 I leave aids on to try and simulate the way they are always on for most settings on the real life cars. In fact, on the R35 I enjoy leaving ASM on, but it's the only car I use anything other than TC and ABS with.

The comment above is spot on, GT's ABS is too good, and it's TC not clever enough, so the realism of these aids is not really quite there. Having said that, you still have to be a very good driver to go lap after lap after lap in a very high powered car with no TC and not make a mistake. Mistakes cost time, and so leaving TC on can often make a driver a little faster over a race distance just because the car is much easier to drive.
 
Only the case if the host bans them, most rooms allow ABS at the very least.
Depends on your region, maybe?

In all the Australian rooms I've seen when looking at the online lobbies;
If it has PP limits then it's got ALL ASSISTS OFF!!!!!!!!!!111111111one rules.
Unsure why.

If EU rooms leave ABS available then maybe I'd like to move to EU...
 
Not region, just mindset of the room, I've encountered rooms from all regions with everything off, and some with everything on, even boost.
 
The comment above is spot on, GT's ABS is too good, and it's TC not clever enough, so the realism of these aids is not really quite there. Having said that, you still have to be a very good driver to go lap after lap after lap in a very high powered car with no TC and not make a mistake. Mistakes cost time, and so leaving TC on can often make a driver a little faster over a race distance just because the car is much easier to drive.

Use whatever helps you. But my experience when learning to drive with TCS=0 years ago was it's easier than you think. TCS masks the gradual grip loss when applying throttle gently. You wont notice the coming point of grip loss as good as with TCS off. So as soon as you learned some throttle control and got beyond that on/off approach, I'd encourage to turn TCS off to get a better feel for it.
 
TCS = 0 ABS = 1 for me with a DFP wheel (although keep looking for a bargin priced G25/27 on ebay but it never happens )
 
Maybe a strange question, but considering the ABS at 1 is so damn strong I can't get lockup for the life of me, what would it do if I changed it to 10? What would that add? Would the car brake by itself? :dopey:
 
Honestly I think some people could really benefit from a list of what assists each car in GT has irl.

But yes... the aids in GT miss the mark quite a bit.
 
Maybe a strange question, but considering the ABS at 1 is so damn strong I can't get lockup for the life of me, what would it do if I changed it to 10? What would that add? Would the car brake by itself? :dopey:

Setting it higher gives you less braking. 1 is basically ABS On and should prevent the wheels from locking, higher settings [according to the description] allow more of the tire grip for cornering which means less of it for braking so while I have not tested to confirm I would expect that stopping distance would get longer as you move up the scale towards 10.

My real car [one of them anyway] has ABS and TCS. ABS prevents the wheels from locking and allows you to stop quickly even in panic mode. It works extremely well. TCS on my car works better than in game. The car will not spin even on ice with the TCS engaged. With it off ... it will light up the tires on dry road with ease. I tested it one day to see how well it worked and on ice I floored it from a dead stop and not even a little spin. The closest I have saw to wheel spin is on gravel and then you just can hear a little slippage when you get on it hard.

Oh and it is definitely faster with TCS off.

In game I use TCS on high powered RWD cars and I do not feel that it makes me slower as they will still break traction even with TCS on but not as easily as they do with it off, makes for a more confident ride around the track and generally I am a bit faster that way. Low power and or fwd,awd I turn it off when I remember
 
Generally no driver aids. ABS(brake assist) is bugged in TT's and free runs so I've only used the TT's for credits. I hate that aspect of GT6.
Otherwise none for any offline racing. Both TC and ABS turn the cars into dead fish in my opinion.

Unless there's some input device issues, I don't see why an experienced driver would want to use either in offline races. It's just so much more involving to drive without aids, you actually have to learn how to brake and accelerate! With ABS 1 braking is simply a matter of stabbing the pedal at your marks, yawn. ABS 0 forces a driver to learn each car's suspension nuances in addition really learning the tracks. Yes that's way more fun to me.

So far I've yet to tune any cars except for adding my weight or dropping down tire grades. And adjusting BB settings. Except for a few cases, ABS 0 works fantastic. TCS for sure is a no-it slows a car down.
 
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Both off because online lobbies :(
I would prefer each on 1 because you generally don't encounter a modern car (let alone a powerful modern car) that doesn't have TCS or ABS.

But, since they're not allowed online...
It's kinda like how I turn autoaim off on an FPS - although the game is designed around having it on, you're not allowed to have it on online, so better turn it off at the expense of single-player...
I never find any rooms where ABS is required to be off, and if you try running it off when everyone else has it on, you pretty much have no chance of staying competitive.
 
I never find any rooms where ABS is required to be off, and if you try running it off when everyone else has it on, you pretty much have no chance of staying competitive.

I used to race in parity format back in GT5, competing against ABS 1 drivers, and I can still compete bumper to bumper, side by side, and win as well. I always host no ABS room as well since GT5 days. Not many, but there is "no ABS" room in GT6.
 
ABS in real life was not originally designed to make a car stop "faster" but allow the driver to turn when braking very hard. Mainly because your average soccer mom only know one reaction to danger on the road, panic and stomp.

The systems have gotten good enough these days that they do compete with even the best drivers in terms of stopping distance but it doesn't necessarily translate that way in game. ABS 1 is the farthest you should ever go in game as after that your simply limiting braking distance.
 
The issue with ABS in GT6 is that it acts as a form of stability control when braking. For example, with ABS on, when downshifting with a h-shifter and the clutch engaged in the game, you will never feel the car "jump" on downshifts if you don't rev match properly. The ABS will auto-blip for you on the downshifts.

It is unfortunate that we don't have an accurate representation of how ABS should function. But until we do, I just turn it off because it gives me a much better and more realistic feel for the car.
 
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