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I would crack a joke (I almost did), but there are watchful eyes..Droptop_ChickTo sustain a drift of that angle, you'd need a magical steering rack.
It is actualy phisicaly possible. I know for a fact one of the first FF drifters in the USA (that I know of); along with many other people; do it on slick surfaces like snow. The fellows name escapes me at the moment. I will find the artical where he talks about doing it. It was so long ago...DRIFTNahhh the good ole days, things never possible in real life COULD be obtained
Droptop_ChickTo sustain a drift of that angle, you'd need a magical steering rack.
d3p0Maximum steering angle doesn't dictate maximum drift angle.
Sloth.7SLWhile I'm at it, do you own an S2000 (Droptop_Chick)?
Even so. I belive that if one were to pass nintey degree point you one could always decrese the angle by lightly tuging on the handbrake (not locking but actualy braking) to slow the rear tires down and letting your front wheels take the lead once again. Stearing only indicates what direction you want the car to go in. There are driving schools that teach you how to start and end four wheel slides through turns in track cars that have modified steering racks that only let the driver turn the half a turn in each direction.henessyI think she means to recover from a drift of that angle.
Mr.CodeEven so. I belive that if one were to pass nintey degree point you one could always decrese the angle by lightly tuging on the handbrake (not locking but actualy braking) to slow the rear tires down and letting your front wheels take the lead once again.
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PSActually, I think if you really wanted to decrease the angle (in a FF car) while in the middle of a drift, you should just let of the gas for a second, allow the tires to regain traction, and then give it a bit of throttle to get the front wheels to help and pull you out of it. Assuming of course you're going at a pretty stable speed, but if you're nearing past the 90 degree mark, you're probably better off mashing the gas while countersteering to have a smoother although less professional looking exit. That's what I've noticed anyway.
G-T-4-FanI think you could do a search for that TOOSloth.7SLWhile I'm at it, do you own an S2000 (Droptop_Chick)?Like 5 other members asked her something about that S2000
She HAS a pic................I think it's pretty obvious then
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Droptop_ChickYes...
Sustaining a drift of that angle will only cut your speed dramamtically. Thats why I don't consider it to be a drift, more of an "oops too much better back off and save it...." Drifting stems off the properties of ideal slip angle. Slowly progressive low angle rotation of the car around a fixed axis or "high speed drift" is what they're calling it now I guess. To achieve the maximum entry and exit speed, slip angle must be cut to a minimum. If you push beyod the 90 degree angle, it's very much so detoromental to your "drift." You loose a large amount of exit speed, controllablilty goes down the drain, and pretty much most of the time if you hit an angle greater than 90 degrees, you've screwed up and it's obvious that you did. Maybe you could hold that ridiculous angle in GT3, but GT4 has changed it up quite abit. If you can hold a drift over 90 degrees and sustain a good entry and exit speed, I'd like to see you try...
Droptop_ChickSustaining a drift of that angle will only cut your speed dramamtically. Thats why I don't consider it to be a drift, more of an "oops too much better back off and save it...." Drifting stems off the properties of ideal slip angle. Slowly progressive low angle rotation of the car around a fixed axis or "high speed drift" is what they're calling it now I guess. To achieve the maximum entry and exit speed, slip angle must be cut to a minimum. If you push beyod the 90 degree angle, it's very much so detoromental to your "drift." You loose a large amount of exit speed, controllablilty goes down the drain, and pretty much most of the time if you hit an angle greater than 90 degrees, you've screwed up and it's obvious that you did. Maybe you could hold that ridiculous angle in GT3, but GT4 has changed it up quite abit. If you can hold a drift over 90 degrees and sustain a good entry and exit speed, I'd like to see you try...
vinsionNow remember, drifting [for most] is about style.
Droptop_ChickI'm all for the looks of it, but there's no point to me if you can't maintain the speed. Oh well, carry on...
Droptop_ChickSustaining a drift of that angle will only cut your speed dramamtically...To achieve the maximum entry and exit speed, slip angle must be cut to a minimum.
SwiftAs Vin said, it's about style. Team FBI has a much faster "style" then most any drifters here. Just remember that there are two different types of drifting. Speed and exhibition. They are as seperate as drift and grip driving themselves.
So if you like speed drifting, cool. I'm more into exihbition, high angle drifting myself.![]()
Sloth.7SL
Rally cars spin out. It's a fact.
That's not a 'noob' question, I know people that have been 'driving' for years and have know idea about slip angles.slo-carnoob question:
can someone explain the difference between the slip angle and the drift angle ? i see you guys referring to both and i have no idea what the slip angle is.
Slip Angles and Handling
Slip angles are very often an overlooked or misunderstood parameter in race car handling. Review this page for a better understanding of slip angles, their impact on handling and how computer software can help you take control of this very important aspect of handling tuning.
SLIP ANGLES
Slip angle is a term used to describe a particular type of flex in tires. Even though the name uses the word "slip," this characteristic has nothing to do with slipping or skidding. Slip angle is a measurement of how much the tire's contact patch has tw isted (steered) in relation to the wheel. A good way to demonstrate this characteristic is to stand beside your car and turn the steering wheel. If you watch the left front wheel, you will see that it steers a few degrees before the tire's contact patch starts to turn. It is not uncommon for this slip angle to be as large as 6 to 10 degrees on the race track.
This characteristics is important, because as long as the tires have traction, the car tries to go where the tires are pointed. So, even though the wheels may not be steering, the tires can be steering due to the slip angle.
HANDLING IMPACT
On a small oval track (3/8ths mile), the tires only need to steer slightly over 3 degrees for the car to travel through the turns (see Ackerman and Racing for more details). On larger race tracks, the tires may need to steer 2 degrees or less. However, that steering can also occur at the rear tires du e to the slip angles.
Often times, in a corner, you will turn the steering wheel a certain number of degrees initially and then need to reduce the steering angle before you reach the apex of the turn. This is because the rear tires are generating a slip angle and some of the steering is taking place at the rear tires. It is even possible to travel through the turn with the steering wheel in the straight forward position because the rear tires are doing all of the steering. Automotive engineers call this condition the "critical speed." On bigger race tracks (1 mile), this turn-in and turn-back characteristic is less pronounced than on short tracks, but when it o ccurs, you'd better be paying attention, 'cause you're about to go for a ride!
Increasing the slip angles at the rear of the car will make the race car looser (oversteer). Likewise, reducing the slip angles at the rear will often be interpreted by the driver as making the race car tighter (understeer).
TAKING CONTROL OF SLIP ANGLES
Weight transfer from the inside tires to the outside tires affects the slip angles. When your race car is in the turns, equally loaded tires will run at smaller slip angles. Conversely, a large difference between the inside tire's load and outside tire's load will cause the slip angle to increase.
Many items on the car (such as springs, spring location, roll centers etc.) have an impact on the weight transfer during a corner. This is where a program such as Computerized Chassis Weights is a great tool. You ca n experiment with changes in the computer and see how the weight transfer will be affected on the car.
Remember, changes that increase the weight transfer are going to increase the slip angle. Changes that reduce the weight transfer will reduce the slip angle. Increasing the slip angles at the rear makes your car looser, and reducing the slip angles (at the rear) will make your car tighter in the corners.
Also, keep in mind that these causes and effects are true as long as the tires have traction. If you drive on oil/water, or for some other reason your tires are already sliding, then you can pretty much forget the items above. Remember, racing can be da ngerous. Always use your best judgment and the best tools!
Mr.CodeThat's not a 'noob' question, I know people that have been 'driving' for years and have know idea about slip angles.
^One of the better (simple) explanations I found on the net.^ Taken from http://www.auto-ware.com/setup/slp_hndl.htm for educational purposes.
Also, if you would like to know more: http://www.msgroup.org/TIP076.html
tarek69thanks for the replies, sorry for the language but meh yeah if there was this topic someone could have put the link or something but wtv i guess i have to keep practicing.
thank you very much. i now understand what slip angle is. 👍Mr.CodeThat's not a 'noob' question, I know people that have been 'driving' for years and have know idea about slip angles.
^One of the better (simple) explanations I found on the net.^ Taken from http://www.auto-ware.com/setup/slp_hndl.htm for educational purposes.
Also, if you would like to know more: http://www.msgroup.org/TIP076.html
No Problem. Both you and Slo-Car are very welcome.SwiftVery nice Mr. Code. Thanks! 👍