Going from DS3 to DFGT question.

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Hey all. My question is: Does driving with a wheel require a different tune than driving with a DS3?I tuned some of my cars with tunes from the tuning section when i was using the DS3. But now, they dont drive the same with my wheel. In example; I got a tune for my Wedsport Celica and i absolutely loved it. Its handling was amazing (at least to me) and i drove it even if i lost (with my DS3). But now, when I drive it with my wheel, its not the same anymore. Can anyone explain it mo me please.
 
you need to get used to the wheel ! It takes some time when i first got my wheel i was well unhappy,I was going to take it back to the shop as it ruined my driving..but i stuck with it and now im 2-3 sec a lap faster with it(plus the manual gears) just stick with it.
 
Deffo stick with it. My lap times dropped 3-4 seconds a lap on most. You get a much smoother driving line ( I always seemed to full left or full right on ds3 )
 
Just takes time, was the same with me in Forza when i made the switch. Could never get higher than a Pro rank, one month with the wheel and i was / is a Veteran ranked racer, plus, aint no comparison with the enjoyment.
 
bought my DFGT about 2 weeks ago .could do nordschliefe in x2010 in 3 min 57 with a ds3 ,,am slowly getting to that standard again ..i found it changed the whole game ,for the better ..love it now ,,,,,

keep trying
 
When I first got mine, I clung on to the reciept, because I was crap with it. Even now, although I 'm much faster on the whole (I golded Vettel Challenge @ Monza) it's still tricky to catch snap oversteer. Once you get into it, it's a whole new game, but yes you might find old tunes don't work the same, especially suspension settings, because the turn in characteristics are different. When I say different, I mean more realistic.
 
I agree, I am slowly getting used to my DFGT, got pretty good with the DS3 and still faster with it at the moment, but the wheel is much more realistic, just have to give it 100% concentration. My prob at the moment is I can't sense the rear sliding, which I can see on the DS3. Its just practice I need.
 
When you first get the wheel, dont expect to be rocket ship fast straight away. Get a reasonable car, a track like suzuka and just slowky build up the speed, dont go flying off from the start, just nice and steady. After a couple of hours, you will be matching your dualshock times, after a few days, you will be beating them, after a few weeks, you will be destroying them.
 
I used a Toyota Vitz at High Speed Ring for when I started using my wheel.
 
Start with slower cars, get the feel and mess around with the FFB settings to find what works best for you. Also, I use both feet, one on gas, one on brake, some people use one for both, but to me, both feet are critical for using a wheel and to get control of your car.

And of course, practice, it is just a new concept, if I had to race with a DS3, I guarantee it would take me a few days to get used to it.
 
Different control methods could certainly require different setup for maximum efficiency, but I doubt most tunes are THAT perfect. Each driver technically should need a different setup as well, if we're talking perfect.

Just stick with it.
 
Obviously with a DS3 your movements are much faster. Throttle/brake and steering inputs are near instantaneous, with a DFGT it's not. I drift with the DS3 because of this. I also believe, although I have nothing to prove this, that GT5 compensates somewhat for DS3 users allowing them to do things you cannot do with a DFGT, like sudden, sharp corrections, normal with a DS3 but you just can't do it with a DFGT, not from a physical standpoint, but sudden sharp movements with a DFGT, produces different results on the screen as opposed to a DS3.

Overall I think you can be just as fast either way, but the wheel is so much more fun and realistic I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
Thank you all for your comments. Once i got my wheel i went straight to Vettel Challenges. I have gold on Monza and Suzuka with my DS3 but couldnt get gold on Nurb. So I figured I'd do it with my wheel. Although I managed silver, i guess thats where my problem started. I should have done what many of you suggested and gone for slower cars. Im going to try and do that now. I'll start with my Cappuccino and work my way back up.
 
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When you first get the wheel, dont expect to be rocket ship fast straight away. Get a reasonable car, a track like suzuka and just slowky build up the speed, dont go flying off from the start, just nice and steady. After a couple of hours, you will be matching your dualshock times, after a few days, you will be beating them, after a few weeks, you will be destroying them.
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well it must of taken me at least 2 months to beat my ds3 times..
 
Ya man I hear some cars you do have to tune a little differently but it's mainly having to get used to the wheel. I bought my wheel when gt2 came out and hated it cause I sucked so bad and now that gt5 is out I still suck with it lol. You need to practice and realize your going to suck for a bit but it will pay off in the long run. If not you will end up like me with a expensive piece of furniture that takes up a lot of room and can do nothing
 
The other thing I forgot to mention earlier, make sure your wheel is mounted/positioned properly, meaning-

Arm position, you should be able to sit in your chair/sofa and straighten your arms to where your wrist is even with the wheel.

Pedals, when pressing the pedals, make sure your knees still have a bend in them.

Not sure what you are mounting your wheel too, so these are just suggestions that I have learned from other drivers, it is sometimes hard to get all of these positions due to different household scenarios, but with a little modification of furniture or making your own, can work wonders for improving your driving skills.

Since the DFGT has pretty decent FFB, a sturdy mounting area is important too, you do not want your set up shaking and moving while driving.
 
I bought a g27 about 2 weeks ago, and some people are correct that not all the tunes will work as well as the ds3. The reason being is the steering ratio. Example, when fully turning left with the ds3 you must turn the wheel left to the point where it stops to get the same thing (or just about). This can be quit difficult especially when traveling at high speeds. :crazy:

I'd suggest driving lower PP cars with stock or near stock tires to become the better driver like some others said. It will suck at first, but will pay off in the long run. Then when using racing tires again (if you wish to) you'll become much more relaxed and understand it better. 💡

To answer your question, yes. You will need to change some (or most) tunes to get the driving feel you once knew, but will be way more "eff'n awesome" lol 👍
 
Everyone here is pretty much right, with some cars you may need to change the setup a little, but it all comes down to how much practice you put in. When I first got my DFGT is kinda pissed me off, but right now I working on getting a G27 because driving with a wheel is so much more fun
 
Thx for your help guys. I have the DFGT mounted on a Wheelstand Pro. Its awesome and I highly recommend it. The problem about the tunes i have is that theyre from the tuning forum. That means I dont know if they were tuned with a wheel or a DS3. i guess i need to start tuning my own cars. They have great guides so I'll have to work at it.
 
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Thx for your help guys. I have the DFGT mounted on a Wheelstand Pro. Its awesome and I highly recommend it. The problem about the tunes i have is that theyre from the tuning forum. That means I dont know if they were tuned with a wheel or a DS3. i guess i need to start tuning my own cars. They have great guides so I'll have to work at it.
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Some tunes in the tuning forum are offline tunes. I think unless it specifies online, you should assume it's an offline tune.
 
XxThePiff
Hey all. My question is: Does driving with a wheel require a different tune than driving with a DS3?I tuned some of my cars with tunes from the tuning section when i was using the DS3. But now, they dont drive the same with my wheel. In example; I got a tune for my Wedsport Celica and i absolutely loved it. Its handling was amazing (at least to me) and i drove it even if i lost (with my DS3). But now, when I drive it with my wheel, its not the same anymore. Can anyone explain it mo me please.
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I have found that I had to re-tune some cars after I got a dfgt. For example the Toyota GT-One I was using in a racing series. With a controller it felt perfect and the tire wear was acceptable, then when I got my wheel the handling felt way too tight and every time I made sharp turns, instead of spinning out like with the ds3, the front tires just went full red and before long they were down to nothing.

Basically I had to change my driving style and make adjustments to the suspension once I got used to the wheel. At first it's hard to tell if it's you or the car once you start racing with the wheel but after awhile you'll be able to tell.
 
XxThePiff
Hey all. My question is: Does driving with a wheel require a different tune than driving with a DS3?I tuned some of my cars with tunes from the tuning section when i was using the DS3. But now, they dont drive the same with my wheel. In example; I got a tune for my Wedsport Celica and i absolutely loved it. Its handling was amazing (at least to me) and i drove it even if i lost (with my DS3). But now, when I drive it with my wheel, its not the same anymore. Can anyone explain it mo me please.
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It's because with a DS3 the suspention settings on the left side of the screen (height, dampers, antiroll) have no tangible effect, where as with a wheel you will definitevely feel these chages.

Good example of this would be driving on La Sarthe, with DS3 you'll maybe feel a vibration every now and then, with DFGT the wheel will be jerkin pretty much non-stop because of all the bumps.

Alao go to settings and put the wheel on Simulation mode, turn on the 2nd option (cant remember the name) and put force feedback at 5 (should be default).
 
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It's because with a DS3 the suspention settings on the left side of the screen (height, dampers, antiroll) have no tangible effect, where as with a wheel you will definitevely feel these chages.

Alao go to settings and put the wheel on Simulation mode, turn on the 2nd option (cant remember the name) and put force feedback at 5 (should be default).
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Simulation mode does not work with DFGT. You'll notice when you select it, it's not one of the wheels up above it that's lit up...it's dark. Some people think it makes a difference but it has no effect.

Why do you say the left side of the suspension has no effect on DS3? I don't use a DS3 but for drifting, but I've always felt the game handles things for drivers differently if they have a DS3 as opposed to a wheel? Is this an official PD thing or just from your own experience?
 

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