Gold times are sometimes easy. Platinum anyone?

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Gold times are sometimes easy. Should we have Platinum times? The challenge of Gold times are good, but sometimes are easily attainable. Do you think there should be a Platinum award time for those of us that continue to improve and need the extra challenge?
 
No. Nothing wrong with the gold times. The "platinum" times are essentially seeing your name at the top of the leaderboard when the event is over.
 
I agree, there's nothing wrong with Gold times, but wouldn't it be good if you were rewarded extra for your better than average abilities?
 
For offline, the gold times are just fine.

For online, the gold times are obviously more lenient.

I do like the idea, though...
 
For most of the offline races gold isn't so hard.... although there are a few notable exceptions. Some of the golds could stand to be a little more difficult, but a few of them are a bit much.
 
geoffmallan
I agree, there's nothing wrong with Gold times, but wouldn't it be good if you were rewarded extra for your better than average abilities?
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I think its a balancing act. If you make the game more difficult people may quit it sooner and not want to improve at it. Make it too easy and people will get bored.
 
It would be an easy way to prolong the attraction of the game for some. Once i get Gold, i move onto the next challenge. If there was then a Platinum time to go for with obvious credit reward, i'd be hammering those events into the small hours, just to get "that" Platinum time.
 
geoffmallan
It would be an easy way to prolong the attraction of the game for some. Once i get Gold, i move onto the next challenge. If there was then a Platinum time to go for with obvious credit reward, i'd be hammering those events into the small hours, just to get "that" Platinum time.
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And how would that be any different than it is now? You'll just get 4 levels instead of two. You'll get platinum, and then move on. The gold times aren't decreed to PD by some shadowy being from another dimension, they are the times that they think show a high level of skill at a challenge. They'll just set platinum times to what gold is now.

You're right, some golds are way too easy, and others aren't. Why that is the case, only the developers can answer. If you add a harder level to the ones that are easy now, what happens to the challenges that are difficult to gold?

What I'm trying to say is that the issue is not the color of the medal, but rather that the targets are so inconsistent.
 
Morgoth_666
What I'm trying to say is that the issue is not the color of the medal, but rather that the targets are so inconsistent.
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This.

Lets use the NASCAR special at Daytona as an example of a borderline impossible mess.

But a better example of inconsistency lies in the AMG Academy.... The whole lap run for the intermediate level run is ridiculously difficult in comparison to the rest of the AMG Academy tests. Right now my best is about five seconds off of gold in that one, but then I go to the next higher set and I beat the whole lap run by about seven seconds on my very first try.

Maybe I'm just exceptionally good at driving in the rain or something.
 
Short Bus
This.
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But a better example of inconsistency lies in the AMG Academy.... The whole lap run for the intermediate level run is ridiculously difficult in comparison to the rest of the AMG Academy tests. Right now my best is about five seconds off of gold in that one, but then I go to the next higher set and I beat the whole lap run by about seven seconds on my very first try.

Maybe I'm just exceptionally good at driving in the rain or something.
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I turned a 6:59 on the intermediate run just the other day while finishing the event, gold by over 4 seconds. Hell of a fun lap too, only touched the grass when forced off by traffic. But most of the wet AMG tests do seem to be easier, probably because driving in the wet is hard.

That brings up another point... mass market games like GT5 tend to be very afraid of setting challenges that "the average player" can't achieve with some effort. Not that I'm suggesting anything about my meager skill or anyone else's, of course. :)
 
Geoff, have you had a look over at the GTP Weekly Race Series (WRS)? It's a series of time trials against some (not all) of the faster drivers around. Many of the Division 1 drivers are GT Academy finalists in their respective regions, so it's a good measure and a great place to learn.

Have a look here as a starting point, and then here for the qualifier 👍
 
I think every game should have hidden "platinum" levels to reach for everything, with bonus.
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Seriously, hidden platinum things are sweet, racing games usually don't have them, and they're the one place I could get them easiest.
 
People would quit a game if they're not good enough to win something called platinum in a time trial? What theory is that?

The gold times are too easy. Platinum would definately make me more interested in it IF they were much harder than the gold times. I stopped doing the time trials because to win gold I just had to choose the car to use and make one lap. No fun or challenge in that and I know lots of people who are faster than me.
 
that would be a superb update for license tests.

and for those who think it may lead to some users getting frustrated, racing is frustrating. Moreover, there are already several special events that less than 0.1% of players can gold.

it could work with seasonal events too, but not to that extent because those are removed from time to time.
The best solution would be that PD re introduces all of them to the game with platinium times, including all TTs, seasonal special events and so on, but obviously without the leaderboard or adding a second separate one.
 
CSLACR
I think every game should have hidden "platinum" levels to reach for everything, with bonus.
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Seriously, hidden platinum things are sweet, racing games usually don't have them, and they're the one place I could get them easiest.
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+1

I was thinking the same thing, it would not be shown and should be much closer to the top times.
 
To re-cap:

I never said all Golds were easy, there are a handfull that i don't have yet.

Golds should obviously stay the same and give the same ticket rewards keeping GT as intended (apart from the obvious ones that are a nightmare)

I was suggesting Platinum could reward those that choose to better their abilities, that's all.

I wasn't suggesting i was so good that i needed Platinum, i just thought it would be a nice touch?

I imagine the few Golds that a lot of people find very difficult would be very easy to pin point and could be re classified to Platinum, setting a new Gold time giving more parity to the rest of the Golds?

Please don't take this thread as a way for me to boast that i think most Golds are easy, I'm struggling with a few of them and I know I'm that I'm not very good anyway. I love GT and have done since GT1. It's way of escape.

Long live Gran Turismo and GTP!!!!
 
geoffmallan
To re-cap:

I never said all Golds were easy, there are a handfull that i don't have yet.

Golds should obviously stay the same and give the same ticket rewards keeping GT as intended (apart from the obvious ones that are a nightmare)

I was suggesting Platinum could reward those that choose to better their abilities, that's all.

I wasn't suggesting i was so good that i needed Platinum, i just thought it would be a nice touch?

I imagine the few Golds that a lot of people find very difficult would be very easy to pin point and could be re classified to Platinum, setting a new Gold time giving more parity to the rest of the Golds?

Please don't take this thread as a way for me to boast that i think most Golds are easy, I'm struggling with a few of them and I know I'm that I'm not very good anyway. I love GT and have done since GT1. It's way of escape.

Long live Gran Turismo and GTP!!!!
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There are Golds in every GT game that take hours/days to get.

Here would be what I would like, take the event "Grand Tour - Eiger Nordwand"

That is one of the harder golds but a Platinum would be a time of 15.500 or better (maybe 14 or better? then only the really fast guys or Aliens could get it right off the bat the rest of use would have to spend more time practicing/mastering the race ).
I think the Platinum time should give even the "Fast Guys" a good challenge.
 
carracerptp
There are Golds in every GT game that take hours/days to get.

Here would be what I would like, take the event "Grand Tour - Eiger Nordwand"

That is one of the harder golds but a Platinum would be a time of 15.500 or better (maybe 14 or better? then only the really fast guys or Aliens could get it right off the bat the rest of use would have to spend more time practicing/mastering the race ).
I think the Platinum time should give even the "Fast Guys" a good challenge.
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Exactly!!! :)
 
The online events do seem relatively easy, but personally I would prefer if you couldn't downtune a car to compete in them, it's getting a little tired seeing the usual suspects on the leaderboards (that Suzuki for example) and is a nice challenge with a stock car within the PP out of the box.

As for the Seasonal races, perhaps they need to mix up a few more "advanced" events like the really early events and the ones a while back with the 500, Impreza, Elise etc. They were cool (and annoyingly I didn't complete them and now I can't revisit them as they have been removed...sniff)
 
seanneedscar
If you think getting all golds is easy, you need to leave the house asap
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Very few in GT5 are what I'd call "hard".
But I guess that's the view people find for pretty much every video game when they can't get the top awards, isn't it?

carracerptp
+1

I was thinking the same thing, it would not be shown and should be much closer to the top times.
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IIRC, previous GT games had platinum license times. That would be super.
 
CSLACR
Very few in GT5 are what I'd call "hard".
But I guess that's the view people find for pretty much every video game when they can't get the top awards, isn't it?
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So you're the type that golded Grand Tour - Eiger Nordwand on your first try :sly:

The only two that killed me was the cone slalom, so hard with a DS3.
When I finally got a wheel it was MUCH easier not even a challenge.
And that Redbull challenge....... DS3, wheel, anything, just hate it.
I think the game could use a Gold(with wheel time) and a Gold(with DS3 time). The platinum would be the same for all.
CSLACR
IIRC, previous GT games had platinum license times. That would be super.
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Was it in GT4? That was the only other GT game I had and I don't remember it.
 
carracerptp
So you're the type that golded Grand Tour - Eiger Nordwand on your first try :sly:

The only two that killed me was the cone slalom, so hard with a DS3.
When I finally got a wheel it was MUCH easier not even a challenge.
And that Redbull challenge....... DS3, wheel, anything, just hate it.
I think the game could use a Gold(with wheel time) and a Gold(with DS3 time). The platinum would be the same for all.

Was it in GT4? That was the only other GT game I had and I don't remember it.
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GT1, not sure about 2,3, or 4, I don't remember 2 and 3 very well, 4 did not have them IIRC.

Grand Tour Eiger is a bit hard(not to bad), and the Toscana in the Lambo at dark is hard, full-lap AMG challenge, and a few licenses made me try 5-10 times, and the Vettel challanges are obviously all very difficult. I Think I still need gold at Suzuka.
Other then that pretty much all first time tries for me.
 
CSLACR
GT1, not sure about 2,3, or 4, I don't remember 2 and 3 very well, 4 did not have them IIRC.

Grand Tour Eiger is a bit hard(not to bad), and the Toscana in the Lambo at dark is hard, full-lap AMG challenge, and a few licenses made me try 5-10 times, and the Vettel challanges are obviously all very difficult. I Think I still need gold at Suzuka.
Other then that pretty much all first time tries for me.
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"a bit hard" that one was last one I did, I gave up (months ago, GT5 just came out), came back 3 weeks ago and did it after 5 tries.
Toscana in the Lambo - That is hard, I gave up on passing the cars cleanly.
AMG challenge - Funny, I did it all on the first try..... OK so I might have spent the better part of my GT4 time on the ring, and I love the rain.
 
Wouldn't actual online leaderboards for each race or event be better? With the option to assort them according to DS3 vs wheel, or manual vs standard, your own country, your friends, etc. You could then set percentile times for yourself: times that would get you into the top 1%, 5%, 10%, and so on so that you could aim for something in your skill range and slowly progress.
 
carracerptp
"a bit hard" that one was last one I did, I gave up (months ago, GT5 just came out), came back 3 weeks ago and did it after 5 tries.
Toscana in the Lambo - That is hard, I gave up on passing the cars cleanly.
AMG challenge - Funny, I did it all on the first try..... OK so I might have spent the better part of my GT4 time on the ring, and I love the rain.
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Only the dry full lap. Everything was first or second try, but I couldn't get through traffic easy enough on the dry full lap, took me a while.:mad:

Hastatus
Wouldn't actual online leaderboards for each race or event be better? With the option to assort them according to DS3 vs wheel, or manual vs standard, your own country, your friends, etc. You could then set percentile times for yourself: times that would get you into the top 1%, 5%, 10%, and so on so that you could aim for something in your skill range and slowly progress.
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That would be great. I know some other games that have this for a ton of 'events".
 
I wouldn't mind so long as it didn't count towards game completion or extra trophies. :)
 

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