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I really want to learn the play the guitar and I am looking for a good beginner guitar. I'd prefer a package deal with a guitar, amp, bag, etc...

I did a quick Google search and came up with this Amazon page. It lists several packages and pretty cheap prices.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/104-9118129-3910365?_encoding=UTF8&node=11971401

Are any of these worth looking into? I see some packages that are around $130 and then some that go to nearly $400.

I'm sure "you get what you pay for," so are any of these packages worth looking into for someone who has never played before?

Keep in mind that my budget can't go over $400 max.
 
my first guitar I got in a package deal, came with a squier strat guitar, a fender frontman 15G amp, electric tuner, headphones, strap, case, strings, music book and picks...it was just a little over 300 Canadian...and it was great, I highly recomend it for a starter guitar 👍
 
some of those acoustic guitars on amazon are really cheap. is it normal for them to be that cheap? im just asking because im interested in an acoustic guitar.
 
Solid Lifters
Those package deal guitars are terrible.

Are they really that bad?

For a little extra than 400 bucks, you could have these two items. The guitar is pretty damn good for the money. They play very well, for a cheap guitar, and it looks awesome.

The amp sounds good, and is an excellent beginner guitar amp. My son owns one.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/516072/

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/482255/


Thanks for the links. I'll deffinately check them out. 👍

Also, would it be wise to look at some used guitars at a local music store?
 
den brakke
I am looking for a base guitar, I was thinking about a Warwic Corvette 4string. Do they have a good price/quality balance?

remember, BASS. :)

are you learning or have you got some experience?
 
Integra Type R
Are they really that bad?
My advice is that, if you're really serious about this, think about spending a bit more money and get something better instead of buying the cheapest thing available. Because just a few months into guitar playing you'll be wanting something better, something at least average and you'll end up spending much more money that way.


Edit:
I'm a little off right now to what's going on in the guitar scene, but Epiphone would be a good choice. For average guitars at least, it's better than Ibanez (imo).
 
den brakke
I am looking for a base guitar, I was thinking about a Warwic Corvette 4string. Do they have a good price/quality balance?

Remeber corvette is a model line, there are a bunch different versions within it. You can go for a bottom of the line one that'll set you back ~$600/$700 or an fna or proline that'll get near $2k.

I'm looking at them now.
 
xcsti
Remeber corvette is a model line, there are a bunch different versions within it. You can go for a bottom of the line one that'll set you back ~$600/$700 or an fna or proline that'll get near $2k.

I'm looking at them now.

I'm talking about the Standard. $600/$700 you say, does it cost more as a left hand model? Or don't they make em like that?
 
den brakke
I'm talking about the Standard. $600/$700 you say, does it cost more as a left hand model? Or don't they make em like that?

The list will probably be more but you can find them much cheaper. I have no idea how much more it would be for a left handed version, pako knows alot more about equipment than I do. He could probable give you a straight answer.
 
chinko
remember, BASS. :)

are you learning or have you got some experience?

*shame* :ouch: I have a friend who has an old Rickenbacker 4004 wich I can play sometimes. It's a very good but expensive bassguitar. The problem is that I cant buy it or take it home because it's some sort of familypiece, and it's a right hand model so the strings need to be placed up side down (like Jimmy Hendriks used to do before he rialised that you can buy left hand guitars :) ) and I sometimes hit those buttons to control the tone and volume and stuff wich is not fun. But it is a very good bass (Cliff Burton played one in the early days) and I don't think i'l ever play on anything with more value but I just cant play it enough to get good at it. That's why I need my own bass and amp.
 
xcsti
The list will probably be more but you can find them much cheaper. I have no idea how much more it would be for a left handed version, pako knows alot more about equipment than I do. He could probable give you a straight answer.

I started looking on Ebay a few months ago and you realy can find some interesting deals there. Maybe I can find a cheap bass there, it does'nt have to be a Warwick but if I would buy a new one it would probably be a Corvette.


And I think I am hijacking this thread. :O
 
Integra Type R
Also, would it be wise to look at some used guitars at a local music store?
Used guitars are just like used cars. You can get a great deal, or you can get something that just looks like a great deal. If you know somebody who plays, bring him into the store with you and have him check it out.\

I bought a used Gibson L6-S many years ago. It's a nice enough guitar but not in perfect shape, and it's needed a new pickup since I bought it. I didn't pay a lot, but these days I'd be tempted to buy new since the quality of cheap guitars has risen dramatically in the last 10-15 years.

I like Squire Strats myself, but the OLP that Lifters posted looks like a nice machine.
 
den brakke
... it's a right hand model so the strings need to be placed up side down (like Jimmy Hendriks used to do before he rialised that you can buy left hand guitars :)

*shame* Its Jimi Hendrix (or James Marshall Hendricks as he was born). He actually knew about lefty guitars (as if he wouldn't being soo into guitars) but liked right handed strats better as he had gotten used to where the whammy/knobs/tuners etc were, and preferred it. Gibson did make him a left-handed Flying V near the end of his career (after he already owned 2 right handed ones), and that was the only left-handed guitar he ever played a great deal. (although I think the whammy was still reversed at his request... not quite sure of this, I haven't seen a pic of this guitar for ages!). :)


BTW The best beginner's guitar is one that is absolutely the best quality and sound one can afford. You pretty much get what you pay for in my experience (and I am experienced). I started out on a Squier Strat (but a Japanese built one), and that was when they seemed a little better in quality than the (Korean built?) ones these days... it served me perfectly well (good neck, decent whammy if you set it up right...), just sounded a little thin with the crap pickups. IMO beginner guitarists have it SOO much better these days, there are a LOT of very good quality budget guitars/amps to choose from, its definately more confusing than when I started playing! :drool:
 
Integra Type R
Solid, I know you said that the package deals aren't very good, but Ibanez and Epiphone are respectable companies, correct?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/s=electric/search/detail/base_pid/519658/

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/s=electric/search/detail/base_pid/518677/

They seem like good deals and from respectable brands, but if they're not, please steer me away.
No, I wouldn't get those at all. Here's why.

One, they're made by the same people. They build different shaped guitars and put a big company name on them, but they're made by the same company. Two, not a lot of time or money is spent on the guitar. They just slap the parts together, put some strings on it, if it makes some sounds, they send it out. They don't do any setup, of fine detail work on them. Three, the resale value of the guitar is really low if you decide to sell it. What if you can't handle playing the guitar? So, you decide to sell it. You wont get a lot of offers for one of those "beginner" guitars, that's for sure. You'll have much better luck with the EVH OLP guitar I showed you. The word is speading, that this is one fine guitar. Plus, people are buying them to paint like EVH's Frankenstrat or 5150 guitar. So, if you decide to sell it, you'll get a decent price for it. Same goes for the amp I pointed out. It has a decent clean tone, and good overdrive tones. No, it won't win any awards, but it's a lot better than those small amp combos you get with those guitar package deals.

I, personally don't like Ibanez and I can't stand Epiphone. I've come across some nicely made Epiphone guitars, and some absolute stinkers. Their quality can really suck. I don't recommend them unless you have a good eye for a good guitar which you don't have since you're a beginner.

I really can't tell you what guitar to buy, for that matter, nobody can. We all have different tastes when it comes to guitar. Both for how they feel, play and how they sound.

How a guitar plays, or feels, to you is very important. If you don't like how it feels, you wont play it as often and learning will be difficult. Hand comfort is paramount. What scale (length of neck) do you prefer? How many frets (22 to 24 typically) do you like to play with? Both the scale and the number of frets determine how the guitar feels to your freting hand. Long scale, (25.5") with 21 or 22 frets mean the fret size is considered "jumbo" or very large. That means you'll need to stretch you fingers out more when playing, and that could mean discomfort if you have small hands or stubby fingers. Or, short scale (24") with 24 frets mean the frets will be small, meaning you'll be playing in a very tight position on the fingerboard which would be a discomfort if you have large hands with long fingers. Fret wire that make up the frets come into different sizes, too. Do you like small, mediium or large fret wire? That can effect the feel of the guitar also. Get it? Also, neck radius (arch of fingerboard; Larger number means a flatter fingerboard, and a smaller number means a more rounded fingerboard), neck width and thickness aslo play into this. Do you like laminated necks, or nonlaminated (recent trend) necks?

To be honest, you shouldn't be too concerned on how it sounds. But, is there a type of music that you prefer? Single coil, and humbucker pickup guitars sound very different. So, are you into a fatter, warmer sounding guitar (humbucker), or a thiner, brighter sounding guitar (single coil)? Are metal, country, classic rock, or jazz an interest to you? Again, this shouldn't be you main concern, but more of something to look out for.

I would go into a guitar shop, and ask to see some beginner electric guitars. Ask questions about the neck scale, radius, etc. and see which one is more comfortable to you. But, like I said before, the OLP EVH clone is cathing a lot of good press lately, and I wouldn't be surprised if the price on them goes up.

Whatever you decide, you'll need to play almost every day and building up finger strength takes some time. Be prepared to comit to it every day, or you'll never learn to play. Once you learn, you'll need to play almost every day to keep your fingers strong, and flexable and to keep your fingertip calouses. It won't be easy, but the rewards are awesome.

Good luck, and I hope this helps.
 
Hey Solid,

I'm keen to get into electric guitars. I currently have an acoustic guitar (not sure if it's a classical or not) and I'm getting sick of the way electric songs sound on a classical guitar.

Can you recommend any online references or books that I can read up? I prefer to have a bit of knowledge behind me before I make the commitment to buying and so I don't I fall victim to the music store vulture like workers.

Thanks!
 
I never learned by reading books. I learned here and there as I went along in the past twenty plus years. So, I don't know of any books in particular, sorry.

But, here is a list of guitar related websites I like to visit that might be some help.

http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/
http://www.jammit-music.com/home.htm
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/tutorial9.htm
http://www.fretnotguitarrepair.com/Repairs.htm
http://warmoth.com/ (Best One To Start With)
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Accessories.html
http://chordfind.com/ (For learning chords)

I'd start with Warmoth, and go through the steps of building your own guitar, It explains just about everything to you.
 
Solid Lifters
No, I wouldn't get those at all. Here's why.

One, they're made by the same people. They build different shaped guitars and put a big company name on them, but they're made by the same company. Two, not a lot of time or money is spent on the guitar. They just slap the parts together, put some strings on it, if it makes some sounds, they send it out. They don't do any setup, of fine detail work on them. Three, the resale value of the guitar is really low if you decide to sell it. What if you can't handle playing the guitar? So, you decide to sell it. You wont get a lot of offers for one of those "beginner" guitars, that's for sure. You'll have much better luck with the EVH OLP guitar I showed you. The word is speading, that this is one fine guitar. Plus, people are buying them to paint like EVH's Frankenstrat or 5150 guitar. So, if you decide to sell it, you'll get a decent price for it. Same goes for the amp I pointed out. It has a decent clean tone, and good overdrive tones. No, it won't win any awards, but it's a lot better than those small amp combos you get with those guitar package deals.

I, personally don't like Ibanez and I can't stand Epiphone. I've come across some nicely made Epiphone guitars, and some absolute stinkers. Their quality can really suck. I don't recommend them unless you have a good eye for a good guitar which you don't have since you're a beginner.

I really can't tell you what guitar to buy, for that matter, nobody can. We all have different tastes when it comes to guitar. Both for how they feel, play and how they sound.

How a guitar plays, or feels, to you is very important. If you don't like how it feels, you wont play it as often and learning will be difficult. Hand comfort is paramount. What scale (length of neck) do you prefer? How many frets (22 to 24 typically) do you like to play with? Both the scale and the number of frets determine how the guitar feels to your freting hand. Long scale, (25.5") with 21 or 22 frets mean the fret size is considered "jumbo" or very large. That means you'll need to stretch you fingers out more when playing, and that could mean discomfort if you have small hands or stubby fingers. Or, short scale (24") with 24 frets mean the frets will be small, meaning you'll be playing in a very tight position on the fingerboard which would be a discomfort if you have large hands with long fingers. Fret wire that make up the frets come into different sizes, too. Do you like small, mediium or large fret wire? That can effect the feel of the guitar also. Get it? Also, neck radius (arch of fingerboard; Larger number means a flatter fingerboard, and a smaller number means a more rounded fingerboard), neck width and thickness aslo play into this. Do you like laminated necks, or nonlaminated (recent trend) necks?

To be honest, you shouldn't be too concerned on how it sounds. But, is there a type of music that you prefer? Single coil, and humbucker pickup guitars sound very different. So, are you into a fatter, warmer sounding guitar (humbucker), or a thiner, brighter sounding guitar (single coil)? Are metal, country, classic rock, or jazz an interest to you? Again, this shouldn't be you main concern, but more of something to look out for.

I would go into a guitar shop, and ask to see some beginner electric guitars. Ask questions about the neck scale, radius, etc. and see which one is more comfortable to you. But, like I said before, the OLP EVH clone is cathing a lot of good press lately, and I wouldn't be surprised if the price on them goes up.

Whatever you decide, you'll need to play almost every day and building up finger strength takes some time. Be prepared to comit to it every day, or you'll never learn to play. Once you learn, you'll need to play almost every day to keep your fingers strong, and flexable and to keep your fingertip calouses. It won't be easy, but the rewards are awesome.

Good luck, and I hope this helps.



Thanks for all the great info, Solid. 👍 I'll see if I can go to a local guitar shop soon. :)
 
I'd say get a mexican strat for a first guitar if you can stretch to it (recently playede one, amazed by how close to a US one it sounds... change the pickups down the line and you don't need to upgrade properly for a LONG time...). A LOT of guitar for the money. The tone is lost on a lifeless digital amp however. I really advise against the Line6 stuff... It just doesn't react like a guitar amp should...

For a beginner, ignore all the stuff about scale lengths and fingerboard radiuses, and just work out what style of music you wanna play and get something that feels good and can get close to the type of tone you like. Too much technical stuff will confuse the beginners, I recommending just going by 'feel' entirely!
 
James2097
I'd say get a mexican strat for a first guitar if you can stretch to it (recently playede one, amazed by how close to a US one it sounds... change the pickups down the line and you don't need to upgrade properly for a LONG time...). A LOT of guitar for the money. The tone is lost on a lifeless digital amp however. I really advise against the Line6 stuff... It just doesn't react like a guitar amp should...

For a beginner, ignore all the stuff about scale lengths and fingerboard radiuses, and just work out what style of music you wanna play and get something that feels good and can get close to the type of tone you like. Too much technical stuff will confuse the beginners, I recommending just going by 'feel' entirely!
If anything is confusing to beginners, it's you.

How can they differentiate from guitar to guitar if they have no idea what to feel for? Yet, you suggest they go by "feel?"

Why would you suggest a guitar that cost as much, and even more, than what he's willing to spend on both amp and guitar?

Why suggest a tube amp for a beginner when you claim looking out for a guitar's neck demensions is "...too much technical stuff..." when tube amps can be very difficult to own and operate?

Why suggest Line 6 amps are horrible for beginners when they suit them perfectly? You think a beginner should start off on a Top Hat, or something? The cheapest tube amp would cost around $450, yet you fail to listen when he said he can only spend around $400.

He's a beginner! He doesn't need a Fender! He doesn't need a tube amp! He doesn't need to spend nearly 1,000 bucks just to get started. Besides, the only decent sounding Fender is the American Deluxe Strat, and that costs 1,200 bucks.

If fact, the Line 6 Spider amp I suggest might be too much for him. I say, get a Peavey Blazer. It's a 8" combo, and has a lot less features, but it costs about 70 cheaper. Plus, it's built like a tank and will last for decades. I have the Rage, the previous model, and it still sounds like a modern amp, and there ain't a tube in sight of it.
 
Solid Lifters
If anything is confusing to beginners, it's you.

How can they differentiate from guitar to guitar if they have no idea what to feel for? Yet, you suggest they go by "feel?"

Why would you suggest a guitar that cost as much, and even more, than what he's willing to spend on both amp and guitar?

Why suggest a tube amp for a beginner when you claim looking out for a guitar's neck demensions is "...too much technical stuff..." when tube amps can be very difficult to own and operate?

Why suggest Line 6 amps are horrible for beginners when they suit them perfectly? You think a beginner should start off on a Top Hat, or something? The cheapest tube amp would cost around $450, yet you fail to listen when he said he can only spend around $400.

He's a beginner! He doesn't need a Fender! He doesn't need a tube amp! He doesn't need to spend nearly 1,000 bucks just to get started. Besides, the only decent sounding Fender is the American Deluxe Strat, and that costs 1,200 bucks.

If fact, the Line 6 Spider amp I suggest might be too much for him. I say, get a Peavey Blazer. It's a 8" combo, and has a lot less features, but it costs about 70 cheaper. Plus, it's built like a tank and will last for decades. I have the Rage, the previous model, and it still sounds like a modern amp, and there ain't a tube in sight of it.


They (a beginner) will still know which neck fits around their hand best and is easiest to play. Thats all I mean by 'feel'. They will naturally choose the guitar with the right radius/scale length/neck shape etc just because it will feel the best for their hand. Hence not needing to be obsessed over particular dimensions etc... They might not know WHY one guitar feels better than another, but all they need to know is that it does.

I never said the mex strat would be the best bet for this particular beginner, I approached the thread from a general "what are good cheap guitars that are excellent value" point of view, as others that are beginning may view this thread also. I mentioned the strat because I'd recently played one and it is way under half the price of a US Fender, with 90% of the tone. A little too shrill sounding up the neck, but still amazing value.

I also assumed he might not be able to stretch to the Fender. However, I do know the value of starting on quality instruments, and would recommend getting the very best you can afford at the time. There is nothing that will put off a beginner as quickly as a difficult playing, bad sounding guitar that can't hold its tune and gets fret buzz etc...(I know - worst case scenario, most gear these days is okay build quality). The better the gear, the more inspired the player will be to get the best from it...

I never said the word "tube". You invented that. Obviously they are the ideal, but nearly any combo in the price range of a Line 6 spider gives a better tone. Even a cheap solidstate Marshall (terrible clean sound however), Peavey, Crate, Fender, etc will sound better IMO. To me, Line 6 stuff sounds like a cheap yamaha synthesizer, loads of sounds, none of them sound satisfying to play for any length of time. Yes, fun to fiddle with, but just not my cup of tea. I'm over the gimmickry and trade off on tone for variety. If you like them, good on ya. I hear a very specific digitalness (deadness, way less upper harmonics in the tone, no sustain...) and unresponsiveness to the way the Line6 plays... I get no satisfaction from playing through one. But again, they have variety. Many people evidently like PODs etc, so maybe they don't mind (or can't hear) that they really sound strangely dead, and you might not care when the guitar part is hidden in the mix of some cover band. The Peavey is a good idea, I had an old blazer once, and they sound great for the $$$. The 'transtube' technology was surprisingly good, but not tubey really. I would definately get something with a 10" speaker - 8" is just too small voiced and narrow in frequency response... you might want to play in a room with a drum kit one day - a slightly bigger amp will at least open the possibility of jamming/starting a band - surely the best bit about playing guitar...

If you think the only decent sounding Fender is an American Deluxe Strat, you're hardly in a position to think I'm uppity about gear! If you can't make a standard US strat sound amazing, you're totally doing the wrong thing with it. Its mostly up to the skill of the player as to how a guitar sounds anyway. Picture this:
You go into a guitar shop,
You pick up a top of the line PRS, Steve Vai walks in and picks up a Yamaha Pacifica. Who's guitar will be percieved by the music shop staff to sound better?
 
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