Gordon Murray to make a true successor to the F1- T50

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Keef
Completely unrelated, y’all’s highways out here are no better quality than Ohio. And these drivers struck me as being in less of a hurry and with better lane discipline than Ohio. I just drove from San Fransisco to Monterey. That has nothing to do with the T50.
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I find drivers in NorCal to be pretty decent. Sure there is a substantial amount of highway shootings in Oakland, but other than that it's pretty chill around here. What roads were you on? The colossal amount of rain this winter has definitely degraded some of the roads around here, but they are typically in decent to good shape - certainly better than Maine, Texas, or Michigan (the other places I've lived).

Let me bring this back to Murray and deftly link all this together with a video of a Mclaren F1 blasting down some roads near Santa Cruz
 
Just can't get enough of that sound :drool: I was a bit concerned because the dyno runs and pre-prod prototypes sounded a bit "trumpety", but the final sound is pure bliss.



I still don't know how Gordon can pack a V12, 3 people and enough suitcases for a weekend in a car as small as a Cayman and weights <1 ton. Just pure magic. I still think the F1 looks better but by any other metric this just blows it out of the water.
 
This is probably a stupid thought but will other manufacturers follow Murray's lead and make their own analogue supercars and sports cars? I'm honestly of the belief that Ferrari should revive the F40 in a similar way with the twin-turbo V8 from the 488, gated manual gearbox, small size and light weight. It would be a hit and sell out in minutes. Honda should do something similar with the NSX. They'd make an absolute killing if it was a no-nonsense, light weight car with a reliable V6 engine, manual gearbox and the bare minimum amount of luxuries. We don't need the most advanced tech to have fun in a car - the same basic principles of light weight, a competent chassis and mechanical precision are still valid in this day and age. Manufacturers should be trying to do more with less in order to keep the governments and car enthusiasts happy.
 
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I really do love the fan at the back. It really gives the car as its own identity and it blends in well with the car.
 
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ScottPuss20
This is probably a stupid thought but will other manufacturers follow Murray's lead and make their own analogue supercars and sports cars? I'm honestly of the belief that Ferrari should revive the F40 in a similar way with the twin-turbo V8 from the 488, gated manual gearbox, small size and light weight. It would be a hit and sell out in minutes. Honda should do something similar with the NSX. They'd make an absolute killing if it was a no-nonsense, light weight car with a reliable V6 engine, manual gearbox and the bare minimum amount of luxuries. We don't need the most advanced tech to have fun in a car - the same basic principles of light weight, a competent chassis and mechanical precision are still valid in this day and age. Manufacturers should be trying to do more with less in order to keep the governments and car enthusiasts happy.
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I'm not saying there isn't the market for this sort of analogue supercar anymore, the popularity of Porsche's 'GT' versions proves that, but the average supercar buyer these days expects everyday usability. They want to own a Ferrari or a McLaren but they want it to be useable in the same way a Ford is. Manufacturers go where the money is and sadly the bulk of the money isn't in the hands of genuine enthusiasts/petrolheads.

I was watching a video the other day on the Testarossa, which in its day was a pretty 'soft' Ferrari, it was already aimed at a wider audience, but it was amazing quite how unuser-friendly the cabin was. Loads of unmarked buttons, buttons and levers not placed where you'd expect them to be etc. Owners wouldn't put up with that now, but it was commonplace back in the 80's and 90's.
 
ScottPuss20
This is probably a stupid thought but will other manufacturers follow Murray's lead and make their own analogue supercars and sports cars? I'm honestly of the belief that Ferrari should revive the F40 in a similar way with the twin-turbo V8 from the 488, gated manual gearbox, small size and light weight. It would be a hit and sell out in minutes. Honda should do something similar with the NSX. They'd make an absolute killing if it was a no-nonsense, light weight car with a reliable V6 engine, manual gearbox and the bare minimum amount of luxuries. We don't need the most advanced tech to have fun in a car - the same basic principles of light weight, a competent chassis and mechanical precision are still valid in this day and age. Manufacturers should be trying to do more with less in order to keep the governments and car enthusiasts happy.
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I agree, you only need to look at the popularity of restomods like Singer to see people will pay millions for a back to basics, analogue sports car. Something that looks and feels old, but has modern performance, reliability and comfort.

If Ferrari comes up with a modern interpretation of the F40 it will sell like hotcakes. I would love to see a new NSX based on the old formula, but I don't think Honda has enough brand cachet to charge a premium for it. Gordon, Ferrari and Porsche all have enough pull as a brand. But you only have to look at Alpine A110 sales to see just having the right ingredients isn't enough to be successful.
 
TheCracker
I'm not saying there isn't the market for this sort of analogue supercar anymore, the popularity of Porsche's 'GT' versions proves that, but the average supercar buyer these days expects everyday usability. They want to own a Ferrari or a McLaren but they want it to be useable in the same way a Ford is. Manufacturers go where the money is and sadly the bulk of the money isn't in the hands of genuine enthusiasts/petrolheads.

I was watching a video the other day on the Testarossa, which in its day was a pretty 'soft' Ferrari, it was already aimed at a wider audience, but it was amazing quite how unuser-friendly the cabin was. Loads of unmarked buttons, buttons and levers not placed where you'd expect them to be etc. Owners wouldn't put up with that now, but it was commonplace back in the 80's and 90's.
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I'm not exactly sure what youre point is with the Testarossa. Cars of that era were simply results of industry standards - a lack of understanding of ergonomics and human factors. Engineers at the time literally did not consider the end user in their processes which is why vintage cars are almost universally terrible to operate.

That's exactly why @ScottPuss20 bringing up the original NSX is interesting, because the NSX is the first supercar that truly considered human factors. They created a supercar that was as easy to use as a Prelude. For the life of me I cannot understand why companies aren't doing that today. Whoever is advising them on market trends simply doesn't understand where the money is and what it wants. They don't get that everybody is fearful that something like the original NSX or Elise is never going to exist anymore and we're willing to spend $100k on a bare bones sports car...the originals are going for that much in excellent condition anyway. Hell, just put the old cars back into production in limited numbers to skirt safety regs and jack the price up, rich people will still buy them left and right.
 
ScottPuss20
This is probably a stupid thought but will other manufacturers follow Murray's lead and make their own analogue supercars and sports cars? I'm honestly of the belief that Ferrari should revive the F40 in a similar way with the twin-turbo V8 from the 488, gated manual gearbox, small size and light weight. It would be a hit and sell out in minutes. Honda should do something similar with the NSX. They'd make an absolute killing if it was a no-nonsense, light weight car with a reliable V6 engine, manual gearbox and the bare minimum amount of luxuries. We don't need the most advanced tech to have fun in a car - the same basic principles of light weight, a competent chassis and mechanical precision are still valid in this day and age. Manufacturers should be trying to do more with less in order to keep the governments and car enthusiasts happy.
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Ferrari already does this with its Icona series, in a way. The SP1/SP2 Monzas are throwbacks to their 50s Monzas & the SP3 is influenced by their 60s LeMans cars. A SP4 is expected due next year or 2025 & if the trend follows, it could be a late 70s-early 80s racing inspired design. The SP5 is rumored to going on the F167 platform (FR V12).

The reason we most likely won't see the F40 influence any Icona is merely because Ferrari has abandoned the manual transmission b/c of cost & not enough demand as evident by the California & 612 (I believe). A F40-influenced design with no manual will drive the purists mad.
 
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Toyota could do it. I miss the MR-S. No one makes an affordable MR car under 1000kg. They have the GR family 3-cylinder. Drop that in a modern GR MR-2/Spyder with better packaging for luggage.
The FT-Se is fine, but a limited run petrol MR would surely sell.

I feel offering a car like the T.50, but in poverty spec for the mass production, would have been ripe, from when the Honda S660 came out. A high revving, lightweight sports car. When most sporting cars are so heavy today.
 
Looks like someone in the Bay Area bought an GMA and they're arriving in the winter of this year

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GMA S1 LM, a one off based on the T.50

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Gordon Murray Essentially Resurrected the F1 GTR—And It's Perfect

The S1 LM is GMA's first ultra-low-volume special, built for a customer obsessed with the McLaren F1's win at Le Mans. It's got a V-12 and a manual transmission.
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Gordon Murray Automotive is getting into the business of ultra-low-volume specials. A growing trend in the ultra-exotic space, the S1 LM is the first product, alongside the Le Mans GTR, to emerge from the company's "Special Vehicles" subsidiary, and just about the coolest thing to come from Monterey Car Week.

Based on the bones of the T.50, GMA describes the S1 LM as having "a hardcore track-first set-up" that "pays homage to the ageless beauty of Murray’s original Le Mans-winning design."

The S1 LM reimagines several of the Le Mans-winning F1 GTR's design elements, like the roof-mounted intake and a centrally mounted quad exhaust, while adding items such as a split rear wing. From some angles, it looks identical to the car that took victory 30 years ago.

The S1 LM is a track car first, according to GMA, with a new, stiffer suspension and a solidly mounted engine. The sizable splitter, paired with that wing and a large diffuser, promises real downforce. Like all GMA road cars, the S1 LM will have a naturally aspirated V-12 and a six-speed manual transmission. This one's been punched up to 4.3 liters, with the company estimating a power output of over 690 horsepower.

GMA plans to build just five examples of the S1 LM, with all five going to a single client "for an undisclosed price."
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Le Mans GTR, another limited edition using the T.50's engine and transmission

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Gordon Murray's Latest Supercar Is a Love Letter to Le Mans

Gordon Murray Automotive has a new car: The Le Mans GTR. Built to pay tribute to the McLaren F1's Le Mans win, just 24 examples will be built.
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The Le Mans GTR is a new V-12-powered, manual supercar from the legendary mind of Gordon Murray. Limited to just 24 units—one for each hour of the legendary endurance race for which it's named—it pays tribute to the McLaren F1 GTR's victory in 1995. Murray, lest we forget, designed that car too, hence the connection.

While the Le Mans GTR uses the engine and gearbox from the T.50, GMA says "almost" everything else has been changed. There's a new low-drag body the company says is inspired by longtail cars of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, going as far as to call out cars like the Matra-Simca MS660, the Porsche 917, and the Alfa Romeo Tipo 33/3 as inspiration.

GMA says there's real ground-effects aero happening here, thanks to the front splitter, side skirts, the full-width wing, and the huge two-channel diffuser out back. The additional body work has eliminated the need for the rear-mounted fan found on the T.50.

Despite being much more hardcore than the normal T.50, the Le Mans GTR's interior doesn't lose out on livability, according to GMA. The dashboard, the switchgear, the seat cushioning, and the pedal pads have all been revised or swapped out for new components.

All 24 examples of the Le Mans GTR have been spoken for, naturally. There's no word on pricing, but considering the T.50 was a $3.5-million affair, this car should be more still. GMA says production will begin in 2026.
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ProjectWHaT
GMA S1 LM, a one off based on the T.50

www.motor1.com

Gordon Murray Essentially Resurrected the F1 GTR—And It's Perfect

The S1 LM is GMA's first ultra-low-volume special, built for a customer obsessed with the McLaren F1's win at Le Mans. It's got a V-12 and a manual transmission.
www.motor1.com www.motor1.com

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Le Mans GTR, another limited edition using the T.50's engine and transmission

www.motor1.com

Gordon Murray's Latest Supercar Is a Love Letter to Le Mans

Gordon Murray Automotive has a new car: The Le Mans GTR. Built to pay tribute to the McLaren F1's Le Mans win, just 24 examples will be built.
www.motor1.com www.motor1.com
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Is it me or does the back section of the GMA SV look eeerily familiar? If you gonna copy good design then whynot?

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Roo
Beyond the exhaust pipes' proximity to each other and the de rigueur hypercar taillights that are the same on every exotic with round rear lights, I'm not seeing it...?
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I was just highlighting potential inspiration or design trends with this new cars design, not sure who designed it.

In the context of hypercars, "de rigueur" taillights often refer to full-width taillights that are a common design element, often minimalist and sleek, with a focus on both aesthetics and visibility. These lights are frequently integrated into the car's design, sometimes featuring unique light patterns or technologies.

The 2017 Ford GT's design was spearheaded by Camilo Pardo, who led Ford's "Living Legends" studio at the time, with guidance from J Mays. The design team worked in secrecy, focused on aerodynamic efficiency and lightweight materials.

THe GMA SV design kinda looks like a mish mash of several cars.

I can't help but kinda see this too! Blink and you wont miss it! Now some may say that this as some design method or aestethic tehcnique, but having a vague or common similarity to a existing design (concpet or production car) to me feels way too coincidental!!!

For a bespoke GMA design I feel it could be more radical and crazy hypercar looking.

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It's possible they took a cue from Ford all good designs borrow from classic designs of the past. Anyway they are both gorgeous. I love how he basically modernize the look of the F1 for the new car. According to the article only 5 were made and they were all bought by the same person
 
Nobody is ever going to see the S1 LM in public but that thing is radical. Still not as pretty as the F1 or T50 but it's like an F1 GTR mixed with Cyberpunk. Pretty sick. I always wished that the T50 was more similar to the F1 than it is but I think it's just more proof that the F1 will never be topped.
 
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Is the client the Sultan of Brunei?
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I was wondering who else it could possibly be. Who is wealthy enough and obsessive enough to want 5 of the same extremely expensive car? In the Harry's garage clip, Dario mentioned something about the owner wanting to take it around the "mountain" near his house. Brunei has some hills, but not really what I'd describe as mountains...and nothing that resembles mountain roads. Maybe he goes into Malaysia?
 
05XR8
Maybe he lives the real Gran Turismo with collecting Multiples.
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So that means he will get all of the upgrades on one car, paint it a different color and swap out the wheels and keep the others stock? Maybe create a livery for one and post it on Instagram? 😁 Or do a real scape photo?
 
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kjb
So that means he will get all of the upgrades on one car, paint it a different color and swap out the wheels and keep the others stock? Maybe create a livery for one and post it on Instagram? 😁 Or do a real scape photo?
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Wing delete, wide body and wide wheels on RH.
 
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Is the client the Sultan of Brunei?
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Peloton shared a bit more info on this detail.
Speaking of 5 cars, much has been written since the reveal about one customer purchasing all 5. Technically it’s true, as he is funding the project end-to-end, but in reality his intention is not to keep them all. A few will stay with him and a few others will find their way into hands of prominent people and collections. I’m hopeful these individuals will share the passion for the project and a love for driving so that all of them are used, seen, and enjoyed on roads and venues across the world.
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