GPS Data Visualizer app.
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killerjimbag
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What if it's a very fast lap in a 86 "Racing" version.
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What if I edited the file on the USB and made a super lap, Suzuka in 35 seconds?
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I have just read this whole thread and thought I would summarise it here just to make sure I had a handle on what the gist is.
To use this new feature I need to buy a new Toyota 86, equip it with some accessory purchased from Toyota, live in Japan, be able to drive on one of three Japanese race tracks and then like the telephone , sometime in the next 200 years, this feature will benefit me. And if anyone is critical of this 'fantastic' (sic) advancement and becomes critical about how necessary issues should be addressed first then they are to be ridiculed for lacking foresight and labelled technophobes.
Do I understand the concept correctly?
For the record, place me in the "PD should not have wasted time on this feature but addressed other important issues with GT6 first" camp.
To use this new feature I need to buy a new Toyota 86, equip it with some accessory purchased from Toyota, live in Japan, be able to drive on one of three Japanese race tracks and then like the telephone , sometime in the next 200 years, this feature will benefit me. And if anyone is critical of this 'fantastic' (sic) advancement and becomes critical about how necessary issues should be addressed first then they are to be ridiculed for lacking foresight and labelled technophobes.
Do I understand the concept correctly?
For the record, place me in the "PD should not have wasted time on this feature but addressed other important issues with GT6 first" camp.
Remember VHS? Early recorders cost $2,500.00, the handful of movies cost $65 to $100 per tape, there was no rental market, and most people lacked cable TV movie channels so there was very little to record (and camcorders were $zillion dollar monstrosities). Given those parameters, my parents declared that nobody would buy one because they're costly and useless.
Seriously??? How long do you think this will be limited to one car, one $1,000 accessory, and 3 tracks in Japan? Be real.
But even if that were it, I would love to race a professional driver's ghost, even if it's limited to Suzuka at this point. Hell, load replays from all drivers in the real world race, and try to beat them in GT6.
killerjimbag
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Hey you forgot Beta!LOL, My wife works for Toyota, so I will find out when it comes to North America. She actually builds the Lexus RS 350 in Cambridge Ontario.
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You seriously have to stop comparing apples to oranges. You should BE REAL. I said it's a great feature, just not in its current state, that's what makes it useless. It is limited at the moment, what it will be in the future remains to be seen.
As far as racing ghosts replays of real racing drivers, IIRC in GT5 I remember racing a ghost of David Coulthard in an AMG SLS on the Top Gear Test Track, that was cool. What was cooler is that I didn't need to buy an AMG SLS, ship it to the UK, and buy an accessory in order to do it.
Yup, that seems right, welcome to the club, I guess I'm the president, you can be my Vice President.
Apparently not. I agreed that there are more urgently needed fixes and additions to the game. I'm also not sure where you picked up the "fantastic" quote, or why you added "sic."
I'm just taking issue with the notions that (1) it's a dumb idea nobody will use, (2) that it's presence now is in any way harmful to your gaming experience, and (3) that this somehow delayed other promised or needed features.
killerjimbag
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You won't have to bye the car,or ship it.Wait,there will be laps posted by Toyota factory teams/ race drivers, watch.Think outside of the box man! it will probably be update or DLC material.
My ex has been in Toyota's legal department for eons. They might know each other, LOL.
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For a guy who told me to re-read the previous posts, you surely don't follow your own advice. I never said it's a feature nobody will use, I said that no one can use it in its current state. So maybe instead of going off on me, you should re-read the entire thread, twice if you have to. I also never said its presence is harmful, I said it's useless. As for it delaying other parts of the game, I'm sure it did, as programmers were busy building that feature instead of fixing bugs and issues such as camber.
Use the edit button!
Alrighty then. You got me, I think. But to be sure, let's make sure I understand:
1. We should never introduce new products or features until they're fully evolved and there is a widespread existing market begging to buy in; and,
2. To race a real world driver's ghost from a real world race, we have to buy an identical car, ship it around the world, and actually race him in real time.
Wait, WHAT??? The first one has Steve Jobs rolling in his grave, and the second makes no sense whatsoever.
Apples and oranges? Wow. The first telephone was useless. VHS was mostly useless. LTE was useless for large parts of the world. Email was mostly useless in the early 1980's. The same can be said for personal computers for most people in the first 20 years. The iPod. AIS systems on boats were worthless until widely adopted. The examples are endless. By your reasoning, none of these should have been introduced and allowed to grow and evolve until the Luddites miraculously marched to the market of new technology they didn't even know existed. Cool.
Who said this? "It affected me, I had to download a 295mb update, with a feature I can't use yet.
This is an incomplete feature that shouldn't be on my PS3...."
Weren't those statements addressing my question about how this innocuous addition is somehow detrimental?
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Apples and oranges, you can make all sort of presumptions, you can attack me because I think this feature is useless. Comparing the new GPS feature to an iPod or iPhone? You must love that moon rover mission, because your arguments are out of this world.
I have tried several times to explain to you why this feature is useless in its current state, and you keep trying to bring up analogies that have no place being used to describe this feature. This is not a personal attack on you, but you take it so personally and try to attack me. I am pro technology, but in 2014, PD did it wrong with this feature. It released a feature which 99% of GT6 can't use, even if they wanted to. That is the problem, what this feature will look like in the future has no bearing on what it is now. At this time, outside of Japan, it's useless. If you don't think so, that's your opinion.
You obviously can't understand what I'm writing here, I was comparing the GT5 David Coulthard lap to the new feature, as in; you were able to race DC on GT5 without any gadgets, and without having to go to the track to do it.
The technology to log my car's data and GPS location is already here. I can plug into my ODBII port on my car and get all of my car's info onto my phone. My phone also has GPS, so to me, nothing except the way PD takes that data and makes a replay out of it is new. It's not ground-breaking like an iPod, or iPhone, or telephone, or VHS, or beta.
As for Steve rolling in his grave, I'm sure he is, but not based on anything I wrote on this forum.
Today's feature is in its early stages, but unless you live in Japan, it's useless. End of story, trying to reason with you is pointless, you lack the required ingredient.
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This ^^
The GPS system is already in use by many companies including motorsport foundations worldwide.
The compatibility issue is something purely down to PD and Toyota.
For all we know the format used could be new to GPS, with the only equipment available and licensed for use solely by Toyota.
Still, we can't use it.
LOL!!! YES, IT IS USELESS! I agree! I cannot use it today. That sucks.
Coulthard's lap: Did he do it in game on a PS3? Or was it a real world lap in his real world car? Don't you wish it were the latter? Now it can be.
Again with the apples and oranges-really? Do you think I'm comparing Kaz to Al Bell? Do you think I'm comparing the societal importance of those other inventions to this silly video game? I am not. I simply use those example to illustrate the myopia of some complainers who use the reasoning that "if I can't use it today, it shouldn't occupy a couple MB on my PS3."
You agree that it has the potential to develop into something cool, albeit less cool than phones or iPods, right? So let's see what comes of it.
Coulthard's lap: Did he do it in game on a PS3? Or was it a real world lap in his real world car? Don't you wish it were the latter? Now it can be.
Again with the apples and oranges-really? Do you think I'm comparing Kaz to Al Bell? Do you think I'm comparing the societal importance of those other inventions to this silly video game? I am not. I simply use those example to illustrate the myopia of some complainers who use the reasoning that "if I can't use it today, it shouldn't occupy a couple MB on my PS3."
You agree that it has the potential to develop into something cool, albeit less cool than phones or iPods, right? So let's see what comes of it.
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Yes, pretty much. I was researching earlier today and found that several companies already use this set-up to track, log, and replay GPS data from the drivers line, throttle etc. With most the data was replayed with either GPS or video images. Though I only found a few samples for download, the formats were all incompatible for uploading.
Ok, I'm done. You guys are funny.
It's a shame this feature is so limited at present. Who knows what the future holds? It might be pretty cool and within all our reach soon. Perhaps we'll have professional race replays. Maybe it will be integrated with a track generator. Maybe it will be as useless as the moon missions. But for now, the tiny space it occupies on my PS3 gives me optimism about the future of the game.
And like the first telephone purchaser who must have been cheesed because he had nobody to call, I hope people start driving their 86's around Japan until this thing spreads into something useful. But that's gotta start now.
It's a shame this feature is so limited at present. Who knows what the future holds? It might be pretty cool and within all our reach soon. Perhaps we'll have professional race replays. Maybe it will be integrated with a track generator. Maybe it will be as useless as the moon missions. But for now, the tiny space it occupies on my PS3 gives me optimism about the future of the game.
And like the first telephone purchaser who must have been cheesed because he had nobody to call, I hope people start driving their 86's around Japan until this thing spreads into something useful. But that's gotta start now.
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If you really want to compare this feature to an iPod, you still lose. The iPod was released in several countries, and even if you weren't living in one of those countries, you could still purchase one through other channels. You don't need a special iPod computer to use your iPod, it will work on most semi-modern PC's. You did need to use Apple software, but you didn't have to use the iTunes Store. So while still somewhat restricted, it was nothing like the new feature in GT6.
