GR1 Hybrid power problem?

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First, sorry for my English, I m French. Hello friends. I will need your knowledge. Earlier, while doing a GR1 race in a private room with friends, we realized that Hybrid models do not compare at all with exclusively thermal models. As if the electric motors were not activated and they give only 500 HP while the other models only thermal make more 900HP. There is something to do to activate the hybrid?
 
Hybrid power is automatic. They will activate by themselves when you exit a turn, or after a rolling start. They only activate for 3-5 seconds, so make the most out of it :)
 
Yes, as Alpha Cipher said, they are automatic and only apply within a certain steering lock and for only so long. The Toyota TS050 has a battery guage on it's wheel so you can see when it is deploying full hybrid power and for how long. You will notice it won't turn on past 45degree steering lock, nor will it deploy above approx 240kmph. The other cars are similar, but have no guages to inform when they are in use. From my experience, the Porsche will deploy for longer than the Toyota, upwards of 260kmph giving it an advantage at tracks with longer straights. Probably why the Porsche is the best hybrid. Haven't had much experience with the Audi.
 
celeclate
First, sorry for my English, I m French. Hello friends. I will need your knowledge. Earlier, while doing a GR1 race in a private room with friends, we realized that Hybrid models do not compare at all with exclusively thermal models. As if the electric motors were not activated and they give only 500 HP while the other models only thermal make more 900HP. There is something to do to activate the hybrid?
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They are really good. I used the Porsche one at Kyoto, and even though the leaderboards were dominated by Bugatti, I was able to start several races on pole and take several wins too. DR S here. Brake gently, and accelerate gently. Don’t apply full gas before the end of second gear, almost never. If you feel the wheel getting light, you’re losing battery, because the front wheels are spinning without traction. The problem with hybrids is depleting the battery.

Some examples, so you can check the driver input:







The last one I had no time to edit the info, but it can still be helpful.
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I was doing hotlaps on Dragon Tail with the Toyota Ts050 and i swear the battery is only good for the first lap.
I can see my ghost just pulling away after 1st lap.

I've heard upgrading the power actually just upgrades the battery so you can have full hybrid power each lap.
 
Thank you for your answers. So if there is nothing to activate, hybrid cars GR1 can not compete with GR1 cars only thermal?
 
celeclate
Thank you for your answers. So if there is nothing to activate, hybrid cars GR1 can not compete with GR1 cars only thermal?
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Actually, no, the hybrid Gr. 1 can be pretty competitive. Because they're ultra-quick at rolling starts (1000hp vs 500-650hp on non-hybrids) and coming out of corners, they can give the faster non-hybrids a hard time, and the average non-hybrids get left out. It's all about how to use it and what track you're in (eg. At Monza non-hybrids are likely to win because they have 650hp all the time compared to hybrids with 1000hp for 5 seconds then switch to 500hp, but twisty tracks like Dragon Trail can give hybrids a high chance of winning)
 
phil_75
I was doing hotlaps on Dragon Tail with the Toyota Ts050 and i swear the battery is only good for the first lap.
I can see my ghost just pulling away after 1st lap.

I've heard upgrading the power actually just upgrades the battery so you can have full hybrid power each lap.
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Fill the batteries up with braking in the lap after. You can only do fast-slow-fast-slow-... in these cars. The Toyota has a gauge on it‘s steering wheel showing how much battery power is available.
 
Ok. So in a private part where you can increase the performance of cars, Hybrids can not compete because the thermals can reach more than 900 HP?
 
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celeclate
Ok. So in a private part where you can increase the performance of cars, Hybrids can not compete because the thermals can reach more than 900 HP.
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Ah, if you're talking about Gr. 1 with upgrades, yeah I don't think hybrids stand a chance :(
 
It would really be great to get some proper info on the battery state. It feels like the Porsche keeps going lap after lap with the same rate but the Toyota gets less and less hybrid power as it uses more power than it can harvest in hard driving. Both of them are 8MJ systems so something is quite clearly wrong if the behaviour is that different.
 
Greycap
It would really be great to get some proper info on the battery state. It feels like the Porsche keeps going lap after lap with the same rate but the Toyota gets less and less hybrid power as it uses more power than it can harvest in hard driving. Both of them are 8MJ systems so something is quite clearly wrong if the behaviour is that different.
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I usually use the Porsche, so I don’t have he numbers, but it felt that putting the brake balance 1 or 2 to the front helped maintaining the battery up.
 
Contrary to my earlier feeling, no the Porsche doesn't recharge any better than the two others. It gets left to dust at the beginning of the second lap in time trialling where the first lap is started with a full battery.

And no, upgrading the power certainly doesn't give full hybrid power for every lap. My Toyota is upgraded to the maximum and in normal driving the charge usually varies between 0% and 40%.
 
Problem that I see is that we cannot control ERS at all. If there is energy in batteries, the moment you hit accelerator it will drain batteries, for R18 I know that it disables ERS after passing 250-260kmh or if you hit it in 6th gear. Didn't test it on Porsche... but it is for sure that PD needs to disable combined Gr.1 races (real cars and VGT's).
On other hand, we have and Nitro in settings for controllers, donno why it is not used for this kind of stuff...

Cheers...
 
One thing I noticed and said already is that I usually put brake balance to the front. 1 or 2. I think it helps me maintaining my battery.

My reasoning behind that is the following:

It may be a setup that makes the car harvest more energy from the front wheels or when you put brake balance to the rear, there’s a tendency that your rear is gonna slide more, which means your tires are srcubbing and losing energy to the road instead the brakes, and that should make your battery not recharge as much. The difference in time the hybrid system makes when getting back up to speed in corner exits is greater than maintaining momentum through corner and not recharging it as much.
 
Nando deBem
Do you need some clarification? I could try and help you.
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Please! :gtpflag:

How do you see a cars battery?

Is that actually benefiting certain cars over others?

The Mazda lm55 I use a lot... is that in any way relevant to this?

Is this all essentially based on fuel efficiency?

Sorry for the noob questions but I’m curious and want to know
 
banckzy
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How do you see a cars battery?
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It doesn't have HUD representation, some of the cars like R18 has percentage on steering wheel...

banckzy
Is that actually benefiting certain cars over others?
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Modern LMP cars have huge benefits from it, for instance Porsche 919 has 500hp engine, but it has 400hp electric engine additionally, this means it can peak @900hp...

banckzy
The Mazda lm55 I use a lot... is that in any way relevant to this?
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It has only combustion engine, this means it always has same power on same RPM. Doesn't have eV part at all

banckzy
Is this all essentially based on fuel efficiency?
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eV part has separate battery that stores energy recovered from braking and thermo delivered by tubro (not sure this is implemented in GTS), and fuel efficiency does increase while using hybrid engines, but didn't noticed this in GTS...

Cheers...
 
sumbrownkid
These cars also benefit from lifting and coasting...Though online racing is not conducive to that yet.
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Lifting and coasting has nothing to do with power regeneration; this video could help :)

Nando deBem
One thing I noticed and said already is that I usually put brake balance to the front. 1 or 2. I think it helps me maintaining my battery.

My reasoning behind that is the following:

It may be a setup that makes the car harvest more energy from the front wheels or when you put brake balance to the rear, there’s a tendency that your rear is gonna slide more, which means your tires are srcubbing and losing energy to the road instead the brakes, and that should make your battery not recharge as much. The difference in time the hybrid system makes when getting back up to speed in corner exits is greater than maintaining momentum through corner and not recharging it as much.
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I put mine to the rear. In my understanding is that by putting it to the rear, I can trail brake more effectively and since trail braking means more braking time in general, it also promotes power regeneration as long as you can keep the car in check by not letting it slide around. In the video I put above he says that real life LMP1s actually have dynamic brake bias that puts the bias to the rear as they start turning in to promote trail braking, so I guess my method has some merit to it
banckzy
Is this all essentially based on fuel efficiency?

Sorry for the noob questions but I’m curious and want to know
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Theoretically, yes. The reason these hybrids only make ~500hp is because their engines are designed to be efficient before being powerful. The hybrid system is designed to offset the pace these cars lose by making their engines more efficient. Although, I say theoretically because the VGT LMP1s are just as fuel efficient :grumpy:
 
I think when fuel consumption is off, battery should be 100% all the time.

I have a Gr.1 lobby up right now, come on!

Canadian, Gr.1 at Suzuka, or add me.

Nando_deBem
 
Nando deBem
I think when fuel consumption is off, battery should be 100% all the time.

I have a Gr.1 lobby up right now, come on!

Canadian, Gr.1 at Suzuka, or add me.

Nando_deBem
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...well, it is not like that, they deplete always
 
rex1825
...well, it is not like that, they deplete always
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I know it’s not. I just think that it would be fair. They are mixing Hybrids with pure ICEs in the same category, but one of them maintain 100% of their power source for the whole race. Hybrids should have the battery 100% all the time or at least recharged every lap. Maybe it would create an imbalance and that’s why they won’t do it.
 
Nando deBem
I know it’s not. I just think that it would be fair. They are mixing Hybrids with pure ICEs in the same category, but one of them maintain 100% of their power source for the whole race. Hybrids should have the battery 100% all the time or at least recharged every lap. Maybe it would create an imbalance and that’s why they won’t do it.
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If the've had 100% bat all the time, they would be too OP, they should give an option to refill bat on each lap... Would be more realistic...
 
rex1825
If the've had 100% bat all the time, they would be too OP, they should give an option to refill bat on each lap... Would be more realistic...
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With BoP yes they'll be too OP, but if the other Gr. 1 cars are fully upgraded the hybrids would be pointless since even at full power they are at best at par with the other Gr. 1s. I'm thinking of a compromise and add a new option called "Battery depletion"
 
celeclate
First, sorry for my English, I m French. Hello friends. I will need your knowledge. Earlier, while doing a GR1 race in a private room with friends, we realized that Hybrid models do not compare at all with exclusively thermal models. As if the electric motors were not activated and they give only 500 HP while the other models only thermal make more 900HP. There is something to do to activate the hybrid?
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No need to apologise for being French....:)
 

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