Gran Turismo 7 Engine Swap Compatibility

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B18 Panda is pretty hairy once fully upgraded. Spent some time setting it up for my Nurbrugring leaderboard and got a 7:01. I think if I spent enough time I could get under 7 minutes. Pretty decent selection of engine swaps this time (well, except the Peugeot...)

Part of me thinks the Panda might have suited the 2&4 engine
 
lbpomg95
B18 Panda is pretty hairy once fully upgraded. Spent some time setting it up for my Nurbrugring leaderboard and got a 7:01. I think if I spent enough time I could get under 7 minutes. Pretty decent selection of engine swaps this time (well, except the Peugeot...)

Part of me thinks the Panda might have suited the 2&4 engine
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The Panda should've got either the Abarth engine, or indeed the 2&4. Here in Italy there are some hill climb slalom cars that are built using classic chassis such as the Fiat 126/127/Panda or Autobianchi A112 and a bike engine, so it would indeed be fitting. No idea why they picked the B18.
 
lbpomg95
B18 Panda is pretty hairy once fully upgraded. Spent some time setting it up for my Nurbrugring leaderboard and got a 7:01. I think if I spent enough time I could get under 7 minutes. Pretty decent selection of engine swaps this time (well, except the Peugeot...)

Part of me thinks the Panda might have suited the 2&4 engine
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Strax
The Panda should've got either the Abarth engine, or indeed the 2&4. Here in Italy there are some hill climb slalom cars that are built using classic chassis such as the Fiat 126/127/Panda or Autobianchi A112 and a bike engine, so it would indeed be fitting. No idea why they picked the B18.
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Sir Crashalot
There are rumors that they use this method for making decisions:

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They could have at least put more thought on how feasible those swaps are, not just how it "fits" in the engine bay.


For a game that covers the entire motoring world, it is ironic how engine swaps are limited mostly to please the "power hungry", Route X crowd.
 
lbpomg95
Only these days half the boxes it could land on say "W16"
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Well if it does land on “W16”, again, then I hope it’s for this.. ;)

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For context: VW used that very Lamborghini Diablo as the test mule for the Veyron’s W16 before they started building prototype Veyrons.
 
Vic Reign93
Well if it does land on “W16”, again, then I hope it’s for this.. ;)

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For context: VW used that very Lamborghini Diablo as the test mule for the Veyron’s W16 before they started building prototype Veyrons.
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Well, that and Cizeta V16T being partially related to the Diablo - it would fit thematically at least... although it would handle terribly. I'd still rather see it get the Aventador engine. I think from memory the Diablo would be the lowest downforce car able to run the W16 (after aero parts fitted).
 
Maybe I'm a bit late to the party, but I can recommend the Espace F1 engine swap into the Toyota Supra '19. I wanted to try a F1 engine in a non-F1 car. My first swap into the Renault Megane Trophy Gr.4 was okay, but kind of unnecessary - its original 3.5l N/A V6 is already good and really frugal in races, so you don't really win a lot in this swap. As a Gr.4 car the Megane Trophy has quite narrow tires and limited downforce, and you can put turbos on the original V6 if you want more power.

So I tried the Supra swap. Made it a proper race car with widebody, full aero and everything. Getting the gearing right is a little tricky because the Espace F1 engine revs so high, but with a little work it is well possible. I ran a 700 PP build of the Supra yesterday in the Le Mans 30 minutes race and I am pretty happy with it. On fuel map 6 you can easily do 5 laps on a tank and you are still faster than the competition. Not by a mile, but I consistently ran 4m12s laps on fuel map 6, setting the fastest lap and gaining on 1st position in each lap (the competition usually runs around 4m15s laps). A hot lap with fresh RH tires and fuel map 1 will easily bring you close to the 4 minute mark. And it handles surprisingly well, it is quite neutral and rotates well. I only need to fix the oversteer under heavy braking, other than that it is a good race car conversion.

The Supra with this swap is not a secret weapon or something, but it is a nice, worthwhile way to use an F1 engine in a non-F1 car.

If you want to make a non-race car build with this engine, check out Ryan Tuerck's GR Supra drift car with a Judd V10.
 
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the Interceptor
Maybe I'm a bit late to the party, but I can recommend the Espace F1 engine swap into the Toyota Supra '19.
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I used this swap for the Weekly Challange at Saint-Croix (Hypercar parade)
It's surprisingly potent fully tuned, close to or even over 800PP depending on earo and tires.
I only got blasted by the Valkyrie in the last lap, but with some more tuning on the earo, RS in place of the RH I think it's possible.
Also won Sardegna grind with it.. Definitely worth the 1.5-1.7M Cr. I put in!
 
the Interceptor
Maybe I'm a bit late to the party, but I can recommend the Espace F1 engine swap into the Toyota Supra '19.
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It's pretty rapid. I've been building up a Nordschliefe leaderboard on my channel and run the cars fully upgraded on RS tyres - the F1 Supra got 6:09, which is about level with;
1100hp LT5 Corvette C4
1000hp V12 Tuscan and XJ220
1000hp VR38 Lancia Delta
1400hp GAC Shelby GT350R
And it's only 2 seconds behind the Chiron-swapped Lexus RCF. The only car with less power to beat it is the Focus-swapped Ford Escort Cosworth, which is an utter track weapon.
 
Does anyone have a guess/explanation as to why they gave us a swap that turns the Elantra into a race car in the same update that gave us... an actual Elantra race car?
 
snowman_pr
Funny thing, a stock engine Elantra N tuned to 700PP, another Elantra N with the 3UZ V8 swap with the same suspension settings from the previous stock engine one also at 699PP, and the Elantra TC maxed out at 697PP; just tenths of a second of difference between the three at DragonTrail Seaside

Huh 🤷🏻‍♂️😊
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This is my exact point, and considering I'm mostly using it for the wtc700 Le Mans, I'm just going to default to the pre-built TCR. A measly turbo upgrade is more than enough to get an easy victory in that car. As opposed to the expensive swap + all the other tuning required. I know there's been more than a few redundant and nonsense swaps but I was hoping it had a reason beyond "V8 beast in common road car". All good tho, still a fun swap either way. Love this Elantra lol
 
snowman_pr
Funny thing, a stock engine Elantra N tuned to 700PP, another Elantra N with the 3UZ V8 swap with the same suspension settings from the previous stock engine one also at 699PP, and the Elantra TC maxed out at 697PP; just tenths of a second of difference between the three at DragonTrail Seaside

Huh 🤷🏻‍♂️😊
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It's because when you do an engine swap, that car gets 'magic' weight distribution.

For example, the MX5 gets 110kgs of V8, yet the fr / rr weight distribution doesn't change (?), so get another '15 MX5 and put 110kgs of ballast and start moving it towards the heavier (engine end)....

Do a side by side comparison, 2 brand new cars straight from dealer, one has engine swap, the other doesn't, the only other mod allowed is ballast.

Use 110kgs (to replicate weight of engine on MX5 only - use whatever the weight penalty is for the swap for each car), move this forward one click at a time. Then do the same for the engine swap car, then do this for the Veyron swapped R8, Csl etc etc etc, none of them will match or do the 'norm' of what happens when you add more weight to the 'heavy' end of an unswapped car (the more weight you add, the sooner the f/r wd changes).

MX5 '15, figures below are in this order:

F/r Weight distribution / position for stock car / position for engine swapped car

110kgs ballast:
54/46 -8 / -9
55/45 -18 / -20
56/44 -28 / -31
57/43 -38 / -42
58/42 -48 / n/a

The engine swapped car has an extra 110kgs (on top of the engine swap), yet it manages a better f/r weight distribution as it takes longer for it to change, for the worse.

BMW CSL
57kgs ballast:
51/49 -12 / -12
52/48 -35 / -36

R8 Veyron
142kgs ballast:
43/57 +12 / +13
42/58 +23 / +25
41/59 +35 / +37
40/60 +46 / +49

(disclaimer - this was done after hefty amount of vodka, so there might be one or 2 numerical errors / typo's, but the point, as a whole is there....)
 
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For disclaimer purposes, as I said on my previous post, all three cars are tuned to 700PP.

The TC car is at 697.26 with Racing Soft tires

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The Elantra N (stock engine) is full 700.00PP with Racing Medium tires

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The 3UZ swapped one is 699.24 with Racing Medium tires

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So in terms of PP and performance they're so well balanced. The stock engine car is quicker thru curves. The swapped one is faster on straights yet 200lbs heavier. The TC is a perfect blend of the two (also by being on Softs of course it'll get the grip boost). Hence why I meant by funny surprised. And of course seconds can be shaved off from all three cars as the runs were made best lap out of three.

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snowman_pr
For disclaimer purposes, as I said on my previous post, all three cars are tuned to 700PP.

The TC car is at 697.26 with Racing Soft tires

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The Elantra N (stock engine) is full 700.00PP with Racing Medium tires

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The 3UZ swapped one is 699.24 with Racing Medium tires

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So in terms of PP and performance they're so well balanced. The stock engine car is quicker thru curves. The swapped one is faster on straights yet 200lbs heavier. The TC is a perfect blend of the two (also by being on Softs of course it'll get the grip boost). Hence why I meant by funny surprised. And of course seconds can be shaved off from all three cars as the runs were made best lap out of three.

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Good stuff..
 

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