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Famine
Rectomancy, with 267% certainty.
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Had to look that up.


Rectomancy = 21st century update to OG W. AG.
 
Zenwarrior
Yes, but they need to update the game to include the new car unless it was sneaked in during spec ii update, but Nenkai didn't say anything about it.
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Nenkai has been pretty careful lately about not specifically spoiling surprises.
 
The amount of intense loathing I see for these VGTs sometimes is amusing. I never had too much of a problem with them in the first place but I remember someone bringing up that the manufacturers are the ones that do all the digital modeling and PD just has to translate that into the game. Not nearly as time and resource-consuming as them designing their own cars or scanning real ones so it's a "oh cool an extra car" thing for me personally.
 
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atfmarko
for unknown vgt car which will get added...
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As Famine has pointed out, your percentages add up to 267% chance of you thinking it will be one of those cars..... That's not how percentages work.
 
watto79
As Famine has pointed out, your percentages add up to 267% chance of you thinking it will be one of those cars..... That's not how percentages work.
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I don't know , how teachers teach math " calculations" in each country...but percentages of "chances by single target" aren't around combined 100% rule ... in my case
maybe some people could open up some books and not play games for 20 hours a day ...
so if anybody is offended by my post I apologise...

example:
calculation " by single target "
eggs 2% possibility out of 100%
sausage 10% possibility out of 100%

calculation " by combined target "
eggs 20%
sausage 80%
= 100% combined rule

IS IT MORE CLEAR NOW, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY?
 
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I still don't understand why we don't have Championship Races in Offline mode like in Forza Motorsport with the Builders Cup...???
 
atfmarko
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I don't know , how teachers teach math " calculations" in each country...but percentages of "chances by single target" aren't around combined 100% rule ... in my case
maybe some people could open up some books and not play games for 20 hours a day ...
so if anybody is offended by my post I apologise...

example:
calculation " by single target "
eggs 2% possibility out of 100%
sausage 10% possibility out of 100%

calculation " by combined target "
eggs 20%
sausage 80%
= 100% combined rule

IS IT MORE CLEAR NOW, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY?
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We're talking about probability here. You've given a list of cars you think it could be and a percentage probability for each one.

You could have a 50% chance it's car a or a 50% chance it's car B. There's a 100% chance it's car A or car B.

You can't say there's a 50% chance it's car A and a 60% chance its car B.


atfmarko
maybe some people could open up some books and not play games for 20 hours a day ...
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There's no need for insults. I was just pointing something out because I didn't understand your 267% chance of one of your cars being the unknown one. We're probably not going to agree on this so let's leave it here.
 
Deni323
Yeah but that's the thing it's not a car, it doesn't exist outside digital world it's someone's drawing and fantasy.

And that's fine but they sell it like oh look we added another car in the game now you have more cars. No we don't.
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They don't "sell it" as anything. It's a free addition, and it's really not marketed in any significant way - it feels like you're really just complaining for the sake of it.

Do you have a problem with tracks that don't exist outside the digital world, too? Honest question.
 
Rocket Racer
They don't "sell it" as anything. It's a free addition, and it's really not marketed in any significant way - it feels like you're really just complaining for the sake of it.

Do you have a problem with tracks that don't exist outside the digital world, too? Honest question.
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I would prefer more real tracks over digital ones yes, but I don't mind them as much I do VGT cartoon cars.

I feel like they belong in trackmania, fortnite or similar games and not in simulator/simcade game
 
JTB10000
The amount of intense loathing I see for these VGTs sometimes is amusing. I never had too much of a problem with them in the first place but I remember someone bringing up that the manufacturers are the ones that do all the digital modeling and PD just has to translate that into the game. Not nearly as time and resource-consuming as them designing their own cars or scanning real ones so it's a "oh cool an extra car" thing for me personally.
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Modelling, no. But I guess PD still has to build the physics model for these cars, and I can’t imagine that’s something that is quickly done.

It’s easy to forget the physics model for every single car (plus the tuning effects) all need to be modelled, tested, and implemented.
 
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I honestly doubt the amount of time to build, perfect and refine the Mercedes AMG Vision GT took anywhere near as long as it did to do the same to the AMG GT3 2020.

MatskiMonk
If you don't hate on VGT's to flex how much of a supr srs simy sim racer bro you are, you might not even be a fan of sim racing.
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Don't tell them about the secret tank in the official TOCA BTCC game, they would lose their minds.
 
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Deni323
Yeah but that's the thing it's not a car, it doesn't exist outside digital world it's someone's drawing and fantasy.

And that's fine but they sell it like oh look we added another car in the game now you have more cars. No we don't.
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I guess the GTA series has absolutely zero cars whatsoever then.
 
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I really think there is no argument that taking time to model VGTs takes away from modelling any other car. Look how long it took to get the E30. I’m sure VGTs halted the progress of that. :rolleyes:

Seriously, after twenty-five years and just over one month until the twenty-sixth anniversary, I doubt VGT inclusion hampered any progress in any Gran Turismo game. There been a whole host of reasons(only PD knows) certain cars(let’s not even mention tracks) haven’t appeared, reappeared or may be on hold.
I doubt the LFA was shown the hand before the ItalDesign VGTs had to be added first.

What PD really should do, is have players send in their designs for a Vision Gran Turismo. That would surely take valuable resources away from finally adding that Ferrari 296 GT3 and/or Toyota GT-One.
 
Fezzik
Which do we like - alpha, bravo or charlie?

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Alpha in Gr1 seems a good bet.
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I don't particularly feel like wading into the VGT debate tonight, but one thing I will say is, if whatever VGT this is does end up in Gr.1, I hope they just design it as a Gr.1 from the outset like they did the Audi and the L750R instead of having both the base VGT and a "Gr.1 version" that's 99% the same.
 
Tired Tyres
VGT are a waste of dev time. Each one made is one more real car that doesn’t get in the game.
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Famine
For that matter, VGTs take considerably less time than almost anything else to make, because there is no car to scan. PD get the digital CAD files right from the manufacturer. They're the easiest (relatively speaking) cars to produce - while the fictional Gr3 cars are the biggest time sink of all.

We're not talking about a modelling team being too busy to make models of real cars (that they don't have the licence to include anyway) because of Vision GT. No VGT is taking the place of a real car you could have had instead. It's taking the place of... nothing.
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Fezzik
Which do we like - alpha, bravo or charlie?

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Alpha in Gr1 seems a good bet.
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Alpha feels the most like a GR.1 car, other 2 feel more like they could be GR.3 alternatives as none of them give that prototype vibe the way the Nissan GT-R LM Nismo does.

Nakano219
I don't particularly feel like wading into the VGT debate tonight, but one thing I will say is, if whatever VGT this is does end up in Gr.1, I hope they just design it as a Gr.1 from the outset like they did the Audi and the L750R instead of having both the base VGT and a "Gr.1 version" that's 99% the same.
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I wouldn't say that about the Tomahawk, its the LEAST extreme of all of them given it has no boost of any kind nor the aero trickery and it honestly looks like it could be a Hypercar (Might even be faster then the "Vanwall" AND barbecue less :lol: ) . The Alpine likewise at least has far more obvious physical difference between it and the track toy based normal VGT variants. Everything else I do kinda agree feels abit lazy as someone not as aware would have to be told the GR.1 version of the Hyundai is the one with Gears or the GR.1 version of the Mazda has no AWD. And then the Bugatti has...a different windshield banner, different colored exhausts and Less power..thats it.
 
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In a game with almost 500 cars, players still feel entitled to complain about a piece of content that has been proven time and time again to not take away their favorite car additions to the game.

We've been doing this for 10 years guys and the closest this has ever been to being true was GT6 and GT6 was 10 years ago.

You guys act like Kaz is just waiting for car manufacturers to design these cars and just lets the studio sit around doing nothing else.
 
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