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MIE1992
Can I briefly discuss branding of cars?

First off, I think the McLaren F1 GTR from '97 should be listed as a McLaren, rather than a BMW. Sure, it has a BMW engine, but so does the GR Supra. I get the idea that this car is listed as a BMW as a hold-over from GT4, before Gran Turismo was able to formally introduce McLaren into the series.

Second, I have no idea why so many modern Mercedes-AMG cars are listed under AMG rather than Mercedes, despite the latter buying out the former some years ago. I think the Mercedes-Benz and AMG relationship should be similar to Nissan and Nismo; the Nismo 400R is indeed listed as a Nismo model, whereas cars that have been tuned by Nismo after Nissan more fully-integrated them are listed as Nissan models, like the GT-R Nismo. So something like the 300 SEL from 1971 would continue to be listed as an AMG model, as would some of the non-Mercedes models tuned by AMG, like the AMG Galant. I think Mercedes formally created Mercedes-AMG in '99, too, so I think any AMG car from before that should be an AMG.

Or maybe AMG really did transform enough Mercedes vehicles to warrant its own brand in Brand Central. I still hope we get that AMG-tuned Galant, though. That'd be a real curveball. Either way, I suppose I don't get why something like the GT-R Nismo is listed as a Nissan whereas something like the Mercedes-AMG C63 is an AMG.

EDIT: I'm sure there's some relatively complex licensing thing going on here, especially when it comes to official naming of cars. Like it's not called the Nismo GT-R, it's the Nissan GT-R Nismo.
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The BMW McLaren F1 GTR is because this is a factory BMW entry from 1997, it always was. BMW and McLaren had a partnership going on in '97 wherein they'd field the F1 GTR as a factory just like McLaren was fielding their own F1 GTRs.

Turns out this Fina car is one of those BMWs. As for AMG I think its just the brand licensing listing all AMG models as AMGs regardless of them being built before the merger or not. Like how they did SRT back in GT6.
 
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MIE1992
Can I briefly discuss branding of cars?

First off, I think the McLaren F1 GTR from '97 should be listed as a McLaren, rather than a BMW. Sure, it has a BMW engine, but so does the GR Supra. I get the idea that this car is listed as a BMW as a hold-over from GT4, before Gran Turismo was able to formally introduce McLaren into the series.

Second, I have no idea why so many modern Mercedes-AMG cars are listed under AMG rather than Mercedes, despite the latter buying out the former some years ago. I think the Mercedes-Benz and AMG relationship should be similar to Nissan and Nismo; the Nismo 400R is indeed listed as a Nismo model, whereas cars that have been tuned by Nismo after Nissan more fully-integrated them are listed as Nissan models, like the GT-R Nismo. So something like the 300 SEL from 1971 would continue to be listed as an AMG model, as would some of the non-Mercedes models tuned by AMG, like the AMG Galant. I think Mercedes formally created Mercedes-AMG in '99, too, so I think any AMG car from before that should be an AMG.

Or maybe AMG really did transform enough Mercedes vehicles to warrant its own brand in Brand Central. I still hope we get that AMG-tuned Galant, though. That'd be a real curveball. Either way, I suppose I don't get why something like the GT-R Nismo is listed as a Nissan whereas something like the Mercedes-AMG C63 is an AMG.

EDIT: I'm sure there's some relatively complex licensing thing going on here, especially when it comes to official naming of cars. Like it's not called the Nismo GT-R, it's the Nissan GT-R Nismo.
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I would also add that they should have the Mini listed as a car from the UK, not a German car. It is one the britishiest British cars in all of Britain’s history, and the original one has nothing to do with the situation today, so please give it back where it belongs
 
MIE1992
Can I briefly discuss branding of cars?

First off, I think the McLaren F1 GTR from '97 should be listed as a McLaren, rather than a BMW. Sure, it has a BMW engine, but so does the GR Supra. I get the idea that this car is listed as a BMW as a hold-over from GT4, before Gran Turismo was able to formally introduce McLaren into the series.
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Thing is, this didn't just happen with Gran Turismo 4.

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And it even happened with the 1996 Short tail:

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This comes down to the car's owner: BMW themselves. Any Mclaren ran under the "BMW Motorsports" team name in 1996 and 1997 was basically a BMW and this continues to be the case for the 3 factory cars BMW maintains. Chassis 26R (The specific Longtail featured in GT from GT4 to GT7 as well as Total Immersion Racing and R: Racing Revolution) is maintained by BMW (Specifically, the BMW Museum) and this goes for both 1996 Short tails with Chassis 17R (Car #39) currently residing with BMW North America and Chassis 18R (Car #38, featured in Enthusia) is with BMW. So if anyone has an issue with that, take it up with BMW.

And before someone brings up Project Cars, I want to point out an important detail.

The longtail as it appears in PCARS 1:

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The Longtail as it appears in GT7:

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Notice the Steering Wheel? That is exclusive to Chassis 26R still maintained by BMW


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Every other chassis not currently owned by BMW does not have that BMW logo in the steering wheel. Perfect examples include all the 3 sold former Factory BMW Longtails, starting with Chassis 21R:

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Chassis 23R, a car formally owned by Lawrence Stroll:

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And Chassis 24R as ran by the EMKA racing team in the 1999 Privilege GT Championship:

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My best guess for PD continuing to use 26R is simply down to convenience. Its functionally the same car so while they are licensing the M6 GT3s and Z4 GT3, why not have it as well? Its also worth nothing that in every GT game its appeared in as well as the previously mentioned other 2 games, it appears alongside the V12 LMR and either the 2001 BMW M3 GTR or the 2011 BMW M3 GT.
 
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Unsure why they are so secretive about this. They aren't showing up for me.
 
I honestly just assumed the Longtail kept being licensed under BMW possibly because not just because BMW owned that particular variation, but also because it was just cheaper to use BMW as a license.
 
Now on Spotify (SEA region): GRAN TURISMO 7 ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK BEST LAP VOL.1 and GRAN TURISMO 7 JAZZ SELECTION BEST LAP VOL.2.





My personal highlights:
  • Slightly different versions of "It's All About You" and "Shadows of our Past"
  • 5 unused (?) Race Start and Race Results jingles
  • The full GT7 version of Moon Over the Castle, which is 7 minutes long and includes the intro organ section previously only heard in GT World Series events and a brand new outro!
 
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RACECAR
Unsure why they are so secretive about this. They aren't showing up for me.
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There's a date at the end: December 22nd. So it's not out yet, presumably.
 
There's new mixes of quite a few songs that aren't in the game (meaning the old mixes are).
The What to Believe mix in the playlist is absolutely sensational. It sounds incredible.

Also Race Start/End 05 is unused and is so funky, I love it.
 
MIE1992
Can I briefly discuss branding of cars?

First off, I think the McLaren F1 GTR from '97 should be listed as a McLaren, rather than a BMW. Sure, it has a BMW engine, but so does the GR Supra. I get the idea that this car is listed as a BMW as a hold-over from GT4, before Gran Turismo was able to formally introduce McLaren into the series.
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The McLaren F1 was run with official factory support from BMW, and was officially entered as team BMW in the ‘97 FIA GT Championship

edit: didn’t realize this was already answered
 
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PettyWingman
Are they now visible to you on YouTube, too?
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Not yet. Will presumably appear when the US hits midnight like with "SHiENA" (a Daiki Kasho-produced album by EXiNA) last year.
 
Sorry for the double post, but the OST is up now in the US. And... it looks like my favorite song just got updated with better... everything! Holy...

 
VinylRichie
I would also add that they should have the Mini listed as a car from the UK, not a German car. It is one the britishiest British cars in all of Britain’s history, and the original one has nothing to do with the situation today, so please give it back where it belongs
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100% this. I am German. If you asked Germans on the street whether they thought Mini was German or British all of them would say British. BMW owning the brand doesn't make it a German car for anyone.

Did they maybe incorporate a whole new Mini entity that is actually registered in Germany? I have no idea why else PD would list them this way.
 
Wilsonson
100% this. I am German. If you asked Germans on the street whether they thought Mini was German or British all of them would say British. BMW owning the brand doesn't make it a German car for anyone.

Did they maybe incorporate a whole new Mini entity that is actually registered in Germany? I have no idea why else PD would list them this way.
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Absolutely! (Bin auch aus Deutschland btw😉)
Also can’t see that anyone would say its a German car, no matter if it’s the old or new one.
I think you are right, MINI as a brand has its HQ in Munich, so technically it’s a German brand now. But even if we could agree that somehow the modern MINI is a German car, the original never was and never will be, it just doesn’t make sense.
 
After finally the f1 gtr popped up for sale and with my recently acquired wealth in the metal grinding business, this beauty in now mine rocking the 19r livery, although ive noticed the hand shifting animation is the wrong way around, upshift should be towards the back and downshift towards the front
 
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gtmen3006
After finally the f1 gtr popped up for sale and with my recently acquired wealth in the metal grinding business, this beauty in now mine rocking the 19r livery, although ive noticed the hand shifting animation is the wrong way around, upshift should be towards the back and downshift towards the front
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The shifting pattern is correct for this car.
Some (or many) of the customers didn't like it and inverted the shifter, but this BMW Motorsport one retains its original shifting pattern.
 
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yep you are right,i never noticed that,thanks for bringing that up ,another excuse to watch some onboards! ;)
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There's never a bad reason to watch onboards of this glorious thing 👍

And funny enough, our old friend Chassis 26R is in the first video.
 
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Reminds me of the time people were curious about the ticking clock tachometers in old racecars and thought it was a bug.

GT7 certainly has tons of details even we didn't realize before playing this game.
 
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silverman_GT
Now on Spotify (SEA region): GRAN TURISMO 7 ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK BEST LAP VOL.1 and GRAN TURISMO 7 JAZZ SELECTION BEST LAP VOL.2.





My personal highlights:
  • Slightly different versions of "It's All About You" and "Shadows of our Past"
  • 5 unused (?) Race Start and Race Results jingles
  • The full GT7 version of Moon Over the Castle, which is 7 minutes long and includes the intro organ section previously only heard in GT World Series events and a brand new outro!
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We finally get a GT7 Official Soundtrack...and it's on Spotify. Granted, music streaming is popular and preferred by most people but I've collected all of the albums throughout the years and it's a bummer that there won't be (for now) a physical medium release.

I'll take what I can get, I guess. Better than nothing.
 
Nebuc72
I'd hope PD knows how a car works by now.
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Why wouldn't they know. They're paid to develop a realistic driving simulation. It's literally their job. I'm interested to know why you think these things or that you know more about game development or realism than a First party sony studio that has been working at this very same thing for decades. Do you know how a car works?
 
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wheelhp
Why wouldn't they know. They're paid to develop a realistic driving simulation. It's literally their job. I'm interested to know why you think these things or that you know more about game development or realism than a First party sony studio that has been working at this very same thing for decades. Do you know how a car works?
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Did you even read the context of my reply or did you just go through my posts seeing red because I told you to unlock Catalunya in another thread? Odd behaviour.
 
sparkytooth
Reminds me of the time people were curious about the ticking clock tachometers in old racecars and thought it was a bug.

GT7 certainly has tons of details even we didn't realize before playing this game.
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Would you like this? (Turn on the subtitles)
 
Do we already have an expectation of when the next patch will be released? Ty in advance
 
abaeta
Do we already have an expectation of when the next patch will be released? Ty in advance
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PD have said that the new VGT cars (Genesis and Bulgari) will be added in a January update. That's all we know.
 
abaeta
Do we already have an expectation of when the next patch will be released? Ty in advance
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My educated guess would be on the 25th of January.
 
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