Gran Turismo HD Demo at E3

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With that price on the G25, I'm glad I "bought" mine from an ADD friend who has since forgotten that I owe him $80... :lol:

I'm kinda disappointed in that shifter H-gate, though....what's up with the 7-gate pattern? They should have just included the 8th gate to add more versatility -- reverse is in the wrong place compared to plenty of cars, including pretty much every BMW ever made. :indiff:
 
Wolfe2x7
I'm kinda disappointed in that shifter H-gate, though....what's up with the 7-gate pattern? They should have just included the 8th gate to add more versatility -- reverse is in the wrong place compared to plenty of cars, including pretty much every BMW ever made. :indiff:
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I really like that you can switch betwenn the paddles and the stick. Any yes, you are right, that whle thing with the BMW's kinda sucks. Some of the cars have an 7 speed gearbox, M5 comes to mind, and some cars have a 8 speed gear box, Skyline 350-GTB comes to mind. Just some of my thought. I think that the F1 paddles are OK for the F1 car(s) that are in/might be in the game, but for EVERY car? Ill take the stick over the paddles any day. Nothing beats slaming thought the gears!:D
 
opendriver19a
I really like that you can switch betwenn the paddles and the stick. Any yes, you are right, that whle thing with the BMW's kinda sucks. Some of the cars have an 7 speed gearbox, M5 comes to mind, and some cars have a 8 speed gear box, Skyline 350-GTB comes to mind. Just some of my thought. I think that the F1 paddles are OK for the F1 car(s) that are in/might be in the game, but for EVERY car? Ill take the stick over the paddles any day. Nothing beats slaming thought the gears!:D
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Actually, the only 7-speed cars that have been produced so far are either sequential-manual (M5) or automatic (Mercedes-Benz), and the Skyline 350-GT8 is just an "8-speed" CVT. ;)

Despite that 7-gate fault, I wonder if Logitech will also sell the pedals/shifter separately? :dopey: The wheel doesn't seem like a huge improvement over the DFP, other than its size, simplicity, and perhaps the strength (and hopefully noise) of the motors...it would be nice to be able to upgrade the pedals and shifter, and worry about upgrading the wheel when the DFP doesn't work anymore. :)
 
Kaz, if you've (for all intents and purposes) got nothing to show, don't bother.

Those HD GT4 graphics just make a mockery of the PS3's power, and actually cast the system in a bad light in some ways. For many people who've casually watched the Sony E3 conference without quite understanding that the game ISN'T representative of GT5, it does look pretty damn awful and underwhelming, especially when you expect great things from the dev. It sends a message that in some ways, PD are comfortable with showing these graphics on a PS3. They should be embarrassed - low poly/low-res textured PS2 assets have NO place on PS3 (in public at least), regardless of the stage of development. To show PS2 assets on PS3 on no less than 3 different occassions, is unecceptable.

GT games are known for pushing amazing graphics, this Sony conference was just embarrassing for PD. It would have been less disappointing had PD simply promoted TT and thrown a wry grin when people asked about GT5.

This GT HD trailer informed me of precisely NOTHING that I didn't already know. We already knew GT5 will be in HD, we know it will most run very nicely and smooth... That is ALL that was communicated. We had already seen those great RX-7 and EVO car models and expected much MORE. It was a pointless trailer that served no purpose other than for PD to have SOMETHING to show at E3.

If I sound really let down after expecting a trailer that was actually PS3 GT5 (after PD showing nearly nothing of GT5 so far), its because I am very sorely disappointed. :(
 
If the article clearly states that this deal will NOT the next GT, why say it is? I don't know. Maybe some people WANT to start trouble while we're all fighting among ourselves.

At first, I noticed cars... but bikes too? There's already Tourist Trophy, so why them with cars? This is only bad news about their E3 details for one reason- no new tracks or cars. What I DID see was 12 to a track, after I sort of hoped for maybe 20 at best. These high-profile games can't be made in very short order. PD doesn't need to be in a rush to bring a game out. Didn't GT2 teach you anything about releasing games and making them as complete as possible? Remember the 98% bug? Remember the Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR not making it in? GT5 should be made to be better than GT4, yet be as complete. You need to be thankful you're getting THIS much out of PD than nothing at all. What else can you do? Did you wish SquareSoft (now SquareEnix) would hurry up with Final Fantasies 7 and 8 and stop d:censored:ing around? What makes PD any different? If you honestly think GTHD = GT5 or VGT = GT5, suggestion: get admitted to a mental hospital and don't come back until fully healthy. I still believe PD is working on this back in Japan and haven't made too much progress as many would like. There's always the Tokyo Game Show to show off what the hell PD have come up with. This should only a disappointment for people who expected to see GT5 at the show, not to say that i was expecting GT5. Because let's face it. It's too unrealistic to say that a game as big as GT5 could be accomplished in less than a year. PD would have to be EXTREMELY cheap to do such a thing. They'd basically add EVERYTHING from GT4, put in some extra cars (shut up with the "extra Skylines" comment, 'cause I know you're going to say that in response to my "extra cars" deal), Valencia from Tourist Trophy, call it GT5 and boom- a REAL incomplete version of GT4 rebadged as GT5. PD is not that lazy and "Gran Turismo" is not "Dead or Alive."

I'll have to do some extra reading. I do think some good progress is being made. My key complaint would be to be quiet until actual game footage is released. GT5 info or pictures can come as early as this year's Tokyo Game Show or next year's E3. It's just too damn early to declare ANYTHING about GT5 at this point. If this is a prototype of GT5 using elements from GT4, then what point does anyone have to make that what we're talking about is the next GT? Some of you just MAKE games bad when not giving them a chance. That even pertains to "concepts" and tech demos like this one. Do any of you take into account that PD is probably (1) still working on the game and don't have enough to actually show progress, or even (2) just want to provide insight as to what to look forward to in GT5 while GT5 probably isn't even in a Beta stage? It's the same thing I've said during GT4's making and you all blasted me for my views. There isn't much to show GT5 at this point. And if you want incomplete, it's called GT3. GT3 is actually a worse case than GT2. You talk about GT3.5, well GT3 was GT2.5 while GT4 was lessons learned from GT3.

You can curse me out and jump on me for stating this, but it's just TOO DAMN EARLY to confirm ANYTHING about GT5 at this point. Okay, so plan your curse words and foul comments towards me even though I'm telling the 99% truth.
 
JohnBM01
You can curse me out and jump on me for stating this, but it's just TOO DAMN EARLY to confirm ANYTHING about GT5 at this point. Okay, so plan your curse words and foul comments towards me even though I'm telling the 99% truth.
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Anyway, I agree. We won't be seeing GT5 until 2009, if GT3-GT4 is any indication, so we shouldn't expect to see anything for a while, now.
 
****, that wheel is awesome dude!!! at least we got now 6 speed h pattern. Logitech was probably thinking...ya anyway most of the cars in world had 5 and they have usually now 6 gears...
just the BMW ///M cars and the new ///AMG Benz cars they got seven....ok

but still guys, thats and such cool wheel, and i'm gonna get fo sho!! :D
 
Well, I actually thought that "Gran Turismo HD" would be the GT4.5 on the way to GT5. As you said by yourself, there's no way we will see GT5 as soon as Kaz said, which would only be another reason to sell "Gran Turismo HD". And why not, all the data is already there. Merge GT4 and TT, make it HD, and you've got a nice PS3 launch title.

Regards
the Interceptor
 
James2097
Kaz, if you've (for all intents and purposes) got nothing to show, don't bother.

Those HD GT4 graphics just make a mockery of the PS3's power, and actually cast the system in a bad light in some ways. For many people who've casually watched the Sony E3 conference without quite understanding that the game ISN'T representative of GT5, it does look pretty damn awful and underwhelming, especially when you expect great things from the dev. It sends a message that in some ways, PD are comfortable with showing these graphics on a PS3. They should be embarrassed - low poly/low-res textured PS2 assets have NO place on PS3 (in public at least), regardless of the stage of development. To show PS2 assets on PS3 on no less than 3 different occassions, is unecceptable.
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Um, except for the fact that GT HD was showing graphics that are not in the least bit available on the PS2. The trailer wasn't running PS2 graphics.
 
Why did Kaz even show up with that rubbish for an excuse of a PS3 game?
PD are going backwards showing this crap!!

If they can't show anything new and Jaw-dropping dont show anything at all.
Considering their great games on the previous consoles I really can't understand their logic here.

PD you have dissapointed many fans with this display.Get your act together or you won't hold the racing crown for too much longer!!
 
If you people were really die-hard GT fans like myself then you'd relish the opportunity to purchase any Gran Turismo no matter what it looks like, how it plays etc.

Just like because i'm such a huge GTA fan i will be buying the PS2 version of Liberty City Stories when it is released here, without reading a review/renting it out or even without knowing anything about it. The fact that it is another GTA game has already made me a definate buyer, just like any future GT games will as well.
 
so this "demo" is displaying onscreen up to 12 times the amount of info that GT4 on the PS2 shows

it is Hard-Drive optimised

& shows a stable 60 1080P-definition frames-per-second

not bad for a "demo" , would like to know what the spec of the PC was that they were running it on

sure they are saying its GT4 based - you can take that with a pinch of salt - GT5 development would have started as soon as dev for GT4 stopped .

what we need to see is a final build of the PS3 running this demo instead of their own PC

the Blu-Ray discs have plenty of space , if they combine GT with TT into one game - thats going to be great

Sony setting up their own LIVE! counterpart - awesome
 
Mustang-man
If you people were really die-hard GT fans like myself then you'd relish the opportunity to purchase any Gran Turismo no matter what it looks like, how it plays etc.
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Point perfectly well made. I don't see anything down the road that could even come close to the experience of plaiyng Gran Turismo anyway. Of course there are a lot of nice racing games. Some are more realistic, some are designed better, some have cars Gran Tursimo doesn't have. Still, I've never seen a single game that has attracted me as much as the GT series.
And I am satisfied with what I get, instead of demanding this and that all the time and bashing Polyphony cause they do things I don't like. They could as well stop making GT games, would that satisfy you guys? Stick with what you get, and if you don't want to, go play some other game.

Regards
the Interceptor
 
Wow, what do you people want? A freakin Holodeck!!??
So what if GTHD is GT4 with better graphics,
Its GT4 with better graphics for crying out loud!!! If they release GTHD I'm getting it, it'll look glorious on my 1080p HDTV!!!
If I have to wait for GT5 I'll do that too, I just hope I don't have to wait long!
I still play GT4 more than any game I have & I am still having fun playing it, playing it in HD would be even better.

I won't be waiting for GT5 to buy my PS3 (and I'll get the $599 version with 60G hard drive, WiFi, HDMI & card reader) I'll get it as soon as I can get my hands on one!!
Between the games & Blue Ray Disc capibilities it will be a bargan at $599!!!

I just hope my DFP wheel works with the PS3 because between the PS3, the games & the Blue Ray Disc movies I'll be buying, I'll need to wait a couple of months to get that new wheel!!
 
please remember :

GT5 wont be out untill after November

6 months , if they show fully what they have in store it gives the competition 6 months to play catch up

some things hard to conceptualise - become so obvious when you see them in 3D operating
 
RACECAR
no new cars I just got through watching the video and I saw the Pescarolo C60 and the Team Oreca Audi R8 from Le mans 05. I'm surprised no one noticed.
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I mean new models altogether, not a slightly updated or repainted car. (BTW I admit I didn't notice the 05 lemans cars, wasnt paying that much attention)

Oh yes I and I do rememner people spotting them in the Vision GT vids.
 
This thread is rife with all sorts of nonesense. Do most people even read before they write? It's called GT HD DEMO, all it is showing is what PD has learned abou the PS3 processor, the tricks they are discovering about the system. The simple fact that at TGS they had two vastly differently modeled cars; the Evo 9 and the RX-7 should be clear enough to those who saw it. How idiotic of anyone to think that this is GT5 by anymeans, heck on the le Sarthe track you can see the gran turismo 4 label on the walls, and the watermark is on the damn screen.

Soo many individuals quick to shoot off their mouthes, step back and breathe a little. Kaz is obviously attempting to see what else they can do in the realm of GT. If bikes make it in so be it, you don't have to use em, dammit I swear online individuals can be some of the most impatient, incontinent, babbling morons ever. I've seen both GT-HD videos, I have noticed that all they did was play with visuals, the car count have been almost halved, different lighting techniques have been added, simultaneous implementation of two types of physics engines and most of all resolutions that haven't even been seen anywhere. All this leads me to believe is that PD are just testing things out, what was the reception of seeing cars and bikes together. While showing off what PS3 is capable of and they aren't halfway deep into the meat of the system.

TGS showed off two cars that make the entire GT4 look like crap, so you can bet your bottom dollar that GT-HD ain't GT5. Now for the rest of us with some sort of level heads, we actually can see that PD is just trying to see what else works, give them credit where it's due, they are definately the hardest working bunch of driving enthusiasts I've ever heard of. Now they have a machine that can pretty much allow them to go a lot further, I'll wait for GT5 to launch then buy a PS3.
 
SavageEvil
This thread is rife with all sorts of nonesense. Do most people even read before they write? It's called GT HD DEMO, all it is showing is what PD has learned abou the PS3 processor, the tricks they are discovering about the system. The simple fact that at TGS they had two vastly differently modeled cars; the Evo 9 and the RX-7 should be clear enough to those who saw it. How idiotic of anyone to think that this is GT5 by anymeans, heck on the le Sarthe track you can see the gran turismo 4 label on the walls, and the watermark is on the damn screen.
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I didn't see anyone say that the shown pictures are from GT5. Like I said before, I did think that "Gran Turismo HD" would actually be released to bypass the time to GT5. A misinterpretation of the given information led to this false impression. Only later, I read that GTHD was made for the E3 exclusively.

**** happens I'd say... :dunce:

Regards
the Interceptor
 
after seeing one demo show the improved car count and one showing some altered visuals, I wonder what else will they show that is being touched on. seems like piece by piece PD is experimenting.
 
Interceptor, I'm speaking in terms of what they think the game might be upon release. Just read the dissappointed posts and you'll see why I put that in my response.

Now did anyone notice the sounds of that Nismo 350Z, those were definately not from GT4, they were very crisp and clear, and not the tinny sounds you're used to in GT4 retail.
 
SavageEvil
Now did anyone notice the sounds of that Nismo 350Z, those were definately not from GT4, they were very crisp and clear, and not the tinny sounds you're used to in GT4 retail.
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I remember the sounds in GT4 trailers were a lot better than GT3 at the time, but come retail they sounded wet compared to them. Hell even the website has real car sounds on it and not the games.
 
I'm sure GT5 will look much better. GTHD looks terrible.. well, nearly the same in a higher res and the grand canyon didnt even have dust like GT4. Anyways, I'm sure it was just to have "something" for E3.
 
Well, look at it like this. When SquareEnix shown that demo of Final Fantasy 7 as a PS3 Tech Demo, how many of you thought that Final Fantasy 7 was going to be re-released? You might as well say that about that tech demo if you're so reluctant to knock on PD for their demonstration at E3. Or what about Final Fantasy XIII being shown even though FF XII isn't out yet? I think a number of you are too quick to complain and usually at the wrong things. You may as well tell Microsoft to make a playable demo of Forza Motorsport 2 instead of a demo. I'm sorry... there are just some times in which I can't stand certain criticisms about such games. It almost reminds me of G4 show "Judgment Day" when pitting GT4 against Enthusia Professional Racing. The dudes said that both games were horrible and gave a "slight edge" to GT4. How many people loved GT4, then how many liked Enthusia? Problem solved.

I still think GT5 is going to be mind-blowing either later this year or at next year's E3. If they were COMPLETELY lazy, then each gaming convention between GT3 and now would have shown very slow progress. The PD outfit claims to be perfectionists and want to get the details down as best as possible. It's a gaming philosophy many of you just have to. But if this was such a farce at this year's E3, then do something about it. I like to think of this more like when a car company unveils a concept car. Chances are, a concept could be in production or not see production. It can also be an interpretation of the designer's/designers' imagination(s). But this is a game. I don't think PD is going to be as lazy as many of you criticize PD. And like Concept Cars, sometimes you have to decode and decipher them so that you have an idea as to what the future may hold for this game and this series. The last thing I'd hate to imagine is people just going off on the mouth talking all kinds of crap that really drives me insane. I've read it all, like "maybe GT9273 is going to have more Skylines, a Civic, and a prototype wheelchair." Do you actually think they are going to be like that? Then you need help.

No new content, no problem. Let's at least use this information and decide where PD could go in the future. They are making GT5 using these little hints and teasers, and all most of you are doing is not giving them a chance or jumping to conclusions. Again. Too early. I'm sure amar212, ALPHA, and many others are going to offer up their own respective updates on GT5 between now and then. We need to use these demos to think about GT5. That's something we COULD be doing instead of criticizing PD for a game that's still in the works with nothing to actually report to the media. Give PD a chance and they might give you the GT love you've craved since GT4.

Finally, I think SavageEvil is savagely true in Post #108.
 
the Interceptor
And I am satisfied with what I get, instead of demanding this and that all the time and bashing Polyphony cause they do things I don't like. They could as well stop making GT games, would that satisfy you guys? Stick with what you get, and if you don't want to, go play some other game.

Regards
the Interceptor
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I can see your point - and heck, I thought so, too, as GT4 was announced (and pushed back).
But if the fans continue to buy anything PD offers and never criticise them for doing the same mistakes over and over again, they'll think they can get away with anything.


Now, why didn't they include lights when you go reverse? Why are there the same, 2000 year old engine-samples they use since GT1? 90% of the cars sound exactly the same just because they are too lazy to record new ones (?), as well as that famous (and really cheap) tire-squeal they use since GT1.

Six cars ... all that can be done without changing the graphics too much - and i wouldn't mind getting "just" slightly better gfx if i can race against 30 cars (or more).
But no, if it's 1080p (60 fps), why should they even bother?
People will buy it just because it looks better ... when did GT become all about "looking great" rather than driving better?

I don't want to attack you, but I (too often) read statements of people who will buy anything and attack others for not being happy about anything PD shows us, so it's nothing against you, it's just to give you an idea why some of us are not too happy about (just) HD.


Of course, there is some time left until GT5(?) or GTHD will hit the shelves, but it really remains to be seen if PD will think of the driving experience past graphics and physics...
 
Mustang-man
If you people were really die-hard GT fans like myself then you'd relish the opportunity to purchase any Gran Turismo no matter what it looks like, how it plays etc.

Just like because i'm such a huge GTA fan i will be buying the PS2 version of Liberty City Stories when it is released here, without reading a review/renting it out or even without knowing anything about it. The fact that it is another GTA game has already made me a definate buyer, just like any future GT games will as well.
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Customers like you are why PD knew they could release GT4 in a half-baked, half-finished state, without even putting any screenshots or anything on the box, and still have it sell like hotcakes. I even fell for it myself.

Kazunori could fart into a box and ship it to stores across the country and it would still sell millions of copies.
 
Wolfe2x7
Customers like you are why PD knew they could release GT4 in a half-baked, half-finished state, without even putting any screenshots or anything on the box, and still have it sell like hotcakes. I even fell for it myself.

Kazunori could fart into a box and ship it to stores across the country and it would still sell millions of copies.
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So? I couldn't care less what the game was like to be honest, like you said i'd still buy it.

And if you think GT4 was 'half-baked and half-finished' then i'd really like to see you try to make a game of that size on an ageing console and still get it playing and looking as well as it does. Lots of compromises were made while making GT4 which is why some textures don't look too hot, car sounds can be very hit and miss and the AI still doesn't know how to drive.

If you wanted everything perfect, if it was even possible on PS2, then they would have only included a hundred or so cars, a couple of tracks an a lot less of everything else i'd say.

Polyphony seem to be forever limited by the power or capabilities of the console they are making a GT game for, so they always compromise something else to get some other thing looking/sounding/playing/working better.
Are you going to lay the blame on them for constantly having the most detailed cars, the most amount of cars, incredible looking tracks and replays, sometimes quite accurate car sounds and graphics etc usually far ahead of what other games on the same console look like?

Perhaps think about all these things for a while before you bad mouth them for 'not trying'.
 

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