Gran Turismo World Series discussion

[GOTMAXPOWER]

This race felt like it went really well, qualified 11th and up to 3rd after 2 laps...



...but then this happened right at the end, not my fault and nothing I could do to avoid it but I hate it, for the race to be decided like that after what was pretty much a 10 lap battle feels rubbish

 

[SeleneX]

Anyone else just been hit with a black screen for Nations? Infinite black screen as the timer counted down & was loading me in

 

[tmtk]

GT1 US slot 1, low A lobby, 161 points for the race, door 13

Could you imagine more tragic car/track combo for d-pad? 🤣
Mee too...

And yet, people in low GT1 seem to have even more trouble with this car.

Qualified 9th with a single lap of 19.5 (had to restart from pits again and ran out of time for more laps)
After very cautious first lap I gained one spot and then on the second one I hit a car on the braking ever so slightly, so they didn't even leave the track, but it was enough for 2 seconds penalty. Dropped to 12th.

But then again, drama ahead allowed me to gain positions, so in mid race I was as high as 5th, but then few slight mistakes with wall bashing and half a second for track limits dropped me again to 7th (with about 8 seconds gap behind). And that's how it ended.

120 points and I'm perplexed, I was supposed to be dropping down like a stone and I keep gaining DR...

 

[GTWolverine]

Once again I pissed away a great points finish by completely forgetting every single lap of practice I've done.

Slot 1: Qualified 4th, then briefly moved up to 3rd before outbraking myself at literally every corner, then messing up the final chicane and spinning perpendicular to the track on the inside of the final corner, dropping me to 10th, then screwing up and outbraking myself some more and falling to 12th, before finally remembering how to drive and clawing my way up to 9th as other people spun themselves towards the end of the race. Without mistakes I could've won that race. Instead I lost DR once again.

Slot 2: My DR drop demoted me to a mixed A/A+ split where the win was only worth 249 points, so even with a win I'd have to go again to get the points I wanted. I qualified on pole with a time that still would've been good enough for 2nd on the grid in the previous slot that had a much higher average DR. I messed up the chicane before the hairpin and allowed 2nd to get a run on my, then accidentally forced him off track in the braking zone after not realizing he was already at the very edge of the track. Fortunately he did still keep 2nd after the car that took advantage served a penalty, but then he got punted into the chicane.

Anyway I went on to lead lights-to-flag and won by almost 9s despite having only the 4th-best FL in the race, down by 0.4s on the fastest race lap. I don't even remember the last time I got a win from pole in a championship race. Still, only 249 points for the win isn't anywhere near enough considering what I threw away by being a complete moron in the 1st slot, especially combined with the additional points I threw away in Rd. 1 for being an idiot then as well. Still, I'd probably be an even bigger moron (if that's even possible) if I risked these points in the final slot...

 

[PowerJunkie]

GT1 A+/A
Interesting day for sure.
First slot, Q5, held P5 for half the race, then made a mistake and p6/p7 caught up to me, p6 managed a pass, and then through the final chicane, he made a mistake, he ghosted and I was not able to avoid him, so I went to go through the ghost...nope, went solid, BAM, then BAM, p8 hits me. Now damage on both ends and the rest of the field walks all over me. :/ Finish p13

Second slot, Q4, race starts out okay, no craziness, kept p4, then by the last straight P1-4 had pulled away from the pack, I was in P3's slip, didn't realize the speed I picked up and missed my brake point, and punted P3 at the chicane. ...damn I'm sorry for that! Damage and a 5 second penalty. Last place.

Third slot, Qualify on the Pole! We got a clean start and I was able to get some gap between me and P2 and 3. I guess they were battling. Kept a good pace and pulled off the win! 🏁😎

 

[tankuroded]

Nations standings as of Round 2:

 

[GTWolverine]

GT1 A+/A
Interesting day for sure.
First slot, Q5, held P5 for half the race, then made a mistake and p6/p7 caught up to me, p6 managed a pass, and then through the final chicane, he made a mistake, he ghosted and I was not able to avoid him, so I went to go through the ghost...nope, went solid, BAM, then BAM, p8 hits me. Now damage on both ends and the rest of the field walks all over me. :/ Finish p13

Second slot, Q4, race starts out okay, no craziness, kept p4, then by the last straight P1-4 had pulled away from the pack, I was in P3's slip, didn't realize the speed I picked up and missed my brake point, and punted P3 at the chicane. ...damn I'm sorry for that! Damage and a 5 second penalty. Last place.

Third slot, Qualify on the Pole! We got a clean start and I was able to get some gap between me and P2 and 3. I guess they were battling. Kept a good pace and pulled off the win! 🏁😎

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We were in the same split in Slot 2!

 

[Cliph_Pang]

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I did it. I got incredibly lucky. I'm not going anywhere near that again. This has to be one of the most difficult car/track combos in GTWS history, surely?

I went into this thinking I should be in for a safe shot at qualifying near the front with my global leaderboard time. I got humbled pretty damn quick starting P10. My qualifying was a bit off my personal best but there were some seriously rapid people in there.

Lap 1 was a bloodbath. I had to step well outside my comfort zone at the start of the race and make a pass around the outside of the German starting P9 at turn 1. Considering how I'm very much a "calm down and settle in" kind of racer, that was a nasty wake up call. The T3/T4 chicane killed an Italian and a Hungarian, then a Brit carrying a track limits penalty spun out at turn 6 and I went through a ghosted Austrian who was trying to avoid him. From P10 to P5 in a sector and a bit.

Amazing start for me, except my nerves went into overdrive. This is the first time I've ever raced CGV online and I felt it. I get a bit anxious in VR when I know there's someone right behind me because I'm scared they'll go for a move and I won't see it. The Austrian was right up my rear bumper and I suddenly couldn't drive right, fearful of having to try to go 2-wide on such a tight, technical track.

Seeing things like this out of the corner of my eye on the radar coming out of the hairpin also did not help:

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Having so many people behind me who were clearly quicker than me shook me up, hard. And apparently I'm rather cautious through the chicane at the Wall of Champions since I aim to avoid the sausage kerbs entirely, which I think caused some chaos behind me. Seems like some people try to ride the one on the right?

I had someone right up behind me for a while, but I eventually managed to get away and my nerves eventually calmed somewhat which meant my pace picked up considerably. The rest of the race ended up being relatively lonely with P4 a few seconds ahead and P6 a few seconds back, until I saw some yellow flags at the T8/T9 chicane. A Brit must have crashed, but I wasn't close enough to do anything with it.

P5, 225 points. Get me the hell out of here.

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Very well done! It was surely hard just surviving. I had to settle for P8.

An alien mistakenly was in my lobby, said something about him forgetting to fix his rating. 32 secs ahead of P2 at the end. I think we’re pretty fast at our level but the skill difference to those above us are insane.
He politely apologized afterwards for entering a lobby at our level.

 

[Moose78]

For anybody who might be wondering if rain is a possibility for this next round at Nurburgring, I just drove out 20 laps in Free Practice to find out. There wasn't a hint of rain on the weather radar the entire time. It looks like it will be a completely dry race.

With the two mandatory pit stops, it seems like the main strategy decision will be between changing tires on both stops or just on one. I did a quick 10-lap test run in the Ferrari yesterday before I knew what the time of day and weather would be like -- chose sunset S09 -- and the tires were a little more than half worn at the end of it. So it seems like it should be possible to only change the tires once. I have no idea if it will be faster than changing them twice, though. I need to do some real testing to figure that out.

 

[afc5150]

Might go again.

Well I did go again, but I shouldn't have gone again.

GT2 slot 6 was over for me by turn 2 on lap 1 as I qualified in 7th and was smoked from behind in the turn 1 and 2 complex and into the car ahead, resulting in a 5 second penalty and that was all she wrote.

46 lousy points and a big hit to my SR which is going to really compromise my round 3 effort.

This season is already looking lost for me.

 

[Mumster]

For anybody who might be wondering if rain is a possibility for this next round at Nurburgring, I just drove out 20 laps in Free Practice to find out. There wasn't a hint of rain on the weather radar the entire time. It looks like it will be a completely dry race.

With the two mandatory pit stops, it seems like the main strategy decision will be between changing tires on both stops or just on one. I did a quick 10-lap test run in the Ferrari yesterday before I knew what the time of day and weather would be like -- chose sunset S09 -- and the tires were a little more than half worn at the end of it. So it seems like it should be possible to only change the tires once. I have no idea if it will be faster than changing them twice, though. I need to do some real testing to figure that out.

Can’t wait to see your tests. They have been crucial, thanks for all your hard work.

 

[TBR 427]

For the race at the Nurburgring GP, I'd sort of assumed getting fresh tyres on both stops would be natural (6m/7m/7m) but the tyre change obviously takes time, about 4 seconds.

I'm thinking, maybe, not taking tyres in one of the stops wouldn't be so bad if you then equalize the other stints. So 5+5m/10m for example.

The delta is:
3 laps of 1-3 lap old M vs 7-9 lap old M, and
3 laps of 4-6 lap old M vs 8-10 lap old M.
Probably not toooo horrible, and possibly within the time penalty of taking the fresh rubber and getting them up to temp.

Then going on from that, maybe, depending on how bad traffic is and dirty air and the risk of getting sent, pitting lap 1 for a 1+9m/10m strategy. In theory that's ~6 laps in clean air at the start of the race away from the rabble. Or fresh clean air in the middle-end of the race if you do 10m/1+9m or 10m/9+1m.

EDIT: I hadn't seen Moose's post, seems like they had the same idea.

 

[Yard_Sale]

My “no tires” stop is going to revolve around getting out of traffic - which will largely depend on where I qualify, and what the people in front of me do. Could see that first stop come anywhere from end of lap 1, to the end of lap 6. Honestly, this probably would have been a good round for heavy damage….and longer races for GT1. But that’s another topic altogether.


I am curious tho, on what the GT2/3 guys think of having to run slightly longer races than normal? I remember there being a lot of rounds in Manufacturers that were approaching 45 minutes in actual race length

 

[DespicableBee]

I tried a simulation run earlier in a public lobby set up to the exact parameters of wednesdays round with a mix of A+ to D rated drivers. Its going to be interesting i think.
I had no idea what to do so i pitted at the end of lap 5 and changed tyres and pitted again at the end of lap 13 and again took tyres. I honestly do not think this is the way to go as the time lost taking tyres offsets any advantage of using that new rubber. I am going to try again later and this time i will pit at the end of lap 1 for clean air and then again on lap 10 when i will take tyres. The Porsche is quite hard on the tyres and i found myself really going back on the BB as the tyres got older. It got very tail happy at +5 once i had 4 laps on a set. It could make for a very interesting race

Edit: My lap times didnt really drop off as much as i thought they would, i ran consistant low 1:59/high 1:58 These times are slow compared to the A+ drivers i was up against but probably on a par with the lobbies i will be in.

 

[Moose78]

I got my first round of testing done on four cars for this next round. The lap times are still a fairly noisy. I'm planning another round of testing that should smooth them out a bit. I'll make a follow-up post when that's done.

Here's what I've got so far...

Manufacturer	Model	Tire compound	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	RM	12​	1:58.866​	1:59.065​	2:00.366​	24:04.392​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	RM	12​	1:59.200​	1:59.414​	2:00.309​	24:03.711​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	RM	12​	1:59.415​	1:59.661​	2:00.423​	24:05.075​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	RM	12​	1:59.234​	1:59.639​	2:00.161​	24:01.928​

Spoiler: Raw data

Lap	Ferrari	Lamborghini	McLaren	Porsche
1​	1:58.050​	1:58.727​	1:58.337​	1:57.479​
2​	2:00.008​	2:00.898​	1:59.982​	2:01.135​
3​	2:00.111​	1:59.414​	2:00.570​	1:59.725​
4​	1:59.907​	2:00.096​	2:00.000​	2:00.153​
5​	1:59.705​	2:00.187​	1:59.854​	1:59.639​
6​	1:59.065​	1:59.969​	1:59.661​	1:59.887​
7​	1:59.542​	2:00.251​	2:00.006​	2:00.098​
8​	2:00.000​	2:00.868​	2:01.648​	2:00.450​
9​	2:00.886​	2:00.542​	2:00.556​	2:00.303​
10​	2:01.521​	2:00.526​	2:01.222​	2:00.797​
11​	2:04.622​	2:01.221​	2:01.240​	2:01.409​
12​	2:00.975​	2:01.012​	2:01.999​	2:00.853​

Tire tread levels after 12 laps:

Manufacturer	Model	Tire compound	Laps	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	RM	12​	20%​	25%​	30%​	35%​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	RM	12​	25%​	30%​	25%​	30%​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	RM	12​	25%​	30%​	35%​	40%​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	RM	12​	20%​	25%​	30%​	30%​

Pit stop durations:

Manufacturer	Model	No change	Tire change
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	0:27.100​	0:29.600​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	0:27.400​	0:29.900​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	0:26.700​	0:29.200​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	0:27.500​	0:30.000​

Simulated strategies (fastest three for each manufacturer):

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Total time
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	6RM-7RM-7RM	40:48.822​
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	6RM-6RM-8RM	40:49.280​
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	5RM-7RM-8RM	40:49.757​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	6RM-7RM-7RM	40:53.624​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	6RM-7RM-7RM	40:54.250​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	6RM-6RM-8RM	40:54.602​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	5RM-7RM-8RM	40:54.813​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	6RM-6RM-8RM	40:55.266​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	5RM-7RM-8RM	40:55.611​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	6RM-7RM-7RM	40:58.175​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	6RM-6RM-8RM	40:58.792​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	5RM-7RM-8RM	40:59.074​

It looks like the Ferrari is going to be the car for me.

I did include the one-change strategies in my simulations, but they were way slower than the two-change ones.

I also found it interesting how much the pit time vary between the cars. I think this is the first time I've actually measured that. All of the cars stopped for the same amount of time in the pit (2.3s for no-change, and 4.8s for a tire change, IIRC). The difference was all in the time that the cars were auto-driving to the stop and out of it.

 

[DespicableBee]

@Moose78 i think the porsche will be better in the long haul. The 296 is just too unpredictable
For what its worth, the lambo can cut it too 😃

 

[Talon16]

For anybody who might be wondering if rain is a possibility for this next round at Nurburgring, I just drove out 20 laps in Free Practice to find out. There wasn't a hint of rain on the weather radar the entire time. It looks like it will be a completely dry race.

Does the game support rain at the Nurburgring GP track (excluding Nord of course)? I didn't think so but just going from memory.

 

[Blade_Rudder]

Does the game support rain at the Nurburgring GP track (excluding Nord of course)? I didn't think so but just going from memory.

Yes it does. One of the Power Pack races at Nurburgring GP is wet. You can always know for sure by checking weather options in custom races.
Edit: I’ve double checked my console and the full suite of rain is available, from light to torrential.

 

[Moose78]

Does the game support rain at the Nurburgring GP track (excluding Nord of course)? I didn't think so but just going from memory.

It does. I did a 20-lap stint in Free Practice this morning, though, and there wasn't any sign of rain the whole time, so I'm assuming we won't see any.

 

[Moose78]

@Moose78 i think the porsche will be better in the long haul. The 296 is just too unpredictable
For what its worth, the lambo can cut it too 😃

Yeah. I expect different cars will suit different drivers. The Porsche was dominating the leader boards when I looked earlier today. I'm sure we'll see lots of those on Wednesday. But I'm sure they are all viable in the right hands.

 

[Blade_Rudder]

From the excellent testing by @Moose78 we know there is strategy in a 2 pit dry race, but are there any previous examples of them introducing rain to a race when practice was dry?

 

[Bondwhar]

I am guessing tomorrow is going to be pure survival mode 🤣🤣 personally i think i will just skip QT and start at the back with the intention of picking up spots from mistakes. It just seems like it will be pure chaos in the lobbies i will be in 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

I qualified 5th in a low B SR S group and it was a blood bath. I was punted off at the 1st and ended up 16th. Managed to regain 14th & then was brake tested and picked up a 4 second penalty so race was done. Gutted tbh but it is what it is. 🙄🤡🤠

 

[DespicableBee]

Yeah. I expect different cars will suit different drivers. The Porsche was dominating the leader boards when I looked earlier today. I'm sure we'll see lots of those on Wednesday. But I'm sure they are all viable in the right hands.

I think the lambo could be a dark horse in the right hands

 

[Moose78]

From the excellent testing by @Moose78 we know there is strategy in a 2 pit dry race, but are there any previous examples of them introducing rain to a race when practice was dry?

I seem to remember that happening in a Manu Cup round at Nordschleife in one of the 2023/24 Exhibition seasons, but I don't remember anything more recent than that. PD has been pretty consistent about showing the race weather in Free Practice for a while now.

That's no guarantee that it will stay that way, of course. PD could throw us a curveball on this round. We'll have to wait until Wednesday to find out, I suppose.

 

[TBR 427]

Add to that, the rain pattern in the different slots tends to be different as well. I've had all 3 slots in GT1 be completely different weather; torrential rain, changeable conditions, and dry as a bone. What happens in Practice and Slot 1 may not hold true to the next slots.

 

[DexManning]

I qualified 5th in a low B SR S group and it was a blood bath. I was punted off at the 1st and ended up 16th. Managed to regain 14th & then was brake tested and picked up a 4 second penalty so race was done. Gutted tbh but it is what it is. 🙄🤡🤠

Absolutely incredible that you got punted from behind then brake tested from in front.

 

[BBerlingo]

I my race on saturday P1 seems to have been disqualified somehow. He qualified P1, led the whole race without incident, finished the race, but on the results list he was plaved dead last with a time of -9.xxx to the winner. His DR and SR was listed blank - -
Anyone seen this before? What can cause this? Genuinely cant see what he did wrong.

 

[Zorz]

I my race on saturday P1 seems to have been disqualified somehow. He qualified P1, led the whole race without incident, finished the race, but on the results list he was plaved dead last with a time of -9.xxx to the winner. His DR and SR was listed blank - -
Anyone seen this before? What can cause this? Genuinely cant see what he did wrong.

Best guess - P1 disconnected after crossing the line?

I imagine the game would get a bit weird if someone's got a race time but then isn't in the lobby anymore when the results get compiled.

 

[Moose78]

I finished my second round of testing. I've gotten faster in all the cars, but struggling with consistency in the McLaren.

Here's how things are standing for me:

Manufacturer	Model	Tire compound	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	RM	12​	1:58.866​	1:59.065​	1:59.609​	23:55.305​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	RM	12​	1:58.768​	1:59.087​	1:59.570​	23:54.838​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	RM	12​	1:58.896​	1:59.279​	2:00.080​	24:00.962​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	RM	12​	1:58.685​	1:58.894​	1:59.601​	23:55.210​

Spoiler: Raw data

Lap	Ferrari	Lamborghini	McLaren	Porsche
1​	1:56.926​	1:56.830​	1:57.820​	1:56.954​
2​	1:59.141​	1:59.087​	1:59.383​	1:59.391​
3​	1:59.472​	1:59.239​	1:59.279​	1:58.894​
4​	1:59.223​	1:59.729​	2:00.000​	1:59.153​
5​	1:59.570​	1:59.377​	1:59.854​	1:59.639​
6​	1:59.065​	1:59.945​	1:59.661​	1:59.510​
7​	1:59.542​	1:59.655​	2:00.006​	1:59.971​
8​	2:00.000​	1:59.711​	2:01.648​	1:59.820​
9​	2:00.256​	2:00.030​	2:00.556​	1:59.766​
10​	2:00.150​	2:00.215​	1:59.874​	2:00.571​
11​	2:00.985​	2:00.532​	2:01.240​	2:00.688​
12​	2:00.975​	2:00.488​	2:01.641​	2:00.853​

Tire tread levels after 12 laps:

Manufacturer	Model	Tire compound	Laps	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	RM	12​	20%​	25%​	30%​	35%​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	RM	12​	25%​	30%​	25%​	30%​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	RM	12​	20%​	25%​	30%​	35%​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	RM	12​	20%​	25%​	30%​	30%​

Pit times:

Manufacturer	Model	No change	Tire change
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	0:27.100​	0:29.600​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	0:27.400​	0:29.900​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	0:26.700​	0:29.200​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	0:27.500​	0:30.000​

Simulated strategies (fastest 3 strategies for each car):

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Total time
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	6RM-7RM-7RM	40:38.475​
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	6RM-6RM-8RM	40:38.933​
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	5RM-7RM-8RM	40:39.410​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	6RM-6RM-8RM	40:40.414​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	6RM-7RM-7RM	40:40.565​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	5RM-6RM-9RM	40:40.670​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	5RM-7RM-8RM	40:41.497​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	6RM-7RM-7RM	40:41.731​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	6RM-6RM-8RM	40:41.787​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	6RM-7RM-7RM	40:46.403​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	6RM-6RM-8RM	40:48.045​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	5RM-7RM-8RM	40:48.390​

For comparison, these were the fastest one-change strategies:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Total time
Ferrari	296 GT3 '23	10RM-10RM	40:43.390​
Porsche	911 GT3 R (992) '22	10RM-10RM	40:44.838​
Lamborghini	Huracán GT3 '15	10RM-10RM	40:44.936​
McLaren	650S GT3 '15	10RM-10RM	40:52.062​

I'm still fastest in the Ferrari, so I guess I'll be driving that on Wednesday.

 

[Qronicle]

I my race on saturday P1 seems to have been disqualified somehow. He qualified P1, led the whole race without incident, finished the race, but on the results list he was plaved dead last with a time of -9.xxx to the winner. His DR and SR was listed blank - -
Anyone seen this before? What can cause this? Genuinely cant see what he did wrong.

I was in this race and noticed this as well. (First slot of the day, started in second, you overtook me on lap two because I forgot how to drive.)

Just watched the replay to check for anything obvious, but it all looked pretty normal; no penalties, no crazy laps, no disconnect after the finish (although I'm not sure the car disappears if this happens after crossing the line). Maybe "Turn1 Survivor" (their GT name) is on here and can tell us what happened?