GRIP AND DRIFT where do you draw the line
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Wow, try as I may to sound intelligent this post around, I can't help but for one say wow at the replies here. A few days ago, I thought about saying something to Biased turkey's 1st post about his line between drift and grip, I decicded to wait till vets/pros (Grip, Drift, who's really checking anyway? does it even matter?) like Silviadrifter, Swift, Kensei, CMD, No-Quarter, FC-Drifter, etc...) would say something about it. I wondered if I should even reply or even give my two cents but well...
It's about safe to say that Biased turkey at this point really can-not say anything else insulting, he's been proven wrong more than thrice, I didn't really know till now just how much older (compared to my age anyway, 18...) everyone, or lest the vets/pros are, I suppose wow is all I can say.. again sorry for lacking more intelligence than that...
All else I can say I guess is that as for myself...
I may be a teen but an Arcade styled kid I am far from, at the least that I know of, I don't know everything about cars but I read and look about what I can and I've been doing a few good years of it and plan to do so since I'm hoping to study Mechnical engineering in the direction of cars and I even have the far-fetched dream of becoming a race driver (I say far fetched because my RL driving skills are still not up to a standard just yet...)...
I love playing simulations games but I find a lot of fun in the arcade racer too (maybe this has to do the with fact I'm still a teen and also how I'm still inexperienced with driving but...), be it Ridge Racer, Sega Rally, Daytona USA, even Need For Speed (save Undeground, persornally not much against it but just have close to no intrest into that serries...yet if anything...) and so forth, sims are obviousy harder but there in-lies the challenge as well that I'll end up comming back to perhaps suceed at no matter how many times I may fail at a given stage or something and maybe learn some things too that'll help in the future somehow.
As far as drifting goes, I heard about the concept at an early age and perhaps seen such well before 2000 but not really took that much a distinct intrest into it from other things such as Formula 1, GT, Rally and Touring cars, I suppose Initial D was a reason, but also Ridge Racer since I'm an addict of the entire serries of that besides Gran Turismo (and Need For Speed since I have 1, played, 3, have 4 and 6, played 5 and played a bit of Underground 1 and 2...) and the basis for that was drifting (even though it was exaggerated and at speeds most if not all would deam impossible...and in ways deamed impossible... well it's an arcade racer...and I like it for that...) but the number of drifting videos at GTP, I started on a searous level as far as GT goes last year but only summer this year have I gotten up to a level perhaps as good as Gran Drifto 1...then again maybe I'm crap (but I lack a video capture card to show anyone, and Gabkicks is the only other one at GTP who has seen me drift but he lacks a capture card too
...) but then again that's my self-bashing end talking.
Point is, I saw it as many as something else to learn and perhaps apply to a given driver senario or whatever, you would really have to be close minded for someone like biased turkey to come up with what he thinks about it. I would say more but... well... no...
I think that's about it.. I'm sure I missed something or said something by accident in a way I didn't quite mean but.. oh well I try and say something while covering every point... I'm bound to mess up something...
Till later...
It's about safe to say that Biased turkey at this point really can-not say anything else insulting, he's been proven wrong more than thrice, I didn't really know till now just how much older (compared to my age anyway, 18...) everyone, or lest the vets/pros are, I suppose wow is all I can say.. again sorry for lacking more intelligence than that...
All else I can say I guess is that as for myself...
I may be a teen but an Arcade styled kid I am far from, at the least that I know of, I don't know everything about cars but I read and look about what I can and I've been doing a few good years of it and plan to do so since I'm hoping to study Mechnical engineering in the direction of cars and I even have the far-fetched dream of becoming a race driver (I say far fetched because my RL driving skills are still not up to a standard just yet...)...
I love playing simulations games but I find a lot of fun in the arcade racer too (maybe this has to do the with fact I'm still a teen and also how I'm still inexperienced with driving but...), be it Ridge Racer, Sega Rally, Daytona USA, even Need For Speed (save Undeground, persornally not much against it but just have close to no intrest into that serries...yet if anything...) and so forth, sims are obviousy harder but there in-lies the challenge as well that I'll end up comming back to perhaps suceed at no matter how many times I may fail at a given stage or something and maybe learn some things too that'll help in the future somehow.
As far as drifting goes, I heard about the concept at an early age and perhaps seen such well before 2000 but not really took that much a distinct intrest into it from other things such as Formula 1, GT, Rally and Touring cars, I suppose Initial D was a reason, but also Ridge Racer since I'm an addict of the entire serries of that besides Gran Turismo (and Need For Speed since I have 1, played, 3, have 4 and 6, played 5 and played a bit of Underground 1 and 2...) and the basis for that was drifting (even though it was exaggerated and at speeds most if not all would deam impossible...and in ways deamed impossible... well it's an arcade racer...and I like it for that...) but the number of drifting videos at GTP, I started on a searous level as far as GT goes last year but only summer this year have I gotten up to a level perhaps as good as Gran Drifto 1...then again maybe I'm crap (but I lack a video capture card to show anyone, and Gabkicks is the only other one at GTP who has seen me drift but he lacks a capture card too
...) but then again that's my self-bashing end talking.Point is, I saw it as many as something else to learn and perhaps apply to a given driver senario or whatever, you would really have to be close minded for someone like biased turkey to come up with what he thinks about it. I would say more but... well... no...
I think that's about it.. I'm sure I missed something or said something by accident in a way I didn't quite mean but.. oh well I try and say something while covering every point... I'm bound to mess up something...
Till later...
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- swift-bass
RRiders. I think it's great that you have respect for others on this forum that may know more then you. But at the same time. Don't wait for others to say what you have on your mind. As long as you're polite and respectful, feel free to express whatever your opinion might be.
While some members opinion may carry more "weight" then others, it doesn't make there opinion more important.
While some members opinion may carry more "weight" then others, it doesn't make there opinion more important.
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I wonder if the Biased turkey's can drift? 
Oh well, if you limit yourself to only grip, you will never know how to drive fast, As stated in the drift bible i think or initial D, but it is true, it help you learn how to shift wieght and how to maintain your cars balance. Honestly though, its all up to practice, and i guess the Biased turkey's dont like drifting, personally i didnt think turkeys could drive a car. This forum is very educational
Oh well, if you limit yourself to only grip, you will never know how to drive fast, As stated in the drift bible i think or initial D, but it is true, it help you learn how to shift wieght and how to maintain your cars balance. Honestly though, its all up to practice, and i guess the Biased turkey's dont like drifting, personally i didnt think turkeys could drive a car. This forum is very educational
Yo and wow again, you're both right Swift and Kensei, and thanks, I sometimes just want to be sure I don't say the wrong thing or miss-guide someone despite my limited experience in some areas (mainly drifting with 4WD's, FF's and RR's... a bit of MR depsite throwing a GT40 race car around on sims and 480+bhp...and even did some half-decent drifts with a bone stock NSX type R...)... but I get what ya mean, plus I wonder if I should point out something relevant or not that would add to what is trying to be pointed out in a said thread. And if noting else the server at my school keeps going down so it gets difficult at times to try get a response out in a timely manor. I forgot to mention that too in the last post.
As for more to say, I'm going with Mr. Snowman and also anyone else pointing out that the forum (also this very thread) has proven to quite have the helpful amount of information that is very useful. I do recall seeing a lot of older F1 videos were drivers tended to drift or at the least to a degree well with their cars, because I saw this before I learned a real definition between grip and drift (depsite how as early as maybe 10 playing rage racer as you could configure your tires to have more or less grip towards drift or grip style driving... not understanding so much then I just opted for having as much grip as possible since my skills way back then were horrid...then again I was just begining so...) I never bothered to really think about it much untill now (same for other minute things like engine backfire effects... I think Rally Cross for the PS1 in 1995 was the first game to have that effect... or maybe it was no 2...I'll have to check...) or as of recent.
Plus I forgot to also say that drifting is also fun and (obviousy) requires quite the skill to do a said drift in a given turn the right way or in a way you'd want to if possible, and if noting else, it looks very cool, it did when I first saw the first case of a car going sideways and the tires pointed in the other direction at God knows what age and it still does even today with what I know and just why you need to countersteer given the sitaution, turn and car in mind.
Again, to come up with what Biased Turkey had in mind is really... just making an idoit of one's self. That is a good question on one end that Mr Snowman came up with but I think also we know the answer since he seams so 'biased' about drifting or so he's told us.
That's my take on it anywho, till later...
As for more to say, I'm going with Mr. Snowman and also anyone else pointing out that the forum (also this very thread) has proven to quite have the helpful amount of information that is very useful. I do recall seeing a lot of older F1 videos were drivers tended to drift or at the least to a degree well with their cars, because I saw this before I learned a real definition between grip and drift (depsite how as early as maybe 10 playing rage racer as you could configure your tires to have more or less grip towards drift or grip style driving... not understanding so much then I just opted for having as much grip as possible since my skills way back then were horrid...then again I was just begining so...) I never bothered to really think about it much untill now (same for other minute things like engine backfire effects... I think Rally Cross for the PS1 in 1995 was the first game to have that effect... or maybe it was no 2...I'll have to check...) or as of recent.
Plus I forgot to also say that drifting is also fun and (obviousy) requires quite the skill to do a said drift in a given turn the right way or in a way you'd want to if possible, and if noting else, it looks very cool, it did when I first saw the first case of a car going sideways and the tires pointed in the other direction at God knows what age and it still does even today with what I know and just why you need to countersteer given the sitaution, turn and car in mind.
Again, to come up with what Biased Turkey had in mind is really... just making an idoit of one's self. That is a good question on one end that Mr Snowman came up with but I think also we know the answer since he seams so 'biased' about drifting or so he's told us.
That's my take on it anywho, till later...
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Great post's man, keep up the good work. 👍
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Well...IMHO I think there is no definite line. Grip and drift have some similar things in common like nailing the apex. hope I'm right. I will post more if I think of any.
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- SlipZtrEm
I didn't know how to approach this subject, because while I've been around the community for years, I've been around GTP for only a percentage of it. Actually, looking at my member info, I joined over a year ago, and took a year to have my first post. It probably had something to do with the GTF's constant downs...
Anyways, the other reason I was hesitant is that I generally see "showy" drifting as a fad. Just as how F&F glamorized the street racing/tuner culture, I feel that this is just the next step. A lot of people have seen it as the "next cool thing" and jumped on board in recent times, just as how Vin Diesel and crew got a bunch of mindless kids screaming NAWWWS.
However...
I don't dismiss drifting as useless. Far from it. Like others before me have said, to truly be successful in circuit racing, you must be able to use a bit of drift technique. Scaff noted neutral steer, and that has been absolutely invaluable for me with OLR. Proper grip racing lines are effective for higher speed turns, but for some (the S-turn on the back of GV, for example), this technique proves to be faster. Taking a Viper around that, nothing feels quite as good as letting the tail wag a bit on that second portion of the S, and not even needing to fiddle with the steering once it does it. I can take my hand off the controller and wait for the car to naturally hook back up facing the proper way and continue on. Trail braking, feint motion, and neutral steer are all excellent techniques no grip driver should be without.
And to clarify; I may have a dim view of the showy drifting that's surfaced in North America, but I do obviously applaud those talented drivers who really are doing it to showcase their impeccable control. Being able to balance a car on the edge of the envelope is a talent that deserves recognition. Same goes with seeing two cars drift side-by-side. That takes an amazing amount of control. I occasionally watch some drift videos too; I just have a problem with the bandwagon kids.
Maybe it's the fact that there's a rating system in drifting. I liken that to two things; car shows, and figure skating. That *has* to be my problem
Anyways, the other reason I was hesitant is that I generally see "showy" drifting as a fad. Just as how F&F glamorized the street racing/tuner culture, I feel that this is just the next step. A lot of people have seen it as the "next cool thing" and jumped on board in recent times, just as how Vin Diesel and crew got a bunch of mindless kids screaming NAWWWS.
However...
I don't dismiss drifting as useless. Far from it. Like others before me have said, to truly be successful in circuit racing, you must be able to use a bit of drift technique. Scaff noted neutral steer, and that has been absolutely invaluable for me with OLR. Proper grip racing lines are effective for higher speed turns, but for some (the S-turn on the back of GV, for example), this technique proves to be faster. Taking a Viper around that, nothing feels quite as good as letting the tail wag a bit on that second portion of the S, and not even needing to fiddle with the steering once it does it. I can take my hand off the controller and wait for the car to naturally hook back up facing the proper way and continue on. Trail braking, feint motion, and neutral steer are all excellent techniques no grip driver should be without.
And to clarify; I may have a dim view of the showy drifting that's surfaced in North America, but I do obviously applaud those talented drivers who really are doing it to showcase their impeccable control. Being able to balance a car on the edge of the envelope is a talent that deserves recognition. Same goes with seeing two cars drift side-by-side. That takes an amazing amount of control. I occasionally watch some drift videos too; I just have a problem with the bandwagon kids.
Maybe it's the fact that there's a rating system in drifting. I liken that to two things; car shows, and figure skating. That *has* to be my problem
