Grip Drifting....wth?

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ahah alright on GT3. Im debating against my friend. He says he is Grip drifting. Now i've never heard of the term grip drifting so far all i know. He is either gripping or drifting, or powersliding. He says grip drifting is "yes there is, grip, then drift at corners to get the fastest time" Now that's just something i've never heard of. Anyone clear this up? hahah tell him that he's wronggggggggggggg
 
Grip is faster then drift. Case closed. Theres no such thing as grip drifting, hes an idiot and needs to be shot.
 
What he's basically doing is running hard into the corners, braking the backend loose to get a tighter apex, then getting back on it aiming for a quicker time.

If done' right, yes, it can get a better time.

Simply kicking the tail end for a split second, and tucking in is perhaps the worst description of drifting I've heard of.

My thought is that your buddy likes to hype himself up. He have a big fragile ego as well?

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Maybe he is talking about speed drifting. Most people don't go the fastest possible route around corners and usually tend to make their drifts more showy. By just going as fast as possible you will find that the car will slide less. I suggest you check out that video in the video page that explains the differences between speed drifting and exhibition drift. It is quite interesting.
 
Ok, I'm that posters friend. Also, I didn't even say that drifting is better then Gripping. Of course Gripping is better then drifting. But What I'm saying to my friend is, Drifting plus gripping is faster then gripping alone! Haha,and basically yes. Its speed drifting. But I like to call it grip drifting. Basically just grip through the course and drift through corners that well make u come out of the corner faster. I like doing this in races. Although if I'm leading. I'll just drift all the corners. And I dunno why people are commenting on what I said. What? Hype myself up? How does this little thing about grip drifting, turn into somethin about me, 🤬
 
Um, what I mean by grip drift is using a car that is basically tune for both grip racing and drift racing. Also by using those two skills, which is gripping and drifting, in a race to get the fastest time. So its basically everything combined to get the fastest time. I dont know who the idiot thought this topic was drift versus grip. :rolleyes:
 
I get what you mean but all the fastest times have been set by grip racing, if it was faster to drift any corners don't you think we would see that in real motorsport. You might have a higher speed round some corners bu you will be lacking the acceleration out of the corner, basically, if you drift you might go round the corner at a constant 60Mph for example, but if you grip you might enter the same corner at 40Mph but exit at 80Mph, this is the faster option.
 
To get the faster time you have to know which turns to drift or grip. Perhaps a combination of different grips on certaing turns produce the fastest time?
 
Do you see Nascar or Formula One cars drifting? No? That's because while drifting looks cool, it's slower. And remember, proper drifting will always be very slow, but will get lots of cheers from the crowd;)
 
Actually:

1:Nascar takes place mostely on HUGE ovals with almost no chance to drift(well unless you count crashes, almost all crashes are caused by some loss of traction that looks like drifting.)

2: F1 cars have so much downforce that grip driving is far more effective than drift.

3: Dirt Rally, Sprint car racing............ nuff said. Drifting=faster

4: IMO - on a very tight 180 degree turn, some form of drifting can possibly be used to gain a faster time.
 
1. Personally, I disdain NASCAR. I cannot understand how one could spin out and crash on a track with two corners that are like 500m in diameter.

2. F1 = Amazing

3. As for drifting being faster in rally applications, it isn't, but technically it can be. They keep the car in a state of oversteer because traction is generally poor on all rally stages/circuits, which would mean insane understeer if one were to drive in a manner involving minimal slip. While in a state of oversteer (drifting) in combination with AWD the car can be moved to the inside or outside of the corner at the drivers slightest whim. So you have to do the math. Is it faster to oversteer in a controlled manner or plow to the outside of the turn and most likely off a cliff into trees?

4. I'll have to agree with this one, but it's only in rare circumstances, such as a narrow entry from which you can't get the rear end out far enough to prevent understeer. Thus; you say hello to Mr. E. Brake

I will enforce the fact that drifting never was nor ever will be faster than gripping to the surface.

I've heard some say that Four Wheel Drifting is faster than grip, but very few even know what four wheel drifting is, so it is not their place to say. All it is, is an indication that all four tires are being used equally while cornering, yet they are slipping (which is slower than it would be if they were gripping). The only way someone could be aware that they are actually using all four tires equally, is if they were infinitely perceptive and could judge decibles to the decimal point at and the same time maintaining equal weight on all four tires.

This would just be impractical and rediculously impossible.

In practical terms, the fastest driver is the one who knows his car's limits and can drive it right at it's limits for the duration of the battle. This is easy to achieve in GT3, as they omitted the whole 'balance' aspect of driving, but I'm not going to get into that right now.

As for 'grip drifting'... what the hell? That's a total contradiction.

The easiest way to defeat this kid is to not emulate his lacking knowledge and poor driving skills.

Hopefully he will learn from his errors and correct himself.
 
ExBrock
1. Personally, I disdain NASCAR. I cannot understand how one could spin out and crash on a track with two corners that are like 500m in diameter.
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You try it and report back to us on how it works out for you.
I will enforce the fact that drifting never was nor ever will be faster than gripping to the surface.
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Ruf RGT with T8s and lots of power. Small hairpin at Apricot Hill, after the back straight and before the uphill esses. If you are not snapping the back end around with the throttle, you are throwing away the better part of a second on each lap. I guarantee it.
I've heard some say that Four Wheel Drifting is faster than grip, but very few even know what four wheel drifting is, so it is not their place to say. All it is, is an indication that all four tires are being used equally while cornering, yet they are slipping (which is slower than it would be if they were gripping).
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This paragraph loudly announces that you yourself do not understand what four-wheel drifting is. Look it up - in fact, I've posted numerous descriptions of exactly what it is on this very board - then come back with a little less attitude.
 
I havent read through this whole thing so if its said somewhere then well, sorry. I think he meant, take the skyline R34 for example, when the car tends to slide when given too much power in a turn. Maybe thats what he meant? OR if he slams the ebrake and makes the car smoke up and slide.
 
The e-brake system on the GTRs is wierd. It like puts the car into reverse. The only time I'll ever e-brake while drifting is if I cut too soon. Inertia pulls your car toward the outside of the turn instead of letting your drive wheels push the car into the inside wall. The Skyline is just too heavy to be used in racing vs. semi-tuned cars without heavy modification to the interior and chassis and body work just to be rid of some of that weight. Although the ATESSA electronic torque distribution system does a good job at managing torque for ideal acceleration even at low rpms, when the front tires heat up (a trait of awd and fwd cars alike), they have a tendency to understeer on exit unless tuned properly beforehand.

If I had enough money to buy one and tune it for any sort of use in motorsports, I wouldn't. However, if I had an abundance of money and several other cars, I would, just because they are so smooth and easy to drive. Fortunately not everyone is a billionaire. What I was getting at is how I can appreciate drifting the Skylines in GT3, but for no other qualities. On the other hand, they do look pretty mean with black paint and bronze Ray's TE37 rims.

And yes, Initial D was interesting the first time through, but I'd never watch it again because I've learned that the physics on their world are too absurd. Too many people are watching it and getting the wrong ideas. That is pretty much the whole reason I got banned some two months ago. I suppose I should enforce yet another fact; anime is not real life.

Duke; I fear you are the one giving me attitude.

I am merely stating what knowledge I trust.

As for the RGT, I don't know about how it performs with huge amounts of power because I dislike the rear engine layout (that's what's causing the understeer) and I tune cars accordingly. Like, I'll set goals under circumstance. For example; one week I might say 'get the fastest lap time on Grand Valley 2 with cars tuned to less than 350 horsepower.

During my extended leave, I contemplated participating in OLR series' on other GT sites, but my desire to do that here and become known in this community for my love for driving. If you feel I am incorrect, possibly guide me toward some better literature instead of assuming I am giving attitude by trusting myself.

I have been restricted access to the forums for over two months now and I know you are aware of it. However, upon my return I was given a single strike. I also bear the weight of my previous infractions on the AUP and TOS. One brain fart = IP ban. My attitude is what caused that, and I don't intend on letting it happen again.

Whoa.. too much.
 
ExBrock
If you feel I am incorrect, possibly guide me toward some better literature instead of assuming I am giving attitude by trusting myself.
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Fair enough. I searched for the term "four wheel drift" and restricted it to this board and my posts. Here are a couple that might help.

Drift definitions.

Discussion of "slip angle" and how it relates to four-wheel drift.

And here's another example.

That wasn't hard. In fact, try repeating the experiment but don't limit it to my posts, so you get more takes on it. Or if you want an independent source, PM ///M-Spec and ask him about it.
 
neon_duke
Optimum slip angle is when the deflection of the tire itself causes a slight crabbing motion of the car. This is because cornering forces deflect the tire sidewall, so that each succeeding portion of the contact patch touches down slightly to the outside of the part that is simultaneously being picked up as the tire rotates. Note, however, that this is still "grip" driving, since the tire is at its limit of adhesion, but still adhering to the road surface.

When the tire goes beyond that, it is a slide or a skid.
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This is sort of what I was trying to say. It's not really drifting, so much as an audible indication that the front and rear tires are on the limits of their lateral traction capacity.

Sound = slip (or sliding as you so put it) = resistance.

Although it would be faster to drive at the limits of the tires' traction capacity without any sort of slipping, doing so would be impossible without any indication that you are nearing those limits. So then you have to consider; is it faster to not slip at all, or to slip a little and know that you are at the threshold with the slight slipping noise?

What you were going on about is slip angle. The angle of the car in relation to the direction of travel, and the slight crabbing motion that the rear tires experience while cornering.

I'll actually be truthful and say that I can't appreciate it when people try to correct me, so if I am wrong, eventually I will realize my mistake and determine the correct answer for myself.

The topic at hand here is grip drifting, which is totally nonsensical.

And now I laugh at the mere combination of words.
 
Umm........ I remember reading somewhere that a tire's traction is greatest when it is sliping ever so slightly, don't remember everything about it though, some FAQ on gameFAQs I think. all I know is I'm not gonna try and go faster by drifting, there have been several times where kicking out the rear to avoid understeering into a wall would have been helpful, but the understeer wouldn't happen if I was going the correct speed for the corner.
 
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