GT Academy - Lets get them to disable the handbrake!!!!

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Ive also been on a track 5 (FIVE!) times. I wont tell you what kind of track cause it doesnt matter. However, have a gander as I try to explain this:

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Line A, you brake, turn and carry a constant speed through the turn. Good for turns large enough that a slower speed will have a larger impact on lap time.

Line B, you brake and make a sharper turn. This allows you to get back to full throttle quicker, giving you a better run at the straight. This is good for small tight turns where you can sacrifice a few mph in order to rotate the car. Now what if I told you you could rotate your car faster and still keep up the speed? Learn to use the handbrake. Just because you dont know how yet doenst mean people who do are cheating. I use an auto for GT5. Im not that good with a manual. That doesnt mean I should run around saying people using a manual are cheating.

And dont say "Manual is faster in real life!" Most times it is. Sometimes, in certain cars, it isnt. Tough cookies.
 
nickmp0wer
LOL. An autocross is not what i would call a track day. If you are faster in real life using the ebrake then I suggest you work on your driving techniques. It may work on the tightest hairpins autox hairpins but not corners like in the gt academy.

this is what I drive on the track
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So are you apart of BMW CCA? Autocrossing for 8 hours a day during their events would be considered a track day I would like. Who said I was faster in real life with a e-brake haha?
 
Tommy_861
You are correct I apologize for the comment about BMW owners, it was out of line. The posters condescending attitude towards anyones opinion other than his own got the best of me.
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I also apologize for calling you an idiot. People have a thing against BMW owners so it annoys me when people say something about it.
 
All I have to say is I'm going to be doing some e-braking tonight.... yeeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh!

But yeah the thing about no lift off oversteer is true. Definitely have to use the e-brake to compensate for the lack of physics on this.
 
nickmp0wer
ok, is it a brembo caliper, or a brembo racing caliper? is it built into the caliper or seperate? Do you use the handbrake on the race track?
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Its honestly a road car (and yes they are road calipers, however they have been used on race spec cars since the rears don't take the abuse the fronts do) and I also don't race it, my race car is currently a front driver and I don't use the hand brake, I can get all the rotation I feel comfortable handling without using the hand brake.

Take a look at Brembo's website under racing, there is a racing specific separate hand brake caliper, as well there are rear application calipers for touring and GT cars that can be used with a hand brake connection. Like I said, take a look at the Porsche GT3 Cup car, its a factory GT race car with a hand brake built in.
 
Not sure why anyone is bringing up the argument that race cars don't have hand brakes.

Last I checked the 370z was a road car and it has one.....
 
Thing that sucks is that I have the G25 and I cannot configure the buttons on GT5 to make it a handbrake...I have to use the Triangle Button on shift stick....

My best time is 1.07.177 Tsakuba...I drive manual. Traction Control on 6 and ABS 9. Any advice on how to get a better time.
 
I posted a 2:52 laptime after about 20 minutes of driving, and decided 'Hey, I'll check out the top time and see where he's picking up time on me!' ...Little did I know...

Looking at the top time in my region for Cape Ring (driver: FixByWire) he is using the e-brake in almost every turn with two wheels in the grass on most apexes. However, the best part of the lap comes at the left-hander immediately before the 2nd blue/red hairpin, where he drives over the grass completely onto the unused portion of pavement exiting the turn.

Its funny how the ultimate prize in this contest is to run a 24 hour endurance race, and the #1 driver right now achieved his position by running a lap in which his rear tires and front air dam would both be trash after 5 minutes.
 
This surely gives similar results to increasing rear brake bias. The reason you do that is to induce oversteer when braking or at least reduce understeer.
It happens because the rear tyres slip as the braking force overcomes their grip. Helping the car rotate. Many have already pointed this out and Im sure most of you know it already.

I haven't seen the video but I'd be suprised if the top guy does a "handbrake turn" as some have branded it. Merely a touch of slip at the rear can be enough to point you in the right direction, so to speak.

I've never tried it in real life myself but the physics add up.

Its difficult to get right in game as its easy to get too much slip and end up drifting so respect to those who are doing it right.

obreeezzzzy
I posted a 2:52 laptime after about 20 minutes of driving, and decided 'Hey, I'll check out the top time and see where he's picking up time on me!' ...Little did I know...

Looking at the top time in my region for Cape Ring (driver: FixByWire) he is using the e-brake in almost every turn with two wheels in the grass on most apexes. However, the best part of the lap comes at the left-hander immediately before the 2nd blue/red hairpin, where he drives over the grass completely onto the unused portion of pavement exiting the turn.

Its funny how the ultimate prize in this contest is to run a 24 hour endurance race, and the #1 driver right now achieved his position by running a lap in which his rear tires and front air dam would both be trash after 5 minutes.
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A lesson I learned during the 2nd Academy; If you cant beat 'em, join 'em. Dont expect these laps to be DQ'd. The winner is the person who gets the fastest lap deemed clean by the game. 2 wheels(barely) on a hard surface is clean, and some corner exits are open territory. Chances are, marginal laps or not, the best players will win.
 
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obreeezzzzy
Oh, no doubt, I'm now setting out to clone his lap basically, as lame as it sounds.
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Its not lame. You have to learn it from somewhere. The top guy learned what he knows from others.

I learned lots from chasing GTDrivers_Moose's ghost in the 2nd academy and finished 51st in the UK. Much higher than I ever had in GT5Ps TTs up until that point. I got so much faster when I realised everyone near the top was cuttting the last corner as much as the game would allow.
 
A little off-topic, but I'm surprised to hear people complain about the lack of engine braking. It's slight, but it's there -- unlike in GT5:P where your car would come to a virtual halt if you let off the throttle for even a second. Drove me nuts. GT5 is much improved IMO.

DISCLAIMER: I have 0 (zero!) track days, zero autocrosses AND I drive a BMW, so apparently I REALLY don't know anything!
 
iinsom00
You're telling me that you use the handbrake on trackdays?
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Nope, but it was something I learned from my instructor during my first track day though. Have I used it in real life or in GT5, nope. Only heel and toe.
 
If you can drive faster laps with some help from the handbrake, and you know it, why not use it?

GT5 is a game and will never be 100% realistic so instead of complaining, use the tools that you are given.
 
The hand brake is actually used by many professional racing drivers, the fact that you think its a cheat further implies that you really dont know what you are talking about. The hand brake is used to temporarily increase rear brake balance for very short periods of time, especially when a racing driver is pushing excessively and encounters understeer...
 
You would think that, with all these 'my track day is bigger than yours' alpha dogs floating around (apparently, to get a Premium membership here, you just have to be as big a 🤬 as a current member), you'd think that at least ONE of these so-called 'experts' would comment on whether they themselves would ever drive a similar course using the e-brake and whether their mighty racing prowess would expect it to actually be faster under the same circumstances.

What the OP is getting at is NOT that you can do these kinds of things, but doing them makes you FASTER than doing them IRL would be. It's a physics and gameplay exploit. Pure and simple. Like track cutting without destroying your suspension. I guess it all boils down to whether PD want to change their banner...

'The Real (Arcade) Driving Simulator'

Or whether they take themselves (and us) seriously.

It's not about whether handbrakes are EVER used in racing. It's about, UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, would they really be used, and would using them make you faster than not. I seriously doubt it. But, I've never been to a track day (been to enough ALMS racing, though). Guess I'm an idiot, too. Even without a BMW.:rolleyes:
 
I tried using the e-brake at Cape Ring, and it just ended up slowing me down, so I guess I just have to tip my cap to those who can do it and gain time.

However I did start unrealistically cutting the corners and picked up a second on my lap time, 'go me!' I guess.
 
Destinkeys
whether their mighty racing prowess would expect it to actually be faster under the same circumstances.
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Destinkeys
It's not about whether handbrakes are EVER used in racing. It's about, UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, would they really be used, and would using them make you faster than not.
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No, because in real life the initial problem that makes using the handbrake attractive doesn't exist. In GT5, the problem is there, so using the handbrake is seen as a viable option to counter it.

Destinkeys
'The Real (Arcade) Driving Simulator'

Or whether they take themselves (and us) seriously.
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Doing a sloppy and extremely obvious rule patch in the middle of a competition to cover up a physics exploit that is basically directly caused by a different physics problem doesn't do much to protect GT5's sim credentials.
 
No. Fixing the actual problem is.
People are using the handbrake basically because GT5's physics engine doesn't model lift-off oversteer properly, so cars need a little extra push to coax the tail around a little to do real-life driving techniques. So why would the correct fix be to disable the handbrake? "People don't use them in real races" isn't an actual reason, because people in real life don't need to.
 
the handbrake is never faster with a road car around a tarmac circuit, it's only uses in racing are to either pull the back end out (in drifting) and to spin a car rapidly around hairpin corners greater than 270 degrees (in closed road rally), where it's only quicker because modern rally cars are AWD and can accelerate quickly enough to go from stalled to 60 very quickly.

it is completely unrealistic for a 370Z to be faster around an FIA-certified racing circuit by using the handbrake.
 
The thing is the game is never going to be realistic enough for you to be able to use 100% real-life driving techniques to be the fastest.

Deal with it.
 

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