GT Player Handicap Experiment. Test Participants Required.

[W3H5]

I'd like to participate. I did the WRS qualifier that put me in D3 gold and then did one WRS combination (yeah just one).
I don't know who would vouch for me especially because I don't do very well online usually (though I totally blame that on my lack of tuning skill).

Tuning is out of the question for this experiment so if you would like to be considered "in" then we'd be happy to have you as a potential driver. 👍

 

[Techy]

You guys all rock, and thanks for the support. I'll get back tp you all on these posts in roughly 10 hours when I'm at work and a bit more sober. 👍

Thanks for the support. This could be epic*!

(*If someone gets involved to help with the mathamatics and such!)

I'm fond of * today.

No prob, Shemmy-me-boy

I don't mind doing a bit of math.

 

[tomhart9]

I'd be able to spare a few hours a week if I'm needed!
Would be great to contribute to something as useful as this!

 

[Apok]

Tuning is out of the question for this experiment so if you would like to be considered "in" then we'd be happy to have you as a potential driver. 👍

I would like to be considered "in". 👍

 

[phil_75]

Is the driving line allowed? I'm not so sure if it's also considered as a driving aid to you, shem.

Skilled drivers shouldn't need Driving Line!

You should know most tracks like the back of your hand!

 

[McClarenDesign]

Love the concept. PM me if you'd like my help.

 

[W3H5]

I'd be able to spare a few hours a week if I'm needed!
Would be great to contribute to something as useful as this!

👍

I would like to be considered "in". 👍

👍

Skilled drivers shouldn't need Driving Line!

You should know most tracks like the back of your hand!

Ah, this is a point for debate. I genuinely feel that a 'good' driver shouldn't need the driving line and tracks should be memorised in his mind. On the other hand, it doesn't offer any advantage to the user as I know for me, I'm a lot faster without it and it's one of the first things to come off when I buy a GT game.

Love the concept. PM me if you'd like my help.

Thanks for the support. all of you. 👍

 

[TheBook]

While I might not be the fastest driver, I'm usually quick enough (and consistent enough) to place well both online and offline. Anyone who's driven with me regularly (Mike Rotch, dhandes, analog, and Sharky, for starters) can vouch for that. Sign me up.

 

[uMadson?]

Skilled drivers shouldn't need Driving Line!

You should know most tracks like the back of your hand!

Well that's the issue with the driving line. The experiment is designed to find a way to separate the boys from the men.

 

[Ronald6]

Count me in.

I'm often in the top 100 in the TT's.

 

[coan07]

Shem Check your PM

 

[Mike Rotch]

While I might not be the fastest driver, I'm usually quick enough (and consistent enough) to place well both online and offline. Anyone who's driven with me regularly (Mike Rotch, dhandes, analog, and Sharky, for starters) can vouch for that. Sign me up.

👍

 

[W3H5]

Since I've had a very good response to asking for participants for this experiment I don't think it'll be too long before I can start to issue test procedures to the chosen driver.

I expect it'll be after the years out so as everyone has time to recover from the celebrations. Then we can push forward to get the lap times in.

Here's a basic time scale of how things can work.

Week 1
Chosen driver shall be PM'd with the information to follow for to attain their track data.
During this period a scientist / mathematician will be found on the site who can formulate charts and discover the optimum ballast application ratio based on handicap.

Week 4
Drivers will have had a month to gather their best sets of lap times and should submit them for possessing. At this time the maths will be done to find said ratio handicap.

Week 5/6
Stage II of testing will begin giving an allocated ballast to each driver to rerun their test laps and again report back with the data.

Usually things don't go as planned so this time table will be subject to change as things are moved around and further testing is carried out.

 

[rumblina]

Sounds grand.

I know I will need a couple of days to recover from my local NYE celebrations (tonight, currently 5pm local 31/12), so will be good to go any time from 2 days from now 👍

 

[W3H5]

I'll give everybody a few days from the beginning of the year to get their heads back in the game as I know I'll be worse for wear for a few days myself.

I'm considering allowing more than 10 people to participate in the tests but still only use the top 10 driver times to set the benchmark with. That way, with more data, better results can be achieved.

 

[rumblina]

As long as you stick to using numbers rather than driver names, I would hate to see my name up in lights if I actually suck

 

[BWX]

But hot lapping isn't the same as racing opponents.

 

[W3H5]

As long as you stick to using numbers rather than driver names, I would hate to see my name up in lights if I actually suck

I'll be using numbers for that reason and a few others. Even if you submit data to me you'll not know what number test participant you'll be. Only I and helpers will know.

But hot lapping isn't the same as racing opponents.

This is phase 1 of the experiment. Once the first stages of testing are done and data is calculated there can be further experimenting using racing. This is the start point though.

 

[crowhop]

Frankly, I'm probably not good enough nor have the time to devote to something that could be quite large, but I will be keeping up with this.
I plan on testing myself at the given parameters just to see if my times are "quick" or not.

 

[phil_75]

Also in our 3rd season Championship we introduced success ballast of 70, 50 and 30kg for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place drivers with it being halved if finish outside podium on next race then removed if outside again, which evened the championship out.

 

[C-ZETA]

I know how to drive clean, people who tried running with me such as C-ZETA and Onboy123 would vouch for me.

Hahahaha. Like you always stay clean Lol jk.

It's probably too late for me to join, and if I tried I probably wouldn't make it to my PS3 in time (I'm out ATM for an unknown time at this point). However, is it possible I could provide a real life example as a demo? Unless you can effectively do that yourself shem...no, W3HS. Gonna have to get used to that.

 

[W3H5]

Frankly, I'm probably not good enough nor have the time to devote to something that could be quite large, but I will be keeping up with this.
I plan on testing myself at the given parameters just to see if my times are "quick" or not.

Cool beans.

Also in our 3rd season Championship we introduced success ballast of 70, 50 and 30kg for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place drivers with it being halved if finish outside podium on next race then removed if outside again, which evened the championship out.

Part of my experiment is to see if a ballast like you're mentioning can be worked out for races who are not part of a championship and therefore have no knowledge of their opponents skill level.

My Trial Run​

In Arcade Mode I took the Mclaren MP4-12C for 5 laps around the Nordschleife Nürburgring with all aids off and track grip set to 'real'. ABS was set to 1 and tyres were chosen as SH although the test drivers will be using SM.

I had never driven this car before so was experiencing it for the first time and was rather blown away by it's speed and abilities. I drove 5 laps and then exited to get my lap times. My laps were all valid, no red times, although I'm not the fastest driver out there and my laps were a bit cautious so they aren't to be taken as 'good' times.

Here are the times I recorded from my five consecutive laps, no more, no less.

1 - 7. 45. 999
2 - 7. 42. 243
3 - 7. 42. 412
4 - 7. 43. 119
5 - 7. 42. 727

I rounded up or down these times^ to the nearest second and got these times.

1 - 7. 46.
2 - 7. 42.
3 - 7. 42.
4 - 7. 43.
5 - 7. 43. ​

I then added these times together and got 37. 16. I then divided this number by the number of laps in this particular test, five. The product of this calculation was 7. 432. Rounding this up to the nearest .5 I made 7.5.

Once I have completed the other test combos I will do the same procedure to calculate an average and then using that data I can workout how a system can be implemented to include a ballast.

I will note at this point that the test runs can be done as many times as a driver wants but must only be done in sessions of the number of allowed laps per combo. e.g run 5 MP4-12C/ Nurburgring laps, collect times, see times aren't so good, run another 5 laps.

By the way, we're still looking for drivers so if you'd like to join the experiment drop a post in here!

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

I then added these times together and got 37. 16. I then divided this number by the number of laps in this particular test, five. The product of this calculation was 7. 432. Rounding this up to the nearest .5 I made 7.5.

Double check my math, but I think the sum would be 38:36 so the average would be 7:43.

 

[W3H5]

Double check my math, but I think the sum would be 38:36 so the average would be 7:43.

I'll try it again. I'm not too up on my maths but I did run the same calculations 3 times on a calculator to get the number. If I've made a mistake I apologise and will fix is soon.

Thanks for the tip.

EDIT: I'm getting the same numbers as I did originally.

 

[McClarenDesign]

I'll try it again. I'm not too up on my maths but I did run the same calculations 3 times on a calculator to get the number. If I've made a mistake I apologise and will fix is soon.

Thanks for the tip.

Regardless of participation, I'd love to glance over the data and compare it with what I've got.

 

[W3H5]

Regardless of participation, I'd love to glance over the data and compare it with what I've got.

Definitely. Every run I make will be posted here, more as an example than as one of the useful bits of data. Feel free to use it.

The first run was done yesterday. If I get time I'll be having a run with the Golf at Monaco today and posting the results later.

 

[Mr.Slow]

Regardless of participation, I'd love to glance over the data and compare it with what I've got.

Me too. Just checked the first run and came to the realization I can't drive to save my life without traction control. Only my last lap was on par with his..

 

[phil_75]

Just did a quick test lap, 7.39.9xx, could take maybe 10 secs off that I think. Arcade, Grip Real, SH Tyres

Its a handful!!!

 

[W3H5]

Yeah. It's not the easiest beast to get around but that's why the test will give good data from the faster drivers.

I ran it on SH but the actual test will use SM so there may be some more time to shave off there.

 

[McClarenDesign]

I wish there was a way to have the telemetry emailed to you after your test session. The extra data would help with comparison tests like this, and might even help a few drivers here extract the most from their drives.

Cmon PD, let us keep and use our data from Practice sessions!

Also, do you plan on creating a spreadsheet to compile the data together? I've got a sheet for my tests and it makes calculations so much easier and more accurate.