GT3 vs GT5 AI

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Well l am doing an enduro on tokyo route 246 on gt3, and to be honest... I'd rather have gt3's ai format. Atleast they were actually challenging. And they arent AS BAD as most people say. 2 or 3 cars have actually shared the draft along the straight, and 2 that l was racing with gave me the inside line without hesitation, just enough to follow me through the turn then to pass me along the straight in the draft. (another thing l prefer in gt3)
Im not too sure about gt4 though. If anybody is willing, can you fire it up on the old ps2 and give er a go? My disc broke years back... But anyways
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GT5 has AI?

If by AI you mean artificial idiots then yes, I guess it does.
 
Ok. Now I'm gonna se how much they nerfed the cars in gt5 compared to gt3, when I saw the cpu controlled r390 race car (correct if I'm wrong) but that junk looked fast as a f1 leaving me to run on red tires in that professional race
 
GT3 had rubberbanding in some races. GT5's is therefore automatically better because it comes fairly close to replicating your speed without cheating, which it did not in GT2/GT3/GTPSP.
 
Toronado
GT3 had rubberbanding in some races. GT5's is therefore automatically better because it comes fairly close to replicating your speed without cheating, which it did not in GT2/GT3/GTPSP.
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Provided that you did not over tune your car, of course.

I think that's where most AI complaints stem from.
 
I dont recall ever having a problem against ai in older gts
but then again I always overtuned my car back then

GT5P was more challenging because you couldnt tune cars and penalties
gt5psp Had catch up and I hate driving against the same car as mines
Overall I like GT5 "AI" more because it gives you the freedom to make it challenging if you want.
I hope they add a optional penalty system to aspec soon
 
Toronado
GT3 had rubberbanding in some races. GT5's is therefore automatically better because it comes fairly close to replicating your speed without cheating, which it did not in GT2/GT3/GTPSP.
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Well gt3 actually had races where you had to keep your car within tuning regulations. Some races actually had tyre regulations, drivetrain regulations, and license. In some, you had to be in a normal car without tuning what so ever. You couldnt even buy a suspension without being disallowed by the regulations. And another thing, if you look into one of the threads i posted in the past, i actually had to detune a completely stock lexus petronas down to 453 hp and add the weight to 1230 kg just to race it in arcade against fellow super gt vehicles. But in gt3 i can buy a brand new penzzoil gtr and go into arcade and not detune a thing, and get the ai to match it up against other jgtc vehicles. Since the ai system matches your car to the fairest vehicles within the game. In gt5, its just not the same. Try it yourself in gt5, buy a super gt vehicle(keep it stock with default aerodynamics), it matches you up against LM vehicles. Which is just bogus...
 
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Another thing, im doing an enduance race on tokyo route 246 on gt3. The ai is matched up into 2 catagories, a reybrig nsx and a castrol nsx is equipped with a turbo kit l assume, and they both pit every 7-8 laps, and the other 3 vehicles are stock but they have longer lasting tyres so they pit every 18-21 laps. I am now on lap 73 out of 100 and the difference between 1st and 4th position is about 14 seconds. Thats far beyond anything gt5 can accomplish.
 
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bullet360
Another thing, im doing an enduance race on tokyo route 246 on gt3. The ai is matched up into 2 catagories, a reybrig nsx and a castrol nsx is equipped with a turbo kit l assume, and they both pit every 7-8 laps, and the other 3 vehicles are stock but they have longer lasting tyres so they pit every 18-21 laps. I am now on lap 73 out of 100 and the difference between 1st and 4th position is about 14 seconds. Thats far beyond anything gt5 can accomplish.
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14 seconds??? :scared:

Well... that's not big deal... since I've always thought that the AI in GT3 is the best of the entire series... 👍
 
GT5 AI isn't as bad as every one claims. I had some really tough races yesterday in career mode. There's no point outclassing the AI and saying "But I was using a less powerful car".

Were all aides off? Including ABS? Was you racing as a ghost or did you add your own weight to the car? Were you using the stock tyres the car came with?

I don't remember the GT3 AI too well but I'm sure the GT5 AI must be better or at least equal.
 
Ah... the infamous "catch-up" boost. Which GT5 doesn't have.

GT5's AI is very organic compared to previous GTs, and they actually react to other cars on the track unless you're closing in on them with the speed differential of a cannonball fired at an oncoming freight train, in which case, they don't (like most real life drivers).

The one problem is the "mood" setting, which causes the AI to "give up" and go cold if there's nobody around them.
 
I've found the exact opposite thing since a few patches ago actually, when the AI are racing by themselves, they're almost competitively fast (albeit in LMPS vs a Gillet Vertigo - Stock tyres, and all 900bhp XD) but the moment you get close to them, they drive 'defensively'. Which is to say they drop their lines through corners for the sake of getting in your way (giving the impression you might have a challenge) holding a not appalling mid corner speed (which I tend to find fits with my racecraft of tucking in behind them attempting to get a better exit for the next corner) at which point they undergo a crisis of conscience (possibly for not having pulled off the track to allow you pass) and incredulously just coast out of corners, leaving you to drive straight into the back of them (somehow I still do it every time) as you try to press your speed advantage into the next braking zone. The thing that really gets me about this behaviour, is the moment you've passed them, they resume their original pace, which just makes me wonder why the hell they have the phase in the middle.
 
niky
GT5's AI is very organic compared to previous GTs, and they actually react to other cars on the track unless you're closing in on them with the speed differential of a cannonball fired at an oncoming freight train
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Believe it or not but gt3's ai actually "considers" you in the race as well, l was watching the replay of my enduro, and l was going 2 wide through the dipping "s" section along route 246, and the ai actually hit the brakes and veered into a more "narrow" line than usual just to keep the 2 wide position along with me through the turn. And another case is they not also move aside so you and it (the ai) can equally share the draft, but they can sometimes just jump right out of the draft just so you can grab it and pass them fairly. But sure they can divebomb and steal the inside line from you, or they wont notice you if you're parked along a straight, and NO they are not as intelligent as gt5's ai when it comes to avoiding a collision, but more times than enough, they moved only when it was a moment of significance. And thats all you can really ask for considering its technology from 10 years ago...

MoLiEG
14 seconds??? :scared:

Well... that's not big deal... since I've always thought that the AI in GT3 is the best of the entire series... 👍
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Uhh sarcasm? I apologise, but i've always had a problem detecting sarcasm when it is, and when it is not over the internet. But if so, i think 14 seconds on a track that takes 1:37.2xx to do a lap, with 73 out of 100 laps is pretty impressive for a game thats 10 years old...

Toronado
Because the AI in GT3 cheated. Not because the AI in GT3 was actually better, which only a casual glance in some races could tell you that it wasn't.
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Mmm please tell me how the bigger majority of the ai in the race cheated? The only "advantage" the slower "stock" cars had was longer lasting tyres. To me thats fair. And atleast the ai in gt3 is willing to be competitive, they dont "give up the line" after traveling side by side on a straight. They dont brake early and go slower than needed through turns, and they dont all take the same line through a turn. Sure gt3's is overly agressive, but atleast they consider you when it counts when going through a turn... Dont get me wrong gt5's ai is a hell of a lot smarter than gt3's, but it seems PD putting more effort into the awareness of ai than competitive racing itself... I have had nice and challenging races in gt5, but thats ONLY because l detuned my vehicle with lower grade tyres... Gt3 l can hop in a race and have all 6 vehicles on track finish a race with a difference of about 3 seconds max. Unlike gt5, race in the castrol supra z or impul calsonic gt-r in arcade, and just outbrake them and out corner them within the first 5 turns of the race.
 
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If you have an internet connection, then do what most GTP members do.

Play online.

AI is never gonna give you the challenge that a human can.
 
sumbrownkid
If you have an internet connection, then do what most GTP members do.

Play online.

AI is never gonna give you the challenge that a human can.
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Idunno there are some pretty bad drivers out there... So to say "never" is quite unrealistic of a catagory to degrade the ai
 

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