I'm not specifically refering to any car (as I do not have the data to hand), but as a general rule, mid-engined cars do have less weight transfer to the front wheels under braking, combined with a (again general) lower COG then for braking purposes mid-engined cars are not ideal. The very low central COG for mid-engined cars benefits cornering and acceleration more than braking. Its one of the reasons why mid-engined cars are generally faster on the limit, but harder to control. One thing I would add is that while a Range Rover will stop (to zero) quicker than an Elise, on the track the Elise would be able to carry more speed into a corner than the Range Rover, and as such would not need to brake as much as the Range Rover. This is one of the central points of my original thread, while weight will not affect your overall stopping distance, it will change the handling characteristics of the car, if you can carry more speed into a corner then you need to brake less. For example if our Range Rover and Elise both approach a corner at 100mph, and the elise can take the corner at 60mph and the Range Rover take it at 45mph. Then the Elise will be able to brake later and less than the Range Rover, despite the fact that the Range Rover can brake to zero in less time than the Elise. You must remember the reason I started this thread was to dismiss the myth that certain cars had been incorrectly modeled by PD, when people were just underetsimating the correct braking for the car and tyre. When reducing weight did not work, they dismiss the car as one PD 'messed' up, when in fact this would not help them. In fact if you take a look at the text in GT4 for weight reduction, you will find that it says that reducing weight will benefit braking characteristics, not reduce braking distance. Hope this helps to clarify my standpoint on this.