GT4 not that realistic.....

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I´ve been racing my bike (Honda VFR400R and Yamaha YZF R1) lots and lots on the Nurburgring this summer and I can tell you....the times they manage with GT4 are totally unrealistic.
http://www.mindhome.de/gt4/bmw.html
6min 57 with a M3CSL? No way! For real 8.02 is the best a german test driver could get it at!
I hate to say this, but GT4 fails to simulate driving.....but it´s still hell fun.
And 99% of the ppl playing it, will never race a car or bike for real, so no probs for those, but for the one percent that does....... :crazy:
 
Daddybird
I hate to say this, but GT4 fails to simulate driving.....but it´s still hell fun.
And 99% of the ppl playing it, will never race a car or bike for real, so no probs for those
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Im one of those 99% people, and I absolutely agree. Just as long as you don't know about the car on the track, "it's still hell fun".
I mean seriously, how will I ever know if a Toyota GT-1 is realistic in GT4 if I never have/will drive one before?
 
The Gran Turismo developement team seems to be more concerned with the look of the game, lately, than the play value or realistic feel.

A recap:

AI: practically zero improvement
Network: regression from i.Link to crappy ethernet protocal
Handling / Physics: mixed reports
Car models: improved from the already great GT3 look
Track detail: improved from the already great GT3 look
Crowd: improved ... (:


I've been playing TOCA Race Driver 2 on PS2. It's fun (:
 
Daddybird
I´ve been racing my bike (Honda VFR400R and Yamaha YZF R1) lots and lots on the Nurburgring this summer and I can tell you....the times they manage with GT4 are totally unrealistic.
http://www.mindhome.de/gt4/bmw.html
6min 57 with a M3CSL? No way! For real 8.02 is the best a german test driver could get it at!
I hate to say this, but GT4 fails to simulate driving.....but it´s still hell fun.
And 99% of the ppl playing it, will never race a car or bike for real, so no probs for those, but for the one percent that does....... :crazy:
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I partly agree. Stock cars (no mods) in GT4 with Sports tires are running pretty close times to their real life versions. Unfortunately in GT4 (the GT series in general) one can load all sorts of silly turbos onto the car and run super soft sticky tires (that would last a few corners at the real Nordscleife) with traction control set to very unrealistic levels.

Plus there is no fear in a simulator. If you go into a corner too fast and go into the wall at 250kph you pay no price. In real life you have fear to control somethings and it takes years to build the skill and trust required to become a top race driver. In a video game it takes only a few laps, if that.

Given all that...you get those insane unrealistic times. You'll always have those people into that...but there are many of us who are trying to keep it realistic and as close to real lap times as possible.



LoudMusic
The Gran Turismo developement team seems to be more concerned with the look of the game, lately, than the play value or realistic feel.

A recap:

AI: practically zero improvement
Network: regression from i.Link to crappy ethernet protocal
Handling / Physics: mixed reports
Car models: improved from the already great GT3 look
Track detail: improved from the already great GT3 look
Crowd: improved ... (:


I've been playing TOCA Race Driver 2 on PS2. It's fun (:
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Have you actually played GT4 yet?

AI: is better, still sucks, but is better
Network: Don't care, no clue...but I understand some people care
Handling/Physics: Amazingly improved, lightyears ahead of GT3
Car Models: Improved from GT3, more focus on details in GT4
Track Detail: Improved, quite a bit
Crowd: Improved...but still flat.

Point is is that GT4 has pushed the PS2 to it's limits. I've noticed it a few times in my 100+ hours of playing GT4. There isn't much more PD can do on the PS2.

Gt4 is hands down amazing. PD can't satisfy everyone with everyone of their whims but they have produced the best GT yet. It might not be perfect but it is a huge step above GT3 and GT4prolouge.
 
I think we been through this before...of course videogames are going to be unrealistic no matter how realistic it is. What matters is whether its fun, and how close can you get.

EDIT: looks like I was a bit too late. lol.
 
Cheshyrkat
It may not be super realistic but again how fast would a driver be without the fear of dying?
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Good point. in real life you have to worry about getting airborne slamming into the guardrail, bursting into flames. However in the GT4 with TC and the lack of your life not being on the line will make a difference, though not as much as 1 min??
 
i agree. they shold make it so that if you drive realy fast that you get scared and jump out the window of your house. :dopey:
 
I agree with you guys. It may not be realistic , but they've told us that they are trying to do it as close as possible to real life. It's just a game , it can not be realistic even if how hard they try :)
 
Well: it's just a GAME. And the simulation of GAME has always limitations because the pure technical stuff is virtually simulated but not the REALITY affecting the player like G-forces or fear to die when you drive your body, mind and car to extreme limits.

To fly a F-18 by perfect flight-simulation is easy to learn ... but that doesn't mean that you are able to fly a real one and do some nice and easy dog-fights like in the simualtion.
 
eSPy
i agree. they shold make it so that if you drive realy fast that you get scared and jump out the window of your house. :dopey:
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That IS THE solution!!! Now that's what I call a simulation :D Or a drive seat that burthst into flames when your car does :ouch: :crazy:. Somedays...this WILL be able........ :D
 
There is a line where Realism and Fun merge. You can have a game that is Realistic as hell but not have a high fun factor. On the other hand, you can have a game that isn't as Realistic but be extremely fun. If you are looking for an exact simulation of real-life driving, then GT4 isn't for you.
 
It would be a whole different world if simulation could do that.....Schumacher and all the other F1 drivers would stay home because racing in real life is TO BORING!!:D

No, I don't care about lap times themselves, they don't care in real life either, just care about who is the FASTEST not HOW fast. It would be nice with realistic laptimes though
 
You guys are right bout the fear factor and all, but let me get this straight:

An F1 car CANNOT drive on the Nordschleife for real, the track is too bumpy and the constantly changing altitudes would blow an F1 engine.

"The ultimate driving simulator" BULL**** (Dont get me wrong guys, I just ordered GT4 and a Japanese PS2 for over 240euros, ITS hell fun) Call it "the ultimate racinggame!" Thats more the thing.
 
Daddybird
You guys are right bout the fear factor and all, but let me get this straight:

An F1 car CANNOT drive on the Nordschleife for real, the track is too bumpy and the constantly changing altitudes would blow an F1 engine.

"The ultimate driving simulator" BULL**** (Dont get me wrong guys, I just ordered GT4 and a Japanese PS2 for over 240euros, ITS hell fun) Call it "the ultimate racinggame!" Thats more the thing.
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But doesn't it say 'The drive of your life'?
And , yes, I agree that 'The Ultimate Racing Game' sounds better for GT4.
 
GT Obsession
There is a line where Realism and Fun merge. You can have a game that is Realistic as hell but not have a high fun factor. On the other hand, you can have a game that isn't as Realistic but be extremely fun. If you are looking for an exact simulation of real-life driving, then GT4 isn't for you.
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Then you have to play Live For Speed (link is in my avatar) It is without real cars and non excisting tracks but its very good. Steering wheel is acquired and you can change so much on the setup. So people who really want a sim game check out that game LFS S1 and the new LFS S2 (p.s.: it's only on computer)
 
Daddybird
You guys are right bout the fear factor and all, but let me get this straight:

An F1 car CANNOT drive on the Nordschleife for real, the track is too bumpy and the constantly changing altitudes would blow an F1 engine.

"The ultimate driving simulator" BULL**** (Dont get me wrong guys, I just ordered GT4 and a Japanese PS2 for over 240euros, ITS hell fun) Call it "the ultimate racinggame!" Thats more the thing.
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A modern day F1 car could be tuned to run on the Nordscleife...but the speeds wouldn't be what we expect from F1, they would probably be slightly fast (due to better tires) than they were when F1 did race on the Nordschleife in the 70s.

However it would take alot of setup work on the car to get it to run there. It wouldn't be the same car that F1 teams show up to GPs every other weekend with.
 
Daddybird
You guys are right bout the fear factor and all, but let me get this straight:

An F1 car CANNOT drive on the Nordschleife for real, the track is too bumpy and the constantly changing altitudes would blow an F1 engine.

"The ultimate driving simulator" BULL**** (Dont get me wrong guys, I just ordered GT4 and a Japanese PS2 for over 240euros, ITS hell fun) Call it "the ultimate racinggame!" Thats more the thing.
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So how did they manage to race F1 cars on the 'ring up until 1976, yes the cars would need very, very different setup to the current breed of F1 cars.

Remember they have actual taken out the biggest jumps from the 'ring since F1 stopped racing there. also prototype sports car racing was also a regular at the 'ring up until the mid '80's.

Its technicaly more than possiable for an F1 car to race the 'ring, its just considered far to dangerous from a driver safety point of view.
 
Daddybird
I´ve been racing my bike (Honda VFR400R and Yamaha YZF R1) lots and lots on the Nurburgring this summer and I can tell you....the times they manage with GT4 are totally unrealistic.
http://www.mindhome.de/gt4/bmw.html
6min 57 with a M3CSL? No way! For real 8.02 is the best a german test driver could get it at!
I hate to say this, but GT4 fails to simulate driving.....but it´s still hell fun.
And 99% of the ppl playing it, will never race a car or bike for real, so no probs for those, but for the one percent that does....... :crazy:
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actually, the fastest REAL OFFICIAL time is 7.50

it depends on what tires you use......i think the best time to simulate the M3 CSL's time is with either S1, or S2 tires......i know N2 tires are the best for simulating car's real time.....but that's with car's who use street tires....the M3 CSL uses Cup Tires

with the S2 tires on the M3 CSL, the best time I've gotten was 7.53.263......iono, I'm pretty sure there's room for improvement since I haven't compltely mastered the Ring yet.....but i think it's pretty real considering that i drive THE Ring like I would in real life....cautious afraid of spinning out, and losing control
 
Daddybird
You guys are right bout the fear factor and all, but let me get this straight:

An F1 car CANNOT drive on the Nordschleife for real, the track is too bumpy and the constantly changing altitudes would blow an F1 engine.

"The ultimate driving simulator" BULL**** (Dont get me wrong guys, I just ordered GT4 and a Japanese PS2 for over 240euros, ITS hell fun) Call it "the ultimate racinggame!" Thats more the thing.
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Oh , and one more thing.
Since GT4 got F1 cars again , how would it possible to run them then o n Nurburgring? :dunce:
 
Liquid Li0n
Then you have to play Live For Speed (link is in my avatar) It is without real cars and non excisting tracks but its very good. Steering wheel is acquired and you can change so much on the setup. So people who really want a sim game check out that game LFS S1 and the new LFS S2 (p.s.: it's only on computer)
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I got LFS S1, I dont really like it, I had fun with it for about two weeks, but they call it "ultimate realisitc", well I just call it "The cars are sliding like pregnant pigs".
 
If you want realism, take your real car to a track & see what you can do!
Otherwise, stop talking about how unrealistic GT4 the GAME is & keep your negative comments to your self!

99.9% of everyone else on this thread is aware of the subtle flaws of the game and/or are fully aware of the lap times being no where near reality but still don't care about it that much to make a big deal about it considering how much GT4 shines well above all previous versions of the game!

Just my $0.02 is all!
 
Daddybird
Maybe they can get an F1 chassis and engine driving on the Ring, but it sure as hell wouldnt look like a F1 car anymore....
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Why?

The F1 cars that raced before the ban looked little different to the cars that raced at other circuits, same with the GT prototypes.

When GT sports car racing has taken place at Bathurst (again very big elevation changes) do they change in look (other than minor ride height changes); and what about WRC cars, major elevation changes here combined with jumps, yet while the ride height etc changes, the general look of the car does not.

Sorry, I may be being a bit dim here, but I do not see why the 'ring would make an F1 car look nothing like an F1 car. Yes the engine may need changes (very little of which would be visable externally) and the suspension and ride height would of course change. But the complete look of the car, sorry don't get why this would have to happen.

F1 cars in 1976 at the 'ring

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Daddybird
I know, but PD sais so.
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What!!!

You are aware that teh original Gran Turismo (and all the following versions) have carried the tag line 'The real driving simulator' and are aware of the concept of marketing.

Its a game, on the PS2, yes it pushes what the harware is capable of but its never going to be perfect. Its as much of a simulator as the platform and its technology will allow.

If you are realy that upset about it, then sue them.

Until then, for christ sake, get a grip and please don't keep being so damn literal.
 
Scaff
What!!!

You are aware that teh original Gran Turismo (and all the following versions) have carried the tag line 'The real driving simulator' and are aware of the concept of marketing.

Its a game, on the PS2, yes it pushes what the harware is capable of but its never going to be perfect. Its as much of a simulator as the platform and its technology will allow.

If you are realy that upset about it, then sue them.

Until then, for christ sake, get a grip and please don't keep being so damn literal.
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This is absolutely not my point, if you think it is, I'm sorry about it.
I just wanted to show you all that if you drive lots of cars alot of time on high speeds, GT isnt that realistic (also due to the G forces!!) but still hell of fun.
I'm also not saying it should be 100% realistic, it wouldnt be as much as it is now, for a videogame its perfect.
 
Daddybird
This is absolutely not my point, if you think it is, I'm sorry about it.
I just wanted to show you all that if you drive lots of cars alot of time on high speeds, GT isnt that realistic (also due to the G forces!!) but still hell of fun.
I'm also not saying it should be 100% realistic, it wouldnt be as much as it is now, for a videogame its perfect.
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Well in that case all is cool (but your still wrong about F1 cars on the 'ring)

Regards

Scaff
 

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