Gt4 Physics

[wnaaman]

Could not deny that. I would have to agree with 'sportscarm3' cause I also do a bit of drifting in real life. Drifting in GT4 seems a lot harder than it should be!! What the heck?

I bought a dfp about a year ago when I heard it can be fully utilized with gt4 prologue. Thought it could save my pocket and my car of continuous torture, I decided to invest on it so I can practice and do much more 'relax' drifting at home after a hard day work at the office.

The thing is, I ended up playing GT3 again instead of gt4 prologue. Why? Because it is so frustrating. There is no doubt u can do some drifting, but it does not represent the same fun factor with real life. GT3 in simulation tires still gives the feel of correct physics though u do the steering works only with 270d mode.

After a long wait, GT4 finally came out (NTSC version). I thought the physics changed but unfortunately there are no improvements from the ‘prologue’. I would like to highlight the bad physics which does not happen in GT3 or real life…

1) U can’t continuously power over (after the apex) on the tarmac track on low hp car (<300 hp), the tire won’t spin at a drifting angle even after being fitted with LSD and N1 street tire. It just made driftin retarded and dull...and u can’t hold the drift. If you insist on the throttle during the exit, the car will fling out to the other direction during the counter steer …which is not real at all....it happens all the time in the game!! I tried with different sort of settings and tire combination but the twitchy fling still happens. I don’t know, maybe someone could fix the inertia of the car or something in the future (maybe can be fixed by code perhaps) Well…. it never happened with my old 120 hp Corona and some other cars I drifted in real life!

2) The e-brake does not work properly! This is too obvious to explain...take the S14 in the game for example, even u pull the e-brake in 2nd gear when turning into the corner for several seconds the car still doesn't seems to bend in! Put it in real life for the same amount of time and speed, it would have already spun out! Try if u don't believe...

3) Understeer....understeer...understeer....especially when u used street tires where the only tyre available that can make the wheels spin for drifting purposes.

4) U can’t even do a proper donut!!! Countersteer donut is even impossible!! Is this what they call simulation?

5) The only place u can do sort of good drifting is on the gravel track (Don’t know about on snow cause never drive on it! No snow in my country!). Still, it feels floating, and on the fast drift, the car always fling to the other direction if you throttle out during counter steer....resulting a drift that cannot be hold through out the particular corner...which is again not real... drifting on gravel is pretty easy in real life and does not feel the same...if you ever do rallying you certainly know what I mean….trust me and try out on a big open gravel area for a start...u can do a good + long drift even with a ff cars!

As conclusion, GT4 is still a great game….Nice graphics, loads of cars and tracks……its just that you will start frustrated once u know about real drifting. The physics of GT3 in simulation tires on the other hand is far better than GT4, but can’t be fully steered with dfp then. I know u can unlock the dfp to 900d mode in the game, but the game is not designed for it, steering from left to right be too wide and uncontrollable (hope somebody knows a way to fix that).

Real life drifting on the other hand is much much more fun but you can’t do it everyday unless you are a racer or posh. It will dry your pockets in seconds. That’s why a person with a hobby like me needs a good simulator to practice and improve it in a safe way. Besides, where can you see your replay immediately after your trial without bringing anybody to capture your action? Only in simulators and games….. Care to agree?

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Could not deny that. I would have to agree with 'sportscarm3' cause I also do a bit of drifting in real life. Drifting in GT4 seems a lot harder than it should be!! What the heck?

I bought a dfp about a year ago when I heard it can be fully utilized with gt4 prologue. Thought it could save my pocket and my car of continuous torture, I decided to invest on it so I can practice and do much more 'relax' drifting at home after a hard day work at the office.

The thing is, I ended up playing GT3 again instead of gt4 prologue. Why? Because it is so frustrating. There is no doubt u can do some drifting, but it does not represent the same fun factor with real life. GT3 in simulation tires still gives the feel of correct physics though u do the steering works only with 270d mode.

After a long wait, GT4 finally came out (NTSC version). I thought the physics changed but unfortunately there are no improvements from the ‘prologue’. I would like to highlight the bad physics which does not happen in GT3 or real life…

1) U can’t continuously power over (after the apex) on the tarmac track on low hp car (<300 hp), the tire won’t spin at a drifting angle even after being fitted with LSD and N1 street tire. It just made driftin retarded and dull...and u can’t hold the drift. If you insist on the throttle during the exit, the car will fling out to the other direction during the counter steer …which is not real at all....it happens all the time in the game!! I tried with different sort of settings and tire combination but the twitchy fling still happens. I don’t know, maybe someone could fix the inertia of the car or something in the future (maybe can be fixed by code perhaps) Well…. it never happened with my old 120 hp Corona and some other cars I drifted in real life!

2) The e-brake does not work properly! This is too obvious to explain...take the S14 in the game for example, even u pull the e-brake in 2nd gear when turning into the corner for several seconds the car still doesn't seems to bend in! Put it in real life for the same amount of time and speed, it would have already spun out! Try if u don't believe...

3) Understeer....understeer...understeer....especially when u used street tires where the only tyre available that can make the wheels spin for drifting purposes.

4) U can’t even do a proper donut!!! Countersteer donut is even impossible!! Is this what they call simulation?

5) The only place u can do sort of good drifting is on the gravel track (Don’t know about on snow cause never drive on it! No snow in my country!). Still, it feels floating, and on the fast drift, the car always fling to the other direction if you throttle out during counter steer....resulting a drift that cannot be hold through out the particular corner...which is again not real... drifting on gravel is pretty easy in real life and does not feel the same...if you ever do rallying you certainly know what I mean….trust me and try out on a big open gravel area for a start...u can do a good + long drift even with a ff cars!

As conclusion, GT4 is still a great game….Nice graphics, loads of cars and tracks……its just that you will start frustrated once u know about real drifting. The physics of GT3 in simulation tires on the other hand is far better than GT4, but can’t be fully steered with dfp then. I know u can unlock the dfp to 900d mode in the game, but the game is not designed for it, steering from left to right be too wide and uncontrollable (hope somebody knows a way to fix that).

Real life drifting on the other hand is much much more fun but you can’t do it everyday unless you are a racer or posh. It will dry your pockets in seconds. That’s why a person with a hobby like me needs a good simulator to practice and improve it in a safe way. Besides, where can you see your replay immediately after your trial without bringing anybody to capture your action? Only in simulators and games….. Care to agree?

Take a look at the thread: "my first GT4 drift video" or something, they HAVE managed it so, for the bigger part that does NOT drift in real life, they (me included) don't recognize that drifting is unrealistic, it's just hard

 

[nk4e]

if you guys can do it in Real life, then you can do it on a video game

 

[Jay]

I agree drifting in GT4 is different to real life (havent got GT4 yet but seen lots of vids), but with practice and setup you should be able to master drift in GT4. Just check out the drifts the guys can do http://overdrift.hp.infoseek.co.jp/movie/movie.top.htm#-movie-

 

[s2000lover]

lolo u think its that easy? its not jst the settings, u need to be good at counter steering

 

[Gen.]

God I love those guys

 

[nk4e]

lolo u think its that easy? its not jst the settings, u need to be good at counter steering

At least someone is learning

 

[Mclaren_Man]

Ok, just a quick question out of all the people in this forum, how many of you guys drift in real life? (I don't I am still on my L's ) and how would a young lad like me get involved on the drifiting scene in say...4-5 years time? Do you have to be a member of a car club or something?

 

[Gen.]

No.. just get out with a FR car at a drift session they usually have, and join in You live where a drift club is for crying out loud! I'm on my L's too

 

[Mclaren_Man]

Allright sounds cool, all I need now is a car

I get my P's in two weeks

 

[nk4e]

still on meh P

 

[RX-7_FC_DrIfteR]

Only 4 months till i get my L's

Now i wont have to worry and pull my rx-7 over everytime i see a cop

 

[Jay]

Ok, just a quick question out of all the people in this forum, how many of you guys drift in real life? (I don't I am still on my L's ) and how would a young lad like me get involved on the drifiting scene in say...4-5 years time? Do you have to be a member of a car club or something?

Just get a car and go to drift practice sessions, once your confident enter the competions, not hard at all. Prepare to spend quite a few dollars if your serious about it.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

I agree drifting in GT4 is different to real life (havent got GT4 yet but seen lots of vids), but with practice and setup you should be able to master drift in GT4. Just check out the drifts the guys can do http://overdrift.hp.infoseek.co.jp/movie/movie.top.htm#-movie-

I have already seen the two supra's and a "from the inside" vid. but I never saw those first two, but I think that only the supra's look really good:tup:, not the others 👎(just looking at tire smoke, cause I can't do any of that myself..........cause I don't have the game )

 

[RoundeyeDrifter]

Can any of you guys complaining about the ease of drifting in GT4, switch your DFP to 200 deg. lock to lock and give us an accurate comparison of GT3 vs GT4 in that sense? I know in GT3 the steering sensitivity is speed sensitive, this may have some impact when comparing the two. I would think if you switched to 200 you might experience something similar in GT4, just an idea. Also I have no doubt drifting is easier in real life, you have so many more inputs/feeling for what you car is doing, not to mention a clutch to assist in controlling you cars stability. So that point is kinda moot when comparing a game to real life. The guys on Overdrift seem to have things down somewhat although I notice they are heavy into using Feint Drifting techniques. Also from my experience you wanna countersteer almost as soon as you initiate the drift, might some of you be waiting to long to countersteer or not countersteering enough having to compensate for the new freedom of 900 deg?

Anyway. Nice to see a community growing, and best of luck to all of you.

Laters.

 

[Stanley^Carter]

ok lets keep it simple, a car with hp above 200hp, can do a donut easily even when its on dry surface and without use of the clutch, all you need to do is turn the steering and full throttle.
do the same in GT4 and its not possible, that's just funny, and sad.

still, GT4 is a great game.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Actually, I haven't heard ANYONE say it's actually NICE AND FUN to drift, I think that the people, me included, that DON'T have GT4 yet, get a bit of a wrong impression on drifting, it can't be THAT bad

 

[SpliffMx5]

It wasn't that bad in prologue at all and it can't be bad in GT4....
I could easily drift the SL or GTR at a decent angle in prologue,even the nissan silvia was no problem and it had not much more than 200hp...and you could adjust NOTHING in GTP,that was the only thing that bothered me a little...

Speaking of real life drifting,my mx5 miata has 116ps(hp?) and weights about nothing but it's almost impossible to loose grip on dry tarmac in second gear,although my tires aren't fresh at all
Same goes for my fathers e-class with 170ps,that thing does donuts like a boeing,it just DOESN'T WANT to spin,so it's not like every car above 75ps goes sideways all the time 💡

Just keep trying,rome wasn't build in a day

So after all i'm still looking forward to drift in GT4 because in my opinion they do a pretty good job with the grip/drift thing,if it would be easy as nfsu than it would be crappy as nfsu and forget a drift mode drift where you want...

 

[Scaff]

ok lets keep it simple, a car with hp above 200hp, can do a donut easily even when its on dry surface and without use of the clutch, all you need to do is turn the steering and full throttle.
do the same in GT4 and its not possible, that's just funny, and sad.

still, GT4 is a great game.

And nothing at all to do with the games physics, but everything to do with the steering assistance. You can put the steering to full lock, but at lower speeds the game will not apply full lock.

Without full lock you are never going to be able to donut; this is nothing new in the GT series. Try and do a donut and then watch the replay, you will see that while you can apply full lock to the DS2 or Steering wheel, the car will not achieve full lock and this can be seen on the reply.

 

[AdrenalineSRX]

Just get a car and go to drift practice sessions, once your confident enter the competions, not hard at all. Prepare to spend quite a few dollars if your serious about it.

And a lot of tires

 

[fujiwaratofuuuu]

I always thought that in GT3 the physics on sim tires were too drifty . . . Driving at the same speed in real life, the tires broke traction a lot less than in gt3, even with only slight turn in.

and speaking of breaking traction on tarmac, i think it's amazing how guys like nobuteru tanaguchi drift with those street legal race tires. . . those things grip like crazy!

 

[Stanley^Carter]

i think it's amazing how guys like nobuteru tanaguchi drift with those street legal race tires. . . those things grip like crazy!

it grips like crazy only in the game, in real life, it's considered easy to wheelspin the tires with a little bit more extra throttle, as the car is tuned to be drifty and it has more than 450 horsepowers under the hood.

 

[exhaust_note]

it has more than 450 horsepowers under the hood.

you sounds like the narrator from BMI. thats only the second time i've seen/heard an S added to horsepower.

 

[Mclaren_Man]

Just get a car and go to drift practice sessions, once your confident enter the competions, not hard at all. Prepare to spend quite a few dollars if your serious about it.

$$$ I think I'll have to wait untill I am older to get into a comp (I am only earning $12 an hour at the moment )

 

[JaeTea]

you will see that while you can apply full lock to the DS2 or Steering wheel, the car will not achieve full lock and this can be seen on the reply.

Even with a 900 degree mode???

Well thats just......stupid. 👎

 

[Scaff]

Even with a 900 degree mode???

Well thats just......stupid. 👎

No 100% sure about GT4 with DFP, as I have to wait until March in the UK.

I hope that GT4 has the ability to remove the steering assistance.

 

[Swift]

No 100% sure about GT4 with DFP, as I have to wait until March in the UK.

I hope that GT4 has the ability to remove the steering assistance.

Yep, I know you can for a fact. But that makes countersteering quite difficult.

 

[Scaff]

Yep, I know you can for a fact. But that makes countersteering quite difficult.

Only as difficult as it should be.

Thanks for the confirmation, been waiting to be able to turn it off in GT for a long time.

 

[Swift]

Only as difficult as it should be.

Thanks for the confirmation, been waiting to be able to turn it off in GT for a long time.

Well, if you go to simulation mode(for steering) in GT3, that's pretty much off. Drifting becomes very hard.

 

[on_b00st]

Could not deny that. I would have to agree with 'sportscarm3' cause I also do a bit of drifting in real life. Drifting in GT4 seems a lot harder than it should be!! What the heck?

I bought a dfp about a year ago when I heard it can be fully utilized with gt4 prologue. Thought it could save my pocket and my car of continuous torture, I decided to invest on it so I can practice and do much more 'relax' drifting at home after a hard day work at the office.

The thing is, I ended up playing GT3 again instead of gt4 prologue. Why? Because it is so frustrating. There is no doubt u can do some drifting, but it does not represent the same fun factor with real life. GT3 in simulation tires still gives the feel of correct physics though u do the steering works only with 270d mode.

After a long wait, GT4 finally came out (NTSC version). I thought the physics changed but unfortunately there are no improvements from the ‘prologue’. I would like to highlight the bad physics which does not happen in GT3 or real life…

1) U can’t continuously power over (after the apex) on the tarmac track on low hp car (<300 hp), the tire won’t spin at a drifting angle even after being fitted with LSD and N1 street tire. It just made driftin retarded and dull...and u can’t hold the drift. If you insist on the throttle during the exit, the car will fling out to the other direction during the counter steer …which is not real at all....it happens all the time in the game!! I tried with different sort of settings and tire combination but the twitchy fling still happens. I don’t know, maybe someone could fix the inertia of the car or something in the future (maybe can be fixed by code perhaps) Well…. it never happened with my old 120 hp Corona and some other cars I drifted in real life!

2) The e-brake does not work properly! This is too obvious to explain...take the S14 in the game for example, even u pull the e-brake in 2nd gear when turning into the corner for several seconds the car still doesn't seems to bend in! Put it in real life for the same amount of time and speed, it would have already spun out! Try if u don't believe...

3) Understeer....understeer...understeer....especially when u used street tires where the only tyre available that can make the wheels spin for drifting purposes.

4) U can’t even do a proper donut!!! Countersteer donut is even impossible!! Is this what they call simulation?

5) The only place u can do sort of good drifting is on the gravel track (Don’t know about on snow cause never drive on it! No snow in my country!). Still, it feels floating, and on the fast drift, the car always fling to the other direction if you throttle out during counter steer....resulting a drift that cannot be hold through out the particular corner...which is again not real... drifting on gravel is pretty easy in real life and does not feel the same...if you ever do rallying you certainly know what I mean….trust me and try out on a big open gravel area for a start...u can do a good + long drift even with a ff cars!

As conclusion, GT4 is still a great game….Nice graphics, loads of cars and tracks……its just that you will start frustrated once u know about real drifting. The physics of GT3 in simulation tires on the other hand is far better than GT4, but can’t be fully steered with dfp then. I know u can unlock the dfp to 900d mode in the game, but the game is not designed for it, steering from left to right be too wide and uncontrollable (hope somebody knows a way to fix that).

Real life drifting on the other hand is much much more fun but you can’t do it everyday unless you are a racer or posh. It will dry your pockets in seconds. That’s why a person with a hobby like me needs a good simulator to practice and improve it in a safe way. Besides, where can you see your replay immediately after your trial without bringing anybody to capture your action? Only in simulators and games….. Care to agree?

Stop complaining....it's not the game it's you....every1 else seems to be able to do it fine