Gt4 Physics

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georgeymoney
Hell no. I set assistance to pro and love feedback. Who would spend $150 on a wheel and not use force feedback ;)

Why do you spend money on the DFP, if everybody advices 200 degree mode??!:odd:
Or does the DF haven't got the force feedback??
 
Swift
Well, if you go to simulation mode(for steering) in GT3, that's pretty much off. Drifting becomes very hard.

Even on sim mode (for steering) in GT3 the assistance is too much.

My basic test is do-nuts, if you can't do them (I always use an S2000) then steering assist is still on to some degree.

Does make drifting more difficult, but I only drift now and then for fun. It also make it more difficult to catch the back end if it steps out when racing/hot lapping.

More fun.
 
im have serious hard time drifting with my new DFP........but its so much more fun than the controller.........just gonna take a while till i get good at it
 
Scaff
Even on sim mode (for steering) in GT3 the assistance is too much.

My basic test is do-nuts, if you can't do them (I always use an S2000) then steering assist is still on to some degree.

Does make drifting more difficult, but I only drift now and then for fun. It also make it more difficult to catch the back end if it steps out when racing/hot lapping.

More fun.

Ok, well have fun bud. I mean, I'm looking for just a bit of help, especially in the beginning. I can understand how you would want total control with no help, but sometimes it can be nice. Most cars today have some kind of steering/braking/traction assistance on them. So I don't consider it cheating or anything like that.

But I can see where you're coming from, though I probably won't be there...heh heh.
 
hmm, what i do is configure the ASM
I make it so the Oversteer prevention is taken off. and the Understeer is set to 10.
Therefore the car doesnt stop oversteer, but it sure as hell prevents the car from understeering.
Take off the traction control..and the cars start sliding now, and theres no understeer at all, its great!
Try it out. I had a problem with doing donuts and drifing..but now its not a problem anymore
 
I'm very impressed by the game physics and am suprised now to see that others had been knocking them. I don't plan to write any sort of technical evaluation of them yet (though I'm sure i will in the future), but I think they feel far more real than GT3 ever did, and drifting seems more than possible.

I'm using a DS2 (grumble grumble), and have been able to pull off some drifts, though nothing I care to share yet. The biggest thing holding me back so far is just my progress into the game. I havent found the cash yet to build a car exclusively for drifting - nor even to afford buying original suspension.

I'm loving it so far. 👍
 
TankSpanker
I'm very impressed by the game physics and am suprised now to see that others had been knocking them. I don't plan to write any sort of technical evaluation of them yet (though I'm sure i will in the future), but I think they feel far more real than GT3 ever did, and drifting seems more than possible.

I'm using a DS2 (grumble grumble), and have been able to pull off some drifts, though nothing I care to share yet. The biggest thing holding me back so far is just my progress into the game. I havent found the cash yet to build a car exclusively for drifting - nor even to afford buying original suspension.

I'm loving it so far. 👍
gt4's physics are impressive ... i don't see why you guys are knocking on it so much .... i've yet to try my hand at drifting though
 
Can i bring up steering assist again?

In gt3, i could drift very well with the DS2, then i got a DFP before gt4 came out, and with steering assist on simulation, you simply couldn't drift, ou couldnt get full lock, i put steering assist on professional(begrudginly) and matters were greatly improved, not up to DS2 levels, but much better.

Now as ive only had gt4 since tuesday, im not sure whether its just me being crap, or if its a similar set up here? i have steering assist on simulation, and it feels as if maybe i could drift, but certainly not at any real angle.

Im just looking to see if anyone has had this problem and if professional makes a noticeable difference in any other fields? I don't want to get used to professional just to make drifting ieasier now when i could get it down properly in sim mode with loads of practice. It's just very reminiscent of those moments in GT3, where as soon as you passed a certain level, thats it, you're gone, you simply cannot get it back, and that didnt happen at the same point with either the DS2, or professional steering assist.

Sorry for the hefty post.



Edit: Just started playing around with the nismo 270R, surely i can drift this? Well, amazingly, suspension tweakery actually makes a noticeable diference in gran turismo now. I gave it some front camber, lowered the front (encourage weight off those rear wheels) and stiffened the dampers a bit, and it is a happier animal now than before, doesnt understeer as much, especially at low speeds (im playing around on autumn ring mini) However it has sports softs on, so may have to buy some shoddy road tyres to really lose the back.
 
exhaust_note
:lol:

you sounds like the narrator from BMI. thats only the second time i've seen/heard an S added to horsepower.

Hahahah horsepowers.

Like that one Impreeza that put out 450 horsepowers?

You know the one..


But yeah, drifting is a pain in GT4, especially with the fact that you can't calibrate the wheel to your liking, and the fact that wheels that are calibrated to my liking are no longer supported by the series, despite PD's close relationship with Logitech.

Even grip driving can result in several punches to my head and a handful of swearwords (yes, I take sh-t that seriously), when the car touches the gravel and starts swaying. I just can't keep up with the excessive amounts of countersteer required to straighten it out.

Cars are friggin' dangerous.

I don't own one, and because of some of the strange and unpredictable behaviour that I've witnessed with some of these cars, I don't think I want to own one, because if I jumped in the seat of a real car and started driving the way I do in-game..

Seriously. They would have trouble identifying me with dental records :guilty:
 
"Cars are friggin' dangerous."

Ive had the pleasure of destroying a clio through the merits of all this countersteer flick one way then another nonsense, so i dare say its realistic at least.

Palming it is a good way to keep up with some of the more crazy inputs.

iA test 15, 9minutes of the tensest driving ever. This is getting beyond a game, i lost the tail a bit on one of the many turns, i was soo tense and delicate, its often good in those situations ive found to let the car slide a bit by itself, no real throttle input, dnt countersteer, just hold it steady, and let her calm down again. Scary as hell though, and i rumour has it hell is pretty damn scary.

Any veteran driters willing to offer some advice on my earlier post??
 
Yes the drifting physics in GT4 are a little out of whack. However it is still very possible to drift in the game, with a steering wheel or DS2 (I use the controller :crazy: ).

As many people have said already, you can't even do donuts in the game, which is just rediculous. A stock AMERICAN 240SX can do donuts, and they come with 155-165 hp stock and NO LSD to speak of, not even a VLSD. I've drifted stock Miatas, S13s, S14s, and FCs, all american versions, all non-turbo, all bone-stock. Someone mentioned the e-brake in GT4 too. That thing is so friggin messed up it's rediculous. Try getting into a car with a hand lever style e-brake (the normal kind) get up to about 30-40 mph, cut the wheel, pull the e-brake, let it back down, and try to counter steer/throttle control your way through the slide. No matter WHAT kind of car you're driving, the ass end will FLY out the instant you pull on that e-brake. You've got a fraction of a second to let it back down, counter steer, and pull your way through the corner, before the ass end whips all the way around and you end up facing the other direction.

In GT4 the e-brake is like a really ****ty version of the regular brakes, which is stupid, because the e-brake is meant to isntantly lock up the rear wheels and only the rear wheels.

In a real car the e-brake does not even affect the front end, and the game does not reflect this at all.
 
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