GT4 WRS Week 4: "Mid-engine Multi-Lap Mayhem"

[VTRacing]

Was tearing my hair out trying to get a decent time until I realised:
💡
Braking late does not help you here, exit speed is everything

T1: 31.149 T2: 1'01.550
T1: 24.434 T2: 54.382
T1: 24.478 T2: 54.556

Div 2 DFP

I can't help but feel though that I'm losing heaps of time in T3

 

[Alpine3]

Oh man i almost dont even want to post my times so far. Can't post a non competitive time the week I make it to D1 The pressure's on this week
Been a real busy week and haven't really been able to give the espirit a good workout.
Hope to have a day free on the weekend to see just what I can do.

So far:
Lap 1
T1: 0'31.559
T2: 1'01.594

Lap 2
T1: 0'24.522
T2: 0'54.632

Lap 3
T1: 0'24.176
T2: 0'54.042

Has anyone experimented with different levels of difficulty? Maybe there's a difficulty setting + grid of cars that can allow you to draft through T1 and a little bit of T2 without getting in the way?
Or, does the difficulty setting have to be -10? CFM can you clarify this for me?

 

[kragbees]

Yes one has to get the field right otherwise you're stuffed . Got my 1st clean 3 laps in and it looks like this :

Lap 1
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T1 : 31.0
T2 : 1:01.2

Lap 2
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T1 : 24.3
T2 : 54.6

Lap 3
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T1 : 24.3
T2 : 54.6


No it's not a typo, those 2 laps are exactly the same on the tenths haha

Have seen a 1st T1 of 30.7 as well, almost freaked out when I saw it was the same as hOt6o4bOi's haha

Oh and using the DFP this time around ...

 

[holl01]

had a run and improved my overall time by .400 secs. heres the progress:

lap1 T1 30.609 ------> 30.886
T2 1'00.530 -----> 1'00.344

lap2 T1 23.967 ------> 23.847 (the first corner i had to view in photomode, 1 and a bit tyres where touching, the right rear being the close one, it was just touching the white line)
T2 53.668 ------> 53.423

lap3 T1 23.983 ------> 23.971
T2 53.480 ------> 53.478

Still using the DS2 btw.

 

[kragbees]

had a run and improved my overall time by .400 secs. heres the progress:

lap1 T1 30.609 ------> 30.886
T2 1'00.530 -----> 1'00.344

lap2 T1 23.967 ------> 23.847 (the first corner i had to view in photomode, 1 and a bit tyres where touching, the right rear being the close one, it was just touching the white line)
T2 53.668 ------> 53.423

lap3 T1 23.983 ------> 23.971
T2 53.480 ------> 53.478

Still using the DS2 btw.

Impressive times there holl01 ! 👍 Looks like I'm about 3 seconds off the pace at the final T2 ... so it puts me in a good spot this week I think ...

 

[Teledriel]

Isn't rubbing racing?

Well ran some laps today finally.

Lap 1
T1 : 34.163
T2 : 1' 06.170

Lap 2
T1 : 26.613
T2 : 57.897

Lap 3
T1 : 26.806
T2 : 58.907

Seen below 26 on first T and below 32 and 1' 04 on first lap, but ended dirty.... But a clean time better than no time.

@Nat .. nope nope nope.. didn't do it, just that stupid 4th starting car wanted to tap my rear bumber all the time though in that corner....

DS2

 

[CFM]

Or, does the difficulty setting have to be -10? CFM can you clarify this for me?

For this week, keep it at -10, since everyone has been using this since the start of the week. Next time I'll make it so that you can set it at whatever you like.

 

[holl01]

For this week, keep it at -10, since everyone has been using this since the start of the week. Next time I'll make it so that you can set it at whatever you like.

-10 is the best setting anyway, but i've found that if u put soft tires on the other cars, you get a better run into the first corner, one time i fluked it and got a 30.422 with that setting.

 

[Lotrzyna]

I did some tests in time trial - the best I could get was:
24.283
54.613

there is still little to improve ..
Now I must get it 3 times in a row

 

[circa86]

I freaking like this combo ... I've only gone around about 5 times, but my T's are damned competitive ... YAY!!!!

31.951 - 103.016
24.886 - 55.668
24.924 - 55.476

I really think that I can hack .5 off my T1 and maybe as much as a second off my T2 with some practice (it's currently my weakest T, I have no idea what I'm doing)

I think it's a half decent start, tho

DIV3, DFP

keep trying to get your T1 L1 time under 31. It is all about the car field for sure. I have managed a 30.6 through T1. You just have to throw the car perfectly through the first turn and you can pass all the cars before that third turn into the tunnel.

Under 31 is quite possible just keep trying different fields and different ways to go through turn 1.

 

[ROB 256R]

Got a question with regards to a part of the track and whether it is classed as rumble strip or not. It's the outside of the track coming into the last turn before the start/finish straight.

This is the part i mean:


And more specifically the paved part which IMO is just an extension of the rumble strip:


If so then this would be OK? Yeah?

 

[Small_Fryz]

i believe it is , your on that cobblestone stuff, only 1 tires is on rumble strip. Thus you have 3 tires off.

 

[ROB 256R]

i believe it is , your on that cobblestone stuff, only 1 tires is on rumble strip. Thus you have 3 tires off.

I hope your not right I mean i can see why the cobblestones on the inside of turn one aren't classed as part of the track, because they are a seperate row behind the rumble strip, but the area i am on about is a row connected to the rumble strip which is why i think it should be Ok?

 

[Nuvolari]

I hope your not right I mean i can see why the cobblestones on the inside of turn one aren't classed as part of the track, because they are a seperate row behind the rumble strip, but the area i am on about is a row connected to the rumble strip which is why i think it should be Ok?

Thought we cleared all that up with the combination of post #17, #87, #88, and one or two after that.

You must have at least two tires inside (toward the asphalt) of the absolute outermost part of the red and white curbing, CFM.

And clearly your photo shows that you have less than two tires on the legal surface.

Tazio

 

[Nuvolari]

I hope your not right I mean i can see why the cobblestones on the inside of turn one aren't classed as part of the track, because they are a seperate row behind the rumble strip, but the area i am on about is a row connected to the rumble strip which is why i think it should be Ok?

Last word on this from CFM was post #109.

FYI.

 

[Nuvolari]

I hope your not right I mean i can see why the cobblestones on the inside of turn one aren't classed as part of the track, because they are a seperate row behind the rumble strip, but the area i am on about is a row connected to the rumble strip which is why i think it should be Ok?

This may be a stupid question, but do you think you can go faster driving out there in the grass?

 

[RedWolfRacer]

My bro joked about taking a rally car to suzuka circuit and rallying on the outside of the track the entire course. I thought it was funny because he was right: there's tons of dirt out there. I haven't tested this theory but it'd make for some interesting time challenges! lol

For this course though, that seems pretty dumb.

CFM: didn't realize the corner after the tunnel was so steep! I guess it's the low camera angle even tough I use 1st person view. I don't feel it either when I'm turning. *shrug* Just a visual thing I guess.

 

[ROB 256R]

Thought we cleared all that up with the combination of post #17, #87, #88, and one or two after that.

You must have at least two tires inside (toward the asphalt) of the absolute outermost part of the red and white curbing, CFM.

And clearly your photo shows that you have less than two tires on the legal surface.

Tazio

Yes, but nobody has brought up the legality of the cobblestones on this particular corner. They are positioned totally differently to the ones commented on in previous posts and as such i think they deserve a seperate evaluation from CFM. If i'm wrong about this i apologise in advance.

 

[Small_Fryz]

cobblestone is cobblestone, makes no difference where it is, It does not count as track

 

[LoveMyMiata]

That's ilegal:
"If there are no curbs limiting the track, the white borderline represents the limits of the track. "

The Aloha branch of division 3 WRS racers spent a bit last night looking at replays from week 3, specifically with this white line interpretation in mind. I will have pictures to back up my statements later this evening, but I had problems getting them off the PS2 (what the heck do I do with a .max file that AR MAX software copied a GT4 photo data from my memory card to its Max Drive?).

We saw several instances of cars being completely (all 4 fours a couple of feet) OUTSIDE the white lines where there are no rumble strips. I read the above statement as this being illegal driving. So what is the scoop on this?

 

[Small_Fryz]

post the names in which you found these.

 

[LoveMyMiata]

That's ilegal:
"If there are no curbs limiting the track, the white borderline represents the limits of the track. "

We saw several instances of cars being completely (all 4 fours a couple of feet) OUTSIDE the white lines where there are no rumble strips. I read the above statement as this being illegal driving. So what is the scoop on this?

Since the three of us are in Div 3, we were curious how the heck the division 1 times were possible (magic, I'm thinking). hot604boi (or something) and CFM were the fastest NTSC replays I found, so I grabbed those. In two instances hot604boi is completely outside the white line, and in one instance CFM appears to be as well (although we didn't look as closely at that one).

The first problem area is between the two left handers after the T1 split, with the large concrete runoff area outside the white line. It makes the second full throttle left turn much quicker to go outside the line. The second spot is after the 270 deg. left turn. The rumble strip ends at one point, leaving bare concrete outside the while line before the grass and rumble strip pick up again. Again, going completely outside the white line allows for a faster exit from the 270 deg. turn.

Both JMitch17 and I threw away faster laps than we finally claimed because we were outside the white line thinking that was illegal territory. So before we spend too much time on week 4, I'd like to get the official take on the legality of the "white line".

I'll post the pictures I took from the replays as soon as I figure out how to get the picture data from the .max file on my MAX drive.

We're not trying to pick at others fast times, just to understand what is allowable and not so we can either take advantage of places where we're being overly conservative or continute to take tighter corners because the rules mandate such.

Thanks.

 

[Small_Fryz]

that was allowable because it was tarmac.

in deepforest you are allowed to go over the white line on the pit straight as its tarmac (between left wall and left white line). Im sorry you chucked away faster times but it was discused in week3 that the area between those 2 left handers after T1 was allowed. Pretty much if its tarmac, you can run on it, is normally the rule, unless stated otherwise. Concrete and panted areas (like on le sarthe) should always be clarifed, but if its normaly tarmac then 99 / 100 its fine.

 

[LoveMyMiata]

that was allowable because it was tarmac.

in deepforest you are allowed to go over the white line on the pit straight as its tarmac (between left wall and left white line). Im sorry you chucked away faster times but it was discused in week3 that the area between those 2 left handers after T1 was allowed. Pretty much if its tarmac, you can run on it, is normally the rule, unless stated otherwise. Concrete and panted areas (like on le sarthe) should always be clarifed, but if its normaly tarmac then 99 / 100 its fine.

What's the difference between tarmac and concrete?

So the area outside the white line after the 270 turn was ok also? Hmm, guess I'll have to spend more time reading the forums. So how do I get a job to get paid to read gtplanet.net and race during the week?

 

[Small_Fryz]

hm, i cant remeber what it looked like now, the bit after the 270.

http://db.granturismo.de/rules.php

have a look there.

there are a few examples.

 

[Toffe]

I'm so stupid! I sat for 2 hours setting times and then discovered that you could lower the weight by 10 % !!! I had forgot that. It's just to start all over again...

 

[Nuvolari]

What's the difference between tarmac and concrete?

So the area outside the white line after the 270 turn was ok also? Hmm, guess I'll have to spend more time reading the forums. So how do I get a job to get paid to read gtplanet.net and race during the week?

Fair observations, LMY.

I think you gotta be able to use any black stuff (tar/macadam, asphalt, whatever you call it), like that asphalt at the 270 exit at Autumn Ring and like the left side of the straight at Deep Forest (why you would want to, who knows) and the left side of the road down the hill after T1 at DF. That absolutely can't be illegal. It would be ridiculous.

Except for the left side of the straight at DF, which would have no effect on times, everyone would use those other asphalt areas. Could anyone imagine not driving on that asphalt on the left side descending to the tricky right hand bend down from T1? It's hard enough to avoid getting illegal through that right hander, even though it's probably not the fast way around.

I hope the clerk of the course is seeing all this.

 

[Kolyana]

keep trying to get your T1 L1 time under 31. It is all about the car field for sure. I have managed a 30.6 through T1. You just have to throw the car perfectly through the first turn and you can pass all the cars before that third turn into the tunnel.

Under 31 is quite possible just keep trying different fields and different ways to go through turn 1.

Yes, this was 5 races with the first set of cars given me ... I haven't played around with their tires or composition yet. Even so, I'm passing the entire field before the first tunnel and sometimes taking lead by the second bend. I think with some playing around I can field a half decent time this week.

 

[Nuvolari]

I'm so stupid! I sat for 2 hours setting times and then discovered that you could lower the weight by 10 % !!! I had forgot that. It's just to start all over again...

Now you'll be like a rocketship on rails.

 

[NielsG]

A small update:

31.590 - 1'01.989
24.909 - 0'55.371
24.710 - 0'55.039

Had a lot of fun with this one, but I think it's time to stop now, while I'm still enjoying myself. These multilappers can suddenly turn very frustrating, when I'm getting close to my limit.