GT4 WRS Week 45 : "WRS 3rd Anniversary"

[Thirdeye]

Nissan Falken* GT-R (844hp) :
T1: 32.437
T2: 1'09.061
T3: 1'38.201
T4: 2'02.246
T5: 2'32.410
T6: Again, Forgot to look

 

[Thirdeye]

I ran a few times with some other cars as well, but I forgot to get the T-Times:
Ford FOCUS ST170 '03
Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z Concept '88
RUF CTR2 '96
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII GSR '01

 

[KLR142]

was gonna give this a go... finally free'd up some time for wrs

but its gtmode

Jeez Curtis... What do you do when you aren't racing? Only play in Arcade mode? Leave your cars stock in GT Mode? Come ON! You can't call yourself fast if you can't play around with things. Being as good of a driver as yourself usually makes a good bit more difference than the settings, usually... But seriously man, try and take a minute/hour/days to try and make something work. I really wish it was realistic though, or at least, more like the older GT series games. *sigh* Just drive something stock even, you don't have to race to win, just race to have fun, in any car, try something you've wanted to try but just have been too busy racing in races around GTPlanet... Come on!

Splits from the other day in the Volvo:
T1: 40.307
T2: 1'26.260
T3: 2'04.755
T4: 2'36.781
T5: 3'17.480
T6: 3'58.109

Splits in the SRT4 so far(5-10 laps in over the past couple of days), my settings, have yet to try out your's, Rob:
T1: 35.667
T2: 1'15.607
T3: 1'46.749
T4: 2'12.756
T5: 2'45.471
T6: 3'19.996

**** to those, I'm getting my 800+HP Supra out of the box 👍

Hmm, maybe I'll whip out my trusty old steed from week 7, when I first won in D3(my second week in the wrs... 👍 ). Fight your Supra to the death... Have you put down some laps yet? T-times? Dangit, I just went and looked, and I don't have the car I used back then! I was using my friend's game save back then, I didn't even have my own yet... But, I just went and bought it and can maybe use some of my settings that I posted back then to my advantage in that thread... We'll see!

Jerome, I thought you were going to update the leaderboard? Hahaha good luck with that man, I wouldn't think about it really, there's WAY too much going on. How about I do this:

Volvo 245GLT T2, T4, T6 splits:
KLR142: 1'26.260 2'36.781 3'58.109
Ballstothewall: 1'28.346 2'39.349 4'01.082
ROB 254R: 1'31.413 2'44.604 4'07.659

My advice to EVERYONE, is make sure you're using as MUCH of the allowed track as possible. That means, EVERYTHING when there aren't any rumbles, as long as it's pavement of course.


I was thinking about running the CTR2 as well, I'll have to take it around a couple times to see what it's like.

I'm using the DS2 right now, should try out the DFP in the Volvo at the very least later in the week.

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

even thou it only takes a minute or so to tinker with the settings, id much rather waste that minute on doing a lap... haha retarded, i know
~and if parts are required to be bought on any given week, there goes another 5 minutes on the track i'd rather use towards lapping

i usually spend 2 hours on a combo at max now days, nothing close to my first 25 weeks or so ~ mayb 10+ hours in the week

~and by spending only 2 hours on a combo, i can do many different series
~so ive been doing the 4 other series im in, tons of combos to choose from

 

[KLR142]

Fine fine, whatever :-p. Just hop in an R8 and do an oil change, then drive it. I think that's all you need to do to it...? I know there is at least one car like that, that you'd be competitive in, if you're wanting to just go for first, not necessarily fun. I stay away from the rest of the forums, cause I know I'd get sucked into running everything else... I definitely don't have time for that.

 

[MisterWeary]

I've been trying to get a clean lap with a fully tricked out Cobra with no TCS....farout!!!!! I can get to T4 fairly safely and most of the way to T5 but from there she just gets all tail happy!!! It's really fun but super frustrating.

 

[Casio]

I was wondering, but it's probably too late to change now. Since we're running this over 2 weeks, how about we run the chicaneless track on the second week?

Personally, this track is starting to give me the ****s now, too many options, I can't settle down on the one combo, Argh!

 

[holl01]

haha, le sarthe chickane less puts too much presure on the corner after the long straight, ur thinking, ok dont stuff up the corner, dont stuff up the corner, for like over a minute, ultaimtely u will stuff it up.

at least the chickane section breaks up the long boring straight, so ur idea is invalid casio imo, due to boredom

 

[steven]

OK, final splits for me in the '54. Got a lap time that I think is about all I can squeeze out of her.
Now it's time to wheel out black beauty.

that's funny. is it black (obviously your rz) or red (says the sig) you like?
any rim favorite? i dress my cars with the enkei 6's.
i really hope cyril is going to make a class for normal/super/concept cars. let's see if i can beat your rz with my audi le mans (it's built for the track).
every time i make a clean lap it's a bit quicker than the previous one, so i'm glad this is a two week wrs.

 

[Tedehur]

10 times already submitted, from 4 different racers.
...and I'll indeed try to make as many different categories as possible, provided I at least 3 times for that category have been submitted.

I agree with Dan about the unchicaned version of the track. We'll be using it in the future, but that'll be with a specific combo, not this week.
For the people who can't concentrate on one combo because of the huge amount of cars allowed, here are some categories :

• LMP 900 (900 kg prototypes, like the Audi R8 or the Peskys)
• Volvo 240 GLT
• J-GTC race cars
• super cars (Nardo, Saleen, Tommy kaira)
• fully modded road cars > 600hp (Supras, 300ZX, AMG SL55...)
• fully modded road cars < 600hp (Focus, Lancer, Impreza, SRT-4...)
• Classic road cars (300SL, E-type)
• Classic race cars (GT40, Chaparral)

 

[bigrew]

Oh

So we can submit multiple times with different cars?

 

[fasj6418]

10 times already submitted, from 4 different racers.
...and I'll indeed try to make as many different categories as possible, provided I at least 3 times for that category have been submitted.

I agree with Dan about the unchicaned version of the track. We'll be using it in the future, but that'll be with a specific combo, not this week.
For the people who can't concentrate on one combo because of the huge amount of cars allowed, here are some categories :

• LMP 900 (900 kg prototypes, like the Audi R8 or the Peskys)
• Volvo 240 GLT
• J-GTC race cars
• super cars (Nardo, Saleen, Tommy kaira)
• fully modded road cars > 600hp (Supras, 300ZX, AMG SL55...)
• fully modded road cars < 600hp (Focus, Lancer, Impreza, SRT-4...)
• Classic road cars (300SL, E-type)
• Classic race cars (GT40, Chaparral)

interesting... so the volvo got its own class? what&#180;s the name? funeral car class?

well, i laugh a lot when i read that, just after LMP cars and before JGTC...

i&#180;m having all kinds of trouble setting a clean lap, but now i think i got one with the audi and also one with the bentley, so its a start.

this combo is so fun, i could put 30 plus hours in it... if i had time to do this...

my final car list is:

Audi R8
Bentley Speed 8
Mazda 787b
Pescarolo Playstation

too bad that i can&#180;t run the peugeut 905... it has 851hp after the oil change...

which raises a question, how are we going to know how many Hp&#180;s a car has, since the replay screen only shows the number without oil changes?

so in some cars you can put turbo stage 3, oil change and still shows only 850 in the replay screen... i&#180;m a little lost on that one...

lets say, car A has 780HP, with turbo stage 3 it goes to 846 and that&#180;s the number it will show in the replay screen... but after that you can still put an oil change and get 890 or so... does anybody else noticed that too?

i also hate with all my guts the first chicane of the lap and that fu****** 🤬 fast right hander after T1... so hard to do it fast and clean...

 

[holl01]

interesting... so the volvo got its own class? what´s the name? funeral car class?

well, i laugh a lot when i read that, just after LMP cars and before JGTC...

i´m having all kinds of trouble setting a clean lap, but now i think i got one with the audi and also one with the bentley, so its a start.

this combo is so fun, i could put 30 plus hours in it... if i had time to do this...

my final car list is:

Audi R8
Bentley Speed 8
Mazda 787b
Pescarolo Playstation

too bad that i can´t run the peugeut 905... it has 851hp after the oil change...

which raises a question, how are we going to know how many Hp´s a car has, since the replay screen only shows the number without oil changes?

so in some cars you can put turbo stage 3, oil change and still shows only 850 in the replay screen... i´m a little lost on that one...

lets say, car A has 780HP, with turbo stage 3 it goes to 846 and that´s the number it will show in the replay screen... but after that you can still put an oil change and get 890 or so... does anybody else noticed that too?

i also hate with all my guts the first chicane of the lap and that fu****** 🤬 fast right hander after T1... so hard to do it fast and clean...

yeah, well the peagot 205 i dont think would be faster than the other cars anyway due to its emabarrisingly long time span between gear changes, its almost a joke actually.

i havent had much time to try other cars, hotboi, quit winging, and race the damn combo use my settings if u have to

 

[oldphart]

Really bummed that I can't do this race
Bummed my right knee up on Monday and haven't been able to bend it

Nice call on the Anniv. Cyril 👍
Watched Steve McQueen in La Mans this week

Don't know how long this thing is gonna keep me out of the cockpit

 

[Tyre King]

Without any location info I can't give you places to purchase anything to help you mate, But I do have a lot of experience with Bum knee's.

I have suffered since leaving the forces from screwed up ligaments and tendons. Plus arthritis(sp) in both knees.

Now the usual, is to rub in loads of deep heat, and then put a neoprene sports brace on for at least 8 hrs.

If that doesn't help, I get the TENS (Transdermal Electical Nerve Stimulation) machine out and use that for 3 x 15 min sessions.
You can purchase them over the counter in most pharmacies now, or even get them from Argos (if you are in GB that is) for under £20.

Works brilliantly, by over-stimulating the pain carrying nerves, which fools the brain into ignoring the input, and therefore killing the pain.

No drugs, no side-effects!

Pity it doesn't help my back as well as it does my knees! lol

Anyway, sorry for the OT guys, but hope it helps Oldphart

Neil

 

[SHigSpeed]

interesting... so the volvo got its own class? what´s the name? funeral car class?

well, i laugh a lot when i read that, just after LMP cars and before JGTC...

i´m having all kinds of trouble setting a clean lap, but now i think i got one with the audi and also one with the bentley, so its a start.

this combo is so fun, i could put 30 plus hours in it... if i had time to do this...

my final car list is:

Audi R8
Bentley Speed 8
Mazda 787b
Pescarolo Playstation

too bad that i can´t run the peugeut 905... it has 851hp after the oil change...

which raises a question, how are we going to know how many Hp´s a car has, since the replay screen only shows the number without oil changes?

so in some cars you can put turbo stage 3, oil change and still shows only 850 in the replay screen... i´m a little lost on that one...

lets say, car A has 780HP, with turbo stage 3 it goes to 846 and that´s the number it will show in the replay screen... but after that you can still put an oil change and get 890 or so... does anybody else noticed that too?

i also hate with all my guts the first chicane of the lap and that fu****** 🤬 fast right hander after T1... so hard to do it fast and clean...

I have, and I was wondering if anyone else had too. For example, the Nissan R89C starts off at 920 hp or so, but "worn out" you can get it down to 850. Don't try, it's not fast. No top speed and the handling is evil.

Also, the Peugeot has the best power to weight ratio but the shifting is glacial, like the Cien. You'll spend 30 seconds a lap with no power with that thing so it's not competitive.

I guess on the power, we'll have to trust in the honor system.

-SHig

 

[Jump_Ace]

Jerome, I thought you were going to update the leaderboard?

I was going to but you see there's this girl.....
So my weekend went Bye Bye Boyzzz....My apologies everyone. LB is updated, however if your splits aren't right (which is a good chance as this LB is INSANE to update! AAHH!!!) Shoot me a pm and I'll get it on there. Limited on time today...

Jerome

 

[TheWizard]

Well, in regard to the power shown on the replay screen, I explained it so many times it's not even funny anymore

So, I will just point you to the guide about power I made, for the 100th time, and I am sure this time also it will be disregarded, but it's worth a try

Here it is: Quick Clarification About Power/Torque Figures and Units.

I have done thorough testings to find those things out, so they are backed up with data.

If you are too lazy to read it all, suffice to say this:

The power shown on the replay screen is the power that the car, with the current mods, will have once its engine is completely shot (8500+ miles) with Clean Oil.

I hope this helps clarify the power thing.

And, since it doesn't hurt, I will say this again, also: the power shown on the small screen in the Settings is in PS, not in HP.

Therefore, we have been running and we always will be running in PS units, at least in GT Mode.

The Wizard.

 

[KLR142]

A GIRL!? ooooooh! That's fine mate, 👍, lol. Sweetness!

HP wise, this is how we did it in the Week 7 race, I don't know if you want to do it this way, or by the other way where you go by what it says in the tuning screen, before you hit the start button to see the graph...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=63872&page=3

Holy cow that thread is long, I'm trying to find my old settings... Anywho, this thing is crazy with the stock differentials in it, it turns BETTER, ON the gas!!! That's going to take some time to get used to...

EDIT: I just saw your post Wizard, so you swy we DO go by the little graph, that gets bigger in the tuning screen when you push start, like we did in week 7? Cool cool, I'll see if I can eek more power outta my '02 M-Spec Nur...

 

[SHigSpeed]

Yo Wiz,

Thanks for the re-clarification. This still does not answer the question that Francisco brought up. It IS possible to run a higher than spec power car and not be able to DQ it. You could always do an analyzer compare but I don't know if the resolution is there to notice a 50 HP difference at 850.

Hmmm...

-SHig

 

[TheWizard]

Yo Wiz,

Thanks for the re-clarification. This still does not answer the question that Francisco brought up. It IS possible to run a higher than spec power car and not be able to DQ it. You could always do an analyzer compare but I don't know if the resolution is there to notice a 50 HP difference at 850.

Hmmm...

-SHig

Well, I assume the power drop due to high mileage is a constant percentage of the initial power of the vehicle.

Therefore, it is possible for the moderator or other person that's trying to check somebody's replay to tune the vehilce he/she was using to specs within the rules, run a lap, save the replay, see the power shown on the replay, and if the power shown on this somebody's replay we are trying to check is higher than the one just seen as per the rules, his/her lap is out/illegal.

Simple enough.

For example, you know that the Audi R8 can only be fitted with an oil change, in order to stay within 850 HP (PS) in the small graph in the setting screen (which is what we go by). And you also know that it has 834 HP (PS) after an oil change, correct?

And you also know that in the replay screen it shows 7 hundred and something HP (can't remember the exact figure).

Therefore, if somebody's replay shows more than the 7 hundred and something HP, therefore you know that the initial power of the vehicle was more than 834 HP. And you also know that being more than 834 HP, in this case, means being more than 850 HP, as it is not possible to get the Audi R8 at a power higher than 834 HP but lower than 850 HP. Therefore, you can easily come to the conclusion that the lap is illegal.

Hope this helps.

The Wizard.

 

[SHigSpeed]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Kinda, but not. My example was the Nissan R89C. Small graph shows 920 hp IIRC when new, don't know what the replay shows but lets say is shows 840 or so. I know that a night of B-Spec on the test track at 3x makes the small graph show 850 hp or so on this particular car.

It IS possible to race it legal, but I don't believe you can tell by the "documentation" whether or not the driver had oilchange refreshed the engine or not prior to the submitted lap.

Also, on the Audi specifically, you can add a Stage 3 turbo to it without an initial oil change to get over 850 hp, BUT worn out it will drop below 850. So the saavy driver can possibly do just that, and only do competition laps when the car is at or below 850. The sleazy driver will drive it at 850+ and submit a lap that can only be discredited by careful and difinitive inspection by analyzer, which may or may not be easy to do depending on actual power difference above 850.

Now the one thing that has yet to be shown is whether a car which is upgraded and worn to 850 is just as fast as a car which is not upgraded and is at 850 out of the box. The 850 hp that the worn R89C has sure seems feeble in comparison to the 835-850 of others, though aero drag may be much greater on the hardop prototype. Too bad the downforce isn't comparably higher.

I'll have to test this by running a worn modded R8 vs a fresh oil changed R8 at the test track (assuming I can get to the same power level).

In the end though, the fast driver will surely beat the slow conniving driver anyway! :^)

-SHig

 

[KLR142]

OYE! And I thought the SRT-4 was a beast! I hopped my '02 M-Spec N&#252;r with the Amuse Original Turbo kit and the Amuse Suspension kit, and it's even more insane! Erratic handling, lotsa power, kinda scary when on the brakes, and yeah. It's awesome. So awesome, that after an hour+ of tinkering with suspension and trying to get a clean lap, I have NOT had any success! Well, maybe one clean lap, but not fast!

Oh, and I was able to eek out 16 more HP(861 vs 845) while maintaining only 849 power in the enlarged graph in the tuning menu.

 

[TheWizard]

What you say makes sense, SHigSpeed.

But there is also a quick and easy "fix" to this: declaring illegal any such vehicles or mod options that would put them to 850+ HP.

There just isn't any way to check if the driver was being honest and upped the car to 850+ with some certain mods and oil change, and then submitted a time that was done only when the power of the vehicle started to drop to 850 HP or below.

It just isn't checkable. And I know we all race with the spirit of trusting each other and being honest, but we can not run the risk, either, can we?

So, if the rule says anything below 850 HP goes, then only the vehicles or the mods that would place such vehicles to 850 HP or below are to be used. Anything else should be out of the picture regardless of oil or engine wear. We just cannot control or check that.

The only thing we can check is the power shown on the replay. And by that we know we can check what the original power of the vehicle used for the lap was: mod the vehicle yourself, do a lap, and see if the power shown on the other replay is greater, lower or equal to the one shown on your replay.

If lower or equal, then ok.
Else, illegal.

This is how I see it.

The Wizard.

 

[SHigSpeed]

Wiz,

Perfect way to control things, though it does rule out a bit of creativity. I really wanted that Nissan to be fast, but it's not. So far my fastest laps are using a legal (by your new definition) car in prime condition, and others are much faster using a car with 20 less HP. Also, I've tried a LOT of different combinations of mods and wear and nothing even comes close so it may be a moot point anyway.

Oh well, drive on!

-SHig

 

[TheWizard]

Well, I just thought of something.

There might be a problem even with checking the original power of the vehicle using the one shown on the replay.

Example:

Take a car that is "legal" before an oil change (say it has 840 HP).
Now take the same car and perform an oil change. It will end up having more than 850 HP, for sure.

Now, the power shown on the replay, since it is the one the car will have with engine wear but no oil wear (new oil) - in other words, it is the power the car will have at 8500+ miles, after performing an oil change on the car, at that same mileage - will be identical in both cars. I am almost certain of this.

Why? Because you are not adding any mod that permanently modifies the power of the vehicle, you are only changing the oil and giving the car a fresh start.

Therefore, my conclusion is: same amount of power shown on the replay, but different amounts of power at the time the lap was performed.

Another direct consequence of this is: you could mod your vehicle - with parts - to a power lower than 850 HP, and then take the same vehicle, put the same mods, and then perform an oil change. The power shown at the end of the replay will be the same, in both cases. Only, one case is legal, the other one is not.

How do we fix this?

The Wizard.

 

[fasj6418]

Well, in regard to the power shown on the replay screen, I explained it so many times it's not even funny anymore

So, I will just point you to the guide about power I made, for the 100th time, and I am sure this time also it will be disregarded, but it's worth a try

Here it is: Quick Clarification About Power/Torque Figures and Units.

I have done thorough testings to find those things out, so they are backed up with data.

If you are too lazy to read it all, suffice to say this:

The power shown on the replay screen is the power that the car, with the current mods, will have once its engine is completely shot (8500+ miles) with Clean Oil.

I hope this helps clarify the power thing.

And, since it doesn't hurt, I will say this again, also: the power shown on the small screen in the Settings is in PS, not in HP.

Therefore, we have been running and we always will be running in PS units, at least in GT Mode.

The Wizard.

big thanks for the link, i must have missed since its no longer in your sig...

so i might have to try some cars just to see the least HP possible with them... if i can get a minolta with 850 HP would be awesome, i love that car, and it would be under the rules... also the sauber might be a way to go...

i think from now on i´ll change to PS just to stop this madness about power...

 

[KLR142]

Oh, Jerome, I just noticed that the SRT-4 times don't make sense... Here're Rob's fastest splits:
T1 - 0'35.873
T2 - 1'15.917
T3 - 1'47.844
T4 - 2'14.454
T5 - 2'47.143
T6 - 3'22.242

And mine are mixed up starting with T4:
T1: 35.667
T2: 1'15.607
T3: 1'46.749
T4: 2'12.756
T5: 2'45.471
T6: 3'19.996

 

[TheWizard]

big thanks for the link, i must have missed since its no longer in your sig...

No problem 👍

And also, don't take it personal when I said that it was the 100th time I was explaining it. It was not referred to you, or anybody, for that matter. I was only kidding (hence all the smilies).

I should probably keep it in my signature, but it would also be super cool if Cyril or some other moderator would put it in the WRS part of the forum. I think it would be more useful "here", than where it is now, since we are always talking about power and ways to check things.

Just an idea.

What bothers me, though, is what I said in my previous post. Somebody can be driving the same car and with the same mods as somebody else, but one can have an oil change on top of that, and still show the same amount of power at the end, in the replay.

I wish somebody would come up with a PC replay reader able to get all the information about that particular lap and vehicle. Then, and only then, we would be sure of the legality of a given lap.

Unless somebody has any idea on how to address the issue...

The Wizard.

 

[SHigSpeed]

Well, I just thought of something...

Another direct consequence of this is: you could mod your vehicle - with parts - to a power lower than 850 HP, and then take the same vehicle, put the same mods, and then perform an oil change. The power shown at the end of the replay will be the same, in both cases. Only, one case is legal, the other one is not.

How do we fix this?

The Wizard.

Right... Damn! Oh well, I guess it's down to honest competition again.

Or Draconian Olympic doping scandal type, send in the carbinieri with piss cups and ziplocs spot checks! I can just see it now:

<Loud thud as door is broken in and flash bang grenades and smoke bombs go off>
Officer: GET YOUR HANDS OFF THE DFP AND GET DOWN!!!
holl01 (scrambling to hit the reset button on the PS2): You'll never take me alive!
Officer - throws holl01 to the ground and wrestling the shifter from his hand.
Close-up of holl01's face as the animatronic mask disengages, revealing his control circuitry, proving once and for all that he is, indeed, a humanoid, cybernetic organism sent from the future to destroy the world (of WRS at least).

Heh...

-SHig