GT5 Demo vs SCC

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Biggles
It shouldn't BE in front of you!

I thought you could turn it off in GT5P? You could always run a really slow la,p then upload the ghost to run against. It would stay out of your way, PLUS it would make you feel good every time you beat it!
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I think it will be a little bit easier just to turn it off,like Mario suggest, don't you guys...and i thought that I was the one getting older...:lol::D


P.S. Biggles just for you i suggest that you upload the fatest lap in your country into your ghost option and then it wont bother you after the first turn as you lost sight of it...LOOOOOL:lol::D:banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
Actually, I don't really have a problem with the ghost car. However, I have now put in about 4 hours on the GT5D & it's not that much fun anymore! I'm sure I've never put anything like that much time in running any TT in FC or SCC.

The great thing about SCC is, when you have a game that's only played by ten people, getting a top ten time really isn't that difficult! 👍 ;)
 
Biggles
Actually, I don't really have a problem with the ghost car. However, I have now put in about 4 hours on the GT5D & it's not that much fun anymore! I'm sure I've never put anything like that much time in running any TT in FC or SCC.

The great thing about SCC is, when you have a game that's only played by ten people, getting a top ten time really isn't that difficult! 👍 ;)
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Thats about right:nervous:...LOL i'm right back at it:)👍
But i will make a few more laps in gt5d just to try to re-enter the top hundred...:grumpy:thats how much bad driver i am...:yuck:
 
Alan_G
If you go into the options you can assign the Ghost-On/Ghost-Off to a button.
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Ahh, now that's what I need. Except, I don't see a way to map it to wheel button. I'll look again.

Anyway, I ran for about 90 minutes and I'm slowly coming to terms with it.

1:50.635 / 1:38.889 / 3:29.524 puts me number 26 under my Swiss PAL account. My times in GT leave a lot to be desired I guess. :sick:
 
Damn you Jaisli - that puts you 6 1000ths below my combined time! Now I'm going to have to put in another session. :irked:
 
jjaisli
What does that mean??? What button is 'up'?
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Ok, I was getting worried that you were losing your ability with tech stuff. Apparently, the problem is that you don't call that button "UP".

Ok, so for lack of a better word to name this button ... look at the following image:

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While racing, if you want to check on the ghost, press UP and it will show up. If you don't want to see it, press UP and it will dissapear.

Got it now? 💡
 
arvore
A pad Alan...:guilty:

Did you manage to do your times with DS3??????:banghead::banghead::banghead: :bowdown:
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Yeah, dualshock.

It's a shame we can't look at laptimes from other countries. Would be handy to see. The Ireland leaderboard is not the most competitive at all.

The key to using the Dualshock with this thing is finding a way to handle the (awful) throttle. Once you hit the apex on most corners, immediately get on around 40-50% throttle. Rather than trying to carry more speed into the corner, sacrifice speed-in for hitting the right line, get on the throttle at the apex, and give a big priority to speed out of the corner. Like I said earlier, this is a problem with Dualshock. But you just have to slow-down your increase of the throttle coming to the end of the corner until it's safe to hit 100% throttle. If you try to get the perfect amount of throttle towards the end of the corner, there's a high risk of losing the rear, and wasting the lap!
 
Alan check out these leaderboards so you can get an idea of lap times being done around the world...i reccomend particulary the japanese and aussie boards seem to be the most competitive ones:


EDIT: Links to various leaderboards
Europe and Austrania, New Zeland, in English (use combo box to select Country):
http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/academy/2010/ranking/
Asia (non-Japan):
http://www.gran-turismo.com/hk-zh/pr...t5ttc/ranking/
Japan:
http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/academy/2010/ranking/
North America, USA/Canada/Mexico:
http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gt5ttc/ranking/
Thanks to Hornet_burnout for the formatting
 
The key to using the Dualshock with this thing is finding a way to handle the (awful) throttle. Once you hit the apex on most corners, immediately get on around 40-50% throttle. Rather than trying to carry more speed into the corner, sacrifice speed-in for hitting the right line, get on the throttle at the apex, and give a big priority to speed out of the corner. Like I said earlier, this is a problem with Dualshock. But you just have to slow-down your increase of the throttle coming to the end of the corner until it's safe to hit 100% throttle. If you try to get the perfect amount of throttle towards the end of the corner, there's a high risk of losing the rear, and wasting the lap![/QUOTE]

Thanks for the tips but i am afraid that goes along way from theory to pratice...:sick:
 
update:

normal car - 1'49.784

the tuned remains as it was in day 1 (1'38.161) will only return to it after I consider myself satisfied with the normal car.
 
hi i have seen all you countrys times found loads off my friends times. need help on the official web site were does our country under i have look every cant find any of us from za the ghosts all have good time in my group, which has countrys from all around in it....? my times are ok.... 1.51.116 and 1.38.685 placed 136 in group @ alan i think the problem with the throttle is the same like the brakes i beauly touch the brakes and it is like 400% strong thats my biggest problem i guess...
 
Chilled., I think there's a common leaderboard for all countries not part of the contest (GT Academy), sadly not accessible from the internet (only shows up in the PS3 of the people that have their times on it, like you). I think many people we know from FC (like PiotrB, polish) and SCC (like all you guys from ZA) have their times posted there.
 
jjaisli
It's been said many times but what we need is a game with:

- the graphic richness of GT5
- the FFB and lobby options of SCC
- the bump and surface feedback of F1:CE
- the AI of FC
- the braking feedback of Shift
- the best tracks and cars from all of the above

Not too much to ask for, is it? ;)
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... and ... the physics of netKarPro, iRacing, GPL or LFS. Take your pick.
 
Great news for ZA and all other non-gt academy countries users, the leaderboard where you guys show up is accessible through the internet afterall.

Check it here:

http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/academy/2010/ranking/?board=0&area=60

info courtesy of zabeu, you can check the source here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=123734&page=2

Meanwhile, congrats to ZA players, I see a guy from your country topping the leaderboard (and he is a gtplanet member, although not a SCC player), and copngrats to Piotr for his excellent 5th position! 👍
 
I have to say, it's truly impressive just how fast some of these guys are. I think having a combined time down in the 3:23s, even in the low 3:24s is nothing short of amazing. The top 100 in the combined rankings are really in their own world.
 
1.38.133
1.50.028
3.28.161

Sitting in 40th (combined) in Canada this morning. Would be good enough for 80th in the US, but not even in the top 250 in Japan!

I am leading in the over 85s, Grand Granny Masters category though! 👍

Congrats to GTPDHolland who leads the Australian leaderboards by a full 8 10ths of a sec. & appears to be a few hundredths off the world pace set by a Japanese driver. Those are some crazy fast times - 2.5 secs/lap faster than I can manage. :boggled:

And I would like to report that, in the face of fierce competition, I currently hold the SCC world record for the 355 Berlinetta at Vallelunga!
:cheers:
 
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Thank you GTP Hun got it... yes i hope he can race for our country in next round and hold our flag with the best nation's in the world... For me i will try beat my times will see....
 
1'50.267
1'37.754
3'28.021

hi
im new hear, i had a god day improving my times, i cut 0.2 of my bouth times.

have to say i use a sixaxis, and kinda hate the combination sixaxis+GT5 = sixaxis in my LCD and ps3 out of the window.
fortunatly thats not hapening because i have other games that i like to play :) SCC :)

i have not so much problem with traction as with the stearing. the acceleratin is not good either,
i feel forced to buy a wheel, not that i dont want one, but the games like FC and SCC are a very good exampel how the stearing and acceleration with the cotroler must be. GT5 is just puting the cotroler back in ps one teritory ,:crazy:
 
hi guys
Had a good pratice today.Couldn't just sit and watch how i drop down the list.This morning i was 114 i our region and after some 50 laps i managed to be 64's
normal 1:49:5xx
tuned 1:37:689
IT's insane the lines you have to drive to be fast.
 
jjaisli
I have to say, it's truly impressive just how fast some of these guys are. I think having a combined time down in the 3:23s, even in the low 3:24s is nothing short of amazing. The top 100 in the combined rankings are really in their own world.
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I'm used to being half a dozen seconds off the pace in SCC so to only be around 2 seconds shy of the top guys in a vastly more popular game is satisfying enough for me. I can't help but feel i'm maybe being too cautious with my driving, i'll try and be a bit more aggressive if I fit another session in before christmas day especially with the tuned car. Currently i'm on a 1:51.2 with the stock car and a 1:48.4 with the tuned. I think i can improve on both.
 
new_soul
i feel forced to buy a wheel, not that i dont want one
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Me too. In fact, if the six-axis controlling with GT5p/demo was satisfying, I would be more likely to have bought a wheel already. Doesn't make sense? Being stubborn? I don't think so. I'm making a stand on what I see as a principle.

The steering is more managable for the six-axis int the GT5 demo. However, the throttle is just as bad as Prologue. It is not a controller problem - it's the software. They made it like this. They know what they're doing. I successfully dissected the six-axis throttle problems here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=123717 , in case anyone's interested (especially those pad users who are off the pace, and can't figure out quite why).

It's difficult to openly express one's opinion about this in the main GTP forum without the holy congregation turning on you. But this problem is completely transparent to me. Logitech do an exclusive deal with GT. Logitech wheels cost multiples of PS3 games. So this is a huge, huge conflict of interest.

The GT5 demo competition is released. To be competitive, you need a wheel/pedals setup, because the six-axis throttle is handicapped. So a certain percentage of people will buy a Logitech in order to have a chance of being competitive. And that just stinks. People deem it just a conspiracy theory - well it's business! They're not doing this for fun. This is jobs, money, a successful business. Ok, Yamauchi may have his heart in creating great driving software. But the figures have to add up. And with global economic turmoil around at the moment, they are just as much feeling the financial squeeze as any other company.

Some people were suggesting that the throttle was changed to help pad users or something. Pure bollocks. These guys know what they're doing; hundreds of people working on this for several years, analysing every aspect of driving and technique in great detail. I've explained it all in the link above. So the only question I'm left with is, what other reason would they make this throttle problem for, other to indirectly sell more Logitech gear?


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And I'll just add, the real meat of this is that pad users are losing time on the exit of corners. Just compare the replays of wheel/pedal users and pad users (looking at the throttle dial). Notice how in pad users' laps, the throttle between 75-100 is wildly flicking around with only 6 different increments (explained in my topic above). On the other hand, just look at Yamauchi's own laps!! - at the exit of EVERY corner, he's using that crucial 75-95% throttle to carry speed out. He hits around 75%, and can smoothly squeeze up to around 90% before hitting max throttle. And it just so happens that the most important area of the throttle is the one which pad user's are handicapped on. Garbage.
 
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Alan_G
Me too. In fact, if the six-axis controlling with GT5p/demo was satisfying, I would be more likely to have bought a wheel already. Doesn't make sense? Being stubborn? I don't think so. I'm making a stand on what I see as a principle.

The steering is more managable for the six-axis int the GT5 demo. However, the throttle is just as bad as Prologue. It is not a controller problem - it's the software. They made it like this. They know what they're doing. I successfully dissected the six-axis throttle problems here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=123717 , in case anyone's interested (especially those pad users who are off the pace, and can't figure out quite why).

It's difficult to openly express one's opinion about this in the main GTP forum without the holy congregation turning on you. But this problem is completely transparent to me. Logitech do an exclusive deal with GT. Logitech wheels cost multiples of PS3 games. So this is a huge, huge conflict of interest.

The GT5 demo competition is released. To be competitive, you need a wheel/pedals setup, because the six-axis throttle is handicapped. So a certain percentage of people will buy a Logitech in order to have a chance of being competitive. And that just stinks. People deem it just a conspiracy theory - well it's business! They're not doing this for fun. This is jobs, money, a successful business. Ok, Yamauchi may have his heart in creating great driving software. But the figures have to add up. And with global economic turmoil around at the moment, they are just as much feeling the financial squeeze as any other company.

Some people were suggesting that the throttle was changed to help pad users or something. Pure bollocks. These guys know what they're doing; hundreds of people working on this for several years, analysing every aspect of driving and technique in great detail. I've explained it all in the link above. So the only question I'm left with is, what other reason would they make this throttle problem for, other to indirectly sell more Logitech gear?


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And I'll just add, the real meat of this is that pad users are losing time on the exit of corners. Just compare the replays of wheel/pedal users and pad users (looking at the throttle dial). Notice how in pad users' laps, the throttle between 75-100 is wildly flicking around with only 6 different increments (explained in my topic above). On the other hand, just look at Yamauchi's own laps!! - at the exit of EVERY corner, he's using that crucial 75-95% throttle to carry speed out. He hits around 75%, and can smoothly squeeze up to around 90% before hitting max throttle. And it just so happens that the most important area of the throttle is the one which pad user's are handicapped on. Garbage.
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As some might know, although I mainly drive on pad as Alan, I actually own a wheel (DFP), and I tried to make a comparison after Alan's post. Drived a few laps on the pad and then some laps on the wheel. In both cars.

Although I actually got better times with the pad, this can be easily justified by adaptation and being much more used to the pad. I bet that I will improve my current times on the wheel in the next couple of weeks, just as I got use back to its feeling.

Back on topic, Alan is absolutely right. You definetively get a much better throttle control (and brake for that matter) on the pedals rather than on the pad. Although his conclusion of WHY does this occur may be eventually valid, I tend to not got that far for the moment and I do reckon that even if throttle is linearly mapped on the pad buttons, its very narrow "margin" (the space between fully pressed-unpressed) would also contribute to be much more difficult there to 'fix' the throttle on the exact position in order to get a perfect control.

Alan may state that in SCC this doesn't happen and the throttle button is the same - true! And is lap times prove it! However, if I recall correctly, in SCC you are able to adjuste throttle/brake sensitivity and this fine tune may be reason to it. Can you confirm it?
 
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AlanG, you've got to get rid of the hate. My mother was a very principled woman. And that's a fine thing. But as a result, her average body temperature was 3 degrees hotter than everybody else around her. :lol: Look, there are principles worth fighting for and then there are sixaxis and wheel debates. :) Forget all the conspiracy theories. If you drive a car, a real car, you have a steering wheel. And if you're playing a racing sim, it's simply a more fulfilling, immersive, realistic, arguably more enjoyable and engrossing experience if you use a wheel. That's the bottom line. I don't care if I'm 2 or 3 or 5 seconds per lap slower (or whatever the consensus is :lol:) but I use the wheel because I simply enjoy it a heck of a lot more. That's all that really matters.

If you'd enjoy playing the game with a wheel, than buy a wheel. NOT buying a wheel because you believe (and I'm not saying you're necessarily incorrect) that a larger case of collusion exists between game developers and wheel manufacturers is biting off your nose to spite your face.
 

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