GT5 is better @ 720p

[Tornado]

Conversion in that way doesn't mean much, because GT5 has to do that in 1080p mode anyways.

 

[phil_75]

GT5 is 1280x1080 which is higher than 720p but lower than 1080p.

If your TV is 1080p the PS3 just upscales to 1920x1080
if set to 720p on 1080p the PS3 downscales to 720p and then your TV upscales to 1080p which takes more time and is dependant on how good your TV's scaler is.

One factor is that 720p mode uses 4xAA which is clearer than 2xQAA of 1080p mode

The clearest picture in actual gameplay would be a native 720p TV with PS3 set to output 720p

Photomode which gives higher post processing would be better in 1080p on a 1080p TV

 

[Tornado]

if set to 720p on 1080p the PS3 downscales to 720p and then your TV upscales to 1080p which takes more time and is dependant on how good your TV's scaler is.

Nothing is downscaled. If you set your PS3 to display at 720p, it renders content at 720p. It doesn't render content at 1080p and then downscale it.

 

[phil_75]

Nothing is downscaled. If you set your PS3 to display at 720p, it renders content at 720p. It doesn't render content at 1080p and then downscale it.

No it renders at 1280x1080 and downscales to 1280x720 I'm sure?

 

[Gedi69]

So if it's better at 720'then why is it a bluray disc, hey let's watch a bluray on 720 as it's better!!! Lol omg what are people like

 

[Punknoodle]

So if it's better at 720'then why is it a bluray disc, hey let's watch a bluray on 720 as it's better!!! Lol omg what are people like

I don't get why people think just because something is on a bluray disc it has to be 1080p - the disc is just a large storage medium. The fact that movies are put on there in 1080p has nothing to do with the disc, except that it can fit the video files and deliver the correct bandwidth to play them as opposed to the smaller DVDs.

It also has nothing to do with games, games are rendered, not displayed. On the disc they are just a bunch of files that the PS3 then uses to render graphics that are displayed on your screen, at whatever resolution the game is designed to run at, then scaled for your TV.

A lot of PS3 games aren't 1080p you know...

 

[Villain]

After reviewing all of the photos, comparisons, and evidence I've come to a conclusion: I don't care enough about the nit picky details. The game looks fine.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

For the people who have a 720p tv like me, try to set picture setting on flicker reduction. Much better that way on MY tv.

Strange thing is gt5p looked way better when upscaled to 1080p, but not on gt5..on my tv anyway

 

[liQster]

Nothing is downscaled. If you set your PS3 to display at 720p, it renders content at 720p. It doesn't render content at 1080p and then downscale it.

mby i don´t get it, but if the game has an other native resolution than 1080p/720p the ps3 HAS to convert it down/up !?

f.e. if you watch a bluray which has native 1080p and you set your ps3 to 720p the content must be converted somehow. please explain it to me more detailed if i´m wrong :x

*edit*

or just send me a link to a hifi forum where it´s explained

 

[TenEightyOne]

EDIT: Ignore this post... I blew my own sarcasm meter...

 

[Tornado]

No it renders at 1280x1080 and downscales to 1280x720 I'm sure?

There is no reason to render the graphics that way. If your PS3 was set to display at 720p, it is far more beneficial to render the content at 720p than do it at 1280x1080 and then downscale it. It takes less resources, and causes less of a drag on the system. Those fewer resources used is what allows the 720p mode to have better AA settings.

The only reason you would set it to downscale is if you were streaming content.

mby i don´t get it, but if the game has an other native resolution than 1080p/720p the ps3 HAS to convert it down/up !?

No. Graphics rendering is different from video playback. Graphics rendering doesn't have a native resolution. Videos do.

I can play the original Doom with the graphics rendered at 1080p and have it look fine. But if I took a video of Doom recorded at its regular resolution (320x200) and upscaled it to 1080p it would look terrible.

f.e. if you watch a bluray which has native 1080p and you set your ps3 to 720p the content must be converted somehow. please explain it to me more detailed if i´m wrong :x

Blu Ray movies are prerecorded data stored to a disc. In that case the image is converted/downscaled, but that is a completely different situation.







Okay, think of it this way:
Graphics rendering is like drawing a picture. I can draw that picture to take up an entire canvas, or the entire side of a building, or I can draw that picture to take up a sheet of paper.

Video playback is like taking a photograph of that picture. I can make that picture wallet sized, or I can have it blown up to the size of a poster board.


The image quality of the photograph will suffer if I have it shrunk or increased, but the quality of the original picture will be the same no matter how large I originally draw it as.

 

[SmileyOr1]

I have been playing it on a 1080P Sony Bravia 40" TV with the XMB setting to match. It looks great and there have been no screen tears or any anomolies.

What some may see is the difference in how well their systems (PS3's) are able to output the video signal and how well their individual TV's may be able to render the images. A lower quality 60hz vs 120hz vs 240hz sampling TV may not be able to keep up as well as a high end model. An older PS3 may not be at it's peak. Maybe the video card within it is not at it's peak (or overheats).

I know computer video cards can have driver issues taht can cause one game to play poorly compared to a different game. These consoles are supposed to be identical, but may have their ups and downs

 

[LeeC2202]

I have been doing alot of testing and looking around. i have come to the conclusion that GT5 runs better in 720p. there are many sites that have also found this to be true. look on these sites and click on the pics... you will see that GT5 @ 720p is sharper and clear:

See the Gages here:Click on the pics to enlarge http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-gt5-time-trial-blog-entry

See the depth and sharpness of colors here: Scroll down on this forum to see pics: http://www.psu.com/forums/threads/245650-GT5-Experiment-720p-better

/Fixed.

Well done for failing at fixing.

If you actually read the post, he clearly said "i have come to the conclusion that GT5 runs better in 720p". Note "runs better", not "looks better".

The game has been proven to "run better" at 720p, on numerous tech sites, so what exactly were you fixing?

 

[sk0pe]

I bet the people having problems are playing with 50hz tv that can't keep up with gaming images in general.

You need at least 100hz for gaming. 600hz Plasma seems to be optimal.

 

[chris78cpr]

I tried this and i have to say on my 1080P Sony LED tv 1080p is by far the clear winner.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The game has been proven to "run better" at 720p, on numerous tech sites, so what exactly were you fixing?

Better, in most terms associated with video games, means sharper and faster.

There's no doubt that 1080p is better as it's a higher resolution... if your VGA can cope with that.

1080p generally runs faster framerates too - despite outputting more pixels it's doing half the AA...

 

[Capt_Hick]

I'm glad someone fixed it for him...

That is just a lie lol. There is no need to look around at different websites for "screenshots" if you have your own 1080p TV to compare on.

I assure you it looks better in 1080p.Get yourself a good TV.

Did you even read your own article.?

Results were fairly similar: the same low of 52FPS, though the torn frame count elevated to around 12 per cent of the system's output. Overall, this seems to be in keeping with the approximate performance level that we saw in GT5 Prologue in much the same conditions. Whether it will be improved in the final game out next year remains to be seen

You basing framerate results of an Alpha version of the game LOL That isn't judging what it looks like in photomode etc. Please don't post this crap in future.

What are you talking about? Dude what kind of P.O.S. T.V. are you using? My $2,000 Westinghouse LCD 1080p TV certaintly doesn't suck. GT5 does run better at 720p. The only PS3 game that runs at full 1080p is MGS4. When you see the 720p,1080i, and 1080p on the back of the game all it means is that it just supports it, not runs in full 1080p. This is true with pretty much every game for PS3. Play it in 720p and it looks better than 1080p

 

[Tornado]

MGS4 runs at XGA. Not 1080p.

 

[GTI_mkV]

Someone needs to "Pepsi challenge" the OP.

Set GT5 up on 720p / 1080p - switching it up 10 times using different cars/tracks. If he can call out which one is which resolution every time - then I will agree one is better than the other.

But, if it's not obvious 100% of the time - then I really don't care...

 

[phil_75]

I bet the people having problems are playing with 50hz tv that can't keep up with gaming images in general.

You need at least 100hz for gaming. 600hz Plasma seems to be optimal.

What?

Switching all gimmicks and enhancements OFF gives the best picture!

100, 200, 600hz is the worst offender as it introduces lag (the time from pressing button to actually doing something on screen.

Put your TV in Game or PC mode as this is why its there, it bypasses unwanted processing.

Find your TV in here and check out best settings or read up on picture enhancements!
www.hdtvtest.co.uk

From review of latest Panasonic:
Console Gaming: Compared to a lag-free CRT monitor, the Panasonic TX-P42G30 lagged by only around 24ms in the [Game] picture mode, and indeed, the TXP42G30 provided a highly responsive gaming experience with almost no delay inbetween the user and the game world on screen.

Tip: Put Rockband on and measure lag with it on and off!

 

[phil_75]

MGS4 runs at XGA. Not 1080p.

It sure does!

I thinlk u were right about 720 mode too! My bad!

 

[BlackIce90]

1080p is obviously better, you need a better TV if you think 720p is better. I don't know what people are saying about FPS drop with 1080p.... since i got this game in December, I did not have one problem with it....... Picture is 300% clear on my 40 inch LED TV. No rough edges except for shadows and smoke (PD's fault). Slap on the face to orginal poster and pat on the back to the rest of you who think 1080p is better. Solution: GET A BETTER TV!!

 

[TeddyBear-420]

1080p is obviously better, you need a better TV if you think 720p is better. I don't know what people are saying about FPS drop with 1080p.... since i got this game in December, I did not have one problem with it....... Picture is 300% clear on my 40 inch LED TV. No rough edges except for shadows and smoke (PD's fault). Slap on the face to orginal poster and pat on the back to the rest of you who think 1080p is better. Solution: GET A BETTER TV!!

LOOK AT THESE PICTURES, Which look better to you? which is blurry?
720p

1080p

The stitching across the dash and rev counter, (both the in car rev counter numbers, and the GT HUD Rev counter) are the two most obvious points to look at here.

720p

1080p

 

[liQster]

There is no reason to render the graphics that way. If your PS3 was set to display at 720p, it is far more beneficial to render the content at 720p than do it at 1280x1080 and then downscale it. It takes less resources, and causes less of a drag on the system. Those fewer resources used is what allows the 720p mode to have better AA settings.

The only reason you would set it to downscale is if you were streaming content.


No. Graphics rendering is different from video playback. Graphics rendering doesn't have a native resolution. Videos do.

I can play the original Doom with the graphics rendered at 1080p and have it look fine. But if I took a video of Doom recorded at its regular resolution (320x200) and upscaled it to 1080p it would look terrible.


Blu Ray movies are prerecorded data stored to a disc. In that case the image is converted/downscaled, but that is a completely different situation.







Okay, think of it this way:
Graphics rendering is like drawing a picture. I can draw that picture to take up an entire canvas, or the entire side of a building, or I can draw that picture to take up a sheet of paper.

Video playback is like taking a photograph of that picture. I can make that picture wallet sized, or I can have it blown up to the size of a poster board.


The image quality of the photograph will suffer if I have it shrunk or increased, but the quality of the original picture will be the same no matter how large I originally draw it as.

thx think i got it

 

[Tornado]

I don't know what people are saying about FPS drop with 1080p.

People are saying that there is an FPS drop (and increased screen tearing) when the game is in 1080p mode. Mostly because there is. Not much of one, but it is there.

 

[TenEightyOne]

People are saying that there is an FPS drop (and increased screen tearing) when the game is in 1080p mode. Mostly because there is. Not much of one, but it is there.

I examined with interest the stats in the Eurogamer article you linked in another thread... that seems to demonstrate a greater FPS drop overall with 720p (@ x4 AA) than at 1080p (@ x2 AA).

Admittedly they found more demonstrable tearing with 1080p!

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

720p offers more AA, 1080p offers less, but offers a more precise and clear image.
Menu looks way better in 1080p as well.

 

[Ferrari_1996]

Can you run GT5 at 1080i?

 

[Ferrari_1996]

Also my TV isn't 1080p but 1080p is selected in the ps3 menu. So what resolution am i viewing? I think my TV supports 1080i but not 1080p.

 

[Ferrari_1996]

1366 X 768 is the resolution of my TV, what does that mean? Am i better off with 720p? Please Reply.