GT5P Lab Records and G25.

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Hi. I have the G25 for few days now. It's an amazing wheel and it definitely worth it's money. There is just one thing that bothers me. Is it possible to reach the lab records that are made with the Gamepad?

For example, I'm second (Pathaway) on Eiger with the Mitsubishi Lancer IX/Tuned (Standard Physics with no Aids), but when I try to drive with the G25 on the same settings I'm like 4 seconds slower.

Now, as I have this amazing wheel I always drive on Pro Physics with no Aids. I know I'm new to Driving Wheels and I have more time to get used to it.

So, my question is: Is it possible to reach the lap records made with the Gamepad using the G25 (especially when using the clutch and the H-Shifter)?

Thanks.
 
First, as you stated, I would say you can't fully reach your better "pad" records in only few days using (or more practicing) the wheel.

Second, it seems to me (not sure about this guess) that you want to compare standard time with pad vs pro time with wheel. Even with the pad, it will be way difficult to get standard time in pro settings.

Now, you will no doubt beat your pad time with the G25 (or wheel) one day or other, assuming you compare same settings (standard or pro). Maybe you should also revise your cars settings as driving with the wheel should afford you better "feelings" and, very important, smooth in your driving.

Regarding clutch and H-shifter, I read somewhere that you can be quickest than the sequential simulated in the game when shifting so it seems to allow better acceleration when shifting. Someone could confirm as I don't have G25 (only DFP here)?
 
yes you can reach better times with the G25 as long as you have alot of experience with it. like Dolp said a few days isnt enough time to really get the feel that alot of the wheel drivers have. but with the G25 yes you can accelerate faster as long as the clutch and H-Shifter is engaged and you have good timing and coordination.
 
Not very realistic then. In real life a good automatic box (DSG for example) shifts faster than any human.

I'm also curious as to how you feel the bite point.
 
Mad Matt
Not very realistic then. In real life a good automatic box (DSG for example) shifts faster than any human.

I'm also curious as to how you feel the bite point.
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It's nothing to do with how quick it changes gear - it's more to do with slipping the clutch and keeping the revs up. You can't feel the bite on the G25 tho - I don't like it for this reason and also cos the gearstick feels like a floppy toy thing.
 
Yep, I'm not using my wheel (G25) until I'm way way better with it. I'm nowhere near as fast with the wheel as with the controller. I can use the joystick about 95% as smooth as the wheel. I'm going to buy a DS controller so who knows maybe that'll be even better as the Sixaxis is pretty cheesy. I do notice sometime it's actually faster to do certain things, some chicane's for instance with the dpad, just flips in and out nicely.

Driving the F1 2007 is pretty funny with the dpad.

Hopefully in time I'll be faster with the wheel as I really don't want a $300.00+ wheel sitting there just lookin' pretty. :rolleyes: 'Cept for the 1000m Sprint where the controller is way faster. 👍
 
It's not about gearstick is floppy toy or you can't feel the clutch biting,it's just that when clutch is used,you have to know how to drive a car.That way the game become to driving!👍
 
Sod using the H Shifter its to sloppy and awkward :yuck:, I use the paddle shifters behind the wheel :), no need to let off the accelerator and you can rapidly change up and down gears.

The key is to just keep practising, when I first used my G25 I wanted to re-list back on ebay I thought it was SH#T but after a few weeks I am getting the hang of it. Hopefully I will soon be putting in more consistant and faster times.👍

The SIXAXIS is now reduntant, as far as playing GT5 PROLOGUE with it anyway.
 
RUFin
It's not about gearstick is floppy toy or you can't feel the clutch biting,it's just that when clutch is used,you have to know how to drive a car.That way the game become to driving!👍
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Trust me I know how to drive a manual car in real life - the problem with the G25 is it's absolutely nothing like a real clutch or gearstick.
 
P3nT4gR4m
Trust me I know how to drive a manual car in real life - the problem with the G25 is it's absolutely nothing like a real clutch or gearstick.
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It's a lot more like a real clutch and shifter then the x or square button. But I do know what you mean. The shifter is very cheap feeling. I felt the same way at first. I thought the shifter should be stiffer, but after going out and driving my car around, I realized that my car goes into gear with almost no effort also. So it really doesn't bother me anymore.
 
P3nT4gR4m
Trust me I know how to drive a manual car in real life - the problem with the G25 is it's absolutely nothing like a real clutch or gearstick.
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Its as close as you can get for $300. The shifter does feel a bit cheap, but I mean...its a game. The G25 does a good job of at least allowing you to simulate a clutch and H shifter in GT5. Im happy with it (and yes I drive a manual in real life)
 
I also use the paddle shifters. I bought the G25 mainly for the improved wheel and pedal feel. As far as wheel vs. controller, I know several fast GT4 DS2 controller drivers such as Sphinx, Mr. P and arora are changing from controller to wheel due to the changes in physics with GT5P and are running faster with the wheel.

So it sounds like you might just need some practice, throttle control and small steering inputs are likely your main culprits, not the clutch or H shifter. But just one person's opinion.
 
djs87
Its as close as you can get for $300. The shifter does feel a bit cheap, but I mean...its a game. The G25 does a good job of at least allowing you to simulate a clutch and H shifter in GT5. Im happy with it (and yes I drive a manual in real life)
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Yeah I don't deny that, I just don't think it's my cup of tea. Still don't regret shelling out the extra bucks for the G25 tho, the wheel is awesome and the brake and accelerator pedals are wicked. I'll probably give the h-shift another try at some point but I'm having way too much fun right now.
 
Thanks P3nT4gR4m for the answer, but how exactly do you feel the bite point? Does it feel like a real clutch? Is it different for each car or is it part of the mechanism?

In terms of the d-pad I swapped to the DFP wheel for GT4 and have never looked back. I found that after a short while I was quicker with it, I think it's down to being able to make more subtle movements.

I'm not saying you can't be quick with the d-pad, just that for me it was a bit quicker and more fun!

I still use the d-pad from time to time i.e when the Mrs has had enough of the wheel being left out :-)
 
Mad Matt
Thanks P3nT4gR4m for the answer, but how exactly do you feel the bite point? Does it feel like a real clutch? Is it different for each car or is it part of the mechanism?

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The clutch really just works like a button. There is no bite point. When its pushed in you shift, and then just let it out. If you barely push the clutch in, it's the same as pushing it in all the way. The only way you can miss a shift is if you try and shift without the clutch depressed. Then it will just shift the car into neutral. You have to push the clutch back in, put the shifter back into the neutral position, and then push it back into gear to get it to reengage. A bad shift will really screw you if it's in the middle of a good battle.
It doesn't work like a real car, but it does add to the sim. The more you use it, the less fake it feels. At first it feels like your playing with a toy, but after a couple of days it feels like your ripping through gears in the race of your life.
 
Mad Matt
Thanks P3nT4gR4m for the answer, but how exactly do you feel the bite point? Does it feel like a real clutch? Is it different for each car or is it part of the mechanism?
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There is no bite point. It's just a pot switch. There's no feedback at all. It's the same with the brake pedal but that suits my style of driving anyway -
 
Mad Matt
Not very realistic then. In real life a good automatic box (DSG for example) shifts faster than any human.

I'm also curious as to how you feel the bite point.
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Same here. How do the pedals simulate the engagement pressure?

Same with the brakes. I read a post on here about how someone prefers ABS turned off in the game to get a better feel for the brakes.
HOW? Unless the pedals somehow push back with resistance in relation to braking pressure.... I have no idea how you get a 'feel' for braking.
 
SouL
I read a post on here about how someone prefers ABS turned off in the game to get a better feel for the brakes.
HOW? Unless the pedals somehow push back with resistance in relation to braking pressure.... I have no idea how you get a 'feel' for braking.
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The same way you do in any racing sim... you listen for the feedback of the tires and pay attention to how the car itself is reacting. Keep in mind you'll get that feedback mighty quick if you turn off ABS but don't dial down the brake pressure (front and rear).
 
P3nT4gR4m
There is no bite point. It's just a pot switch. There's no feedback at all. It's the same with the brake pedal but that suits my style of driving anyway -
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So after playing with the g25 for about 3 hours last night, I got into my car this morning, my real car mind you, and the shifter in my acura (which has always slid like butter) felt really tought today. I was like hmm...maybe I broke it driving home last night. Or....maybe that G25 is messing with my head. Yup...choice #2
 
I got the G25 the week it came out and used it exclusively on the PC until recently. In GT5:P, you can accelerate faster using the clutch and H-shifter because you can keep your revs up. However, PD has not given us the option to adjust the clutch pedal axis. Because of this, I blow a lot of downshifts that I would not have in other sims. Also, you have to push the clutch in too far to "feel" the clutch start to slip. Similarly, it is hard to slowly engage the clutch...again because of the short axis of travel. Until that day comes, it's paddles for me in GT5.

On second thought, with the newest update, all the Time Trials are at Eiger. With so much downshifting to be done, I think this might be a good time for me to suck it up and get some practice in with the clutch and H-shifter. Maybe I will get used to it in this sim.
 

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