GT5s lighting engine

[vulcanproject]

I'm pretty sure you remember Gran Turismo 2, GT Mode CD, with the system "scratch and sniff" with that tyre smell

I want that again!

Indeed. Enough of this moaning about tree realism, if i can scratch and sniff again it will be the ultimate simulator 💡

 

[dancardesigner]

I think you're also confused about what this program does for PD. It's not part of their actual lighting engine... the models come into the engine with illumination already applied. That's not lighting, that's just texturing. The phrase "lighting engine" is used to describe what's actually illuminated in real time by the game engine itself. Namely the cars and track.

While this third-party program does have an impact on the overall look of the game, it has nothing at all to do with it's lighting engine.

In regards to the whole "outsourcing" thing.. I don't see anyone saying that 2K games "outsourced" Bioshock to Epic Games just because they use the Unreal Engine. Companies use third-party assets all the time. In fact, aside from the few companies that build their entire game engines in-house, I'd wager you'd have hard time finding a developer that doesn't use at least one or two third-party solutions.

I'm still confused to what this software does exactly. What affect does it have on the overall lighting, or to put it another way, what's its role?

 

[JamboGT]

Using third party technology isn't outsourcing you know...

 

[dancardesigner]

Using third party technology isn't outsourcing you know...

I do now, i have been told a million times. Funny thing is some of the people that have told me what outsourcing is, in another thread i quoted that PD gets there lighting engine elsewhere, and there imediate reaction was to say ''PD does not outsource, i must be thinking of Guerrilla and there lighting engine''. Funny thing is Guerrilla is using the same thing as PD. People just copy what others say around here.

 

[JamboGT]

I don't mean to be pedantic, but its their, not there. A pet hate of mine lol.

 

[dancardesigner]

I don't mean to be pedantic, but its their, not there. A pet hate of mine lol.

Guess what i spelt immediate wrong aswell, how foolish of me

Edit: Come on guys, this is a record breaking run of the most piffle ever, don't stop now.

 

[JamboGT]

Just going along with the thread in general...

 

[dancardesigner]

Just going along with the thread in general...

I actually can't believe no one has anything to say. 127,043 members and not one has anything to say about it, other than what outsourced means.

 

[dancardesigner]

Just going along with the thread in general...

I actually can't believe no one has anything to say. 127,043 members and not one has anything to say about it, other than what outsourced means.

Think i'll go away and come back and see how the threads progressed......................on its way to been locked.

 

[JamboGT]

I don't know what you expect people to say. They use third party technology for lighting. I would imagine every game company does something similar to this.

So whats your point really? What replies are you looking for?

Just want to say that from the work I have done in Uni so far this seems to be the cas universally.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I do now, i have been told a million times. Funny thing is some of the people that have told me what outsourcing is, in another thread i quoted that PD gets there lighting engine elsewhere, and there imediate reaction was to say ''PD does not outsource, i must be thinking of Guerrilla and there lighting engine''. Funny thing is Guerrilla is using the same thing as PD. People just copy what others say around here.

Just to clarify something.
I didnt knew that PD uses a third party lighting engine like this (i thought they have some in-house stuff from the WWS, i was misinformed), while i knew that GG used this for K2. So i thought you might have confused the two.

I stand correted.

 

[Bogie 19th]

It's interesting information, but that is about it really. It doesn't matter if it's outsourced, 1st, 2nd or 3rd party. All that matters is that it looks good, and it sure as heck does.

 

[zondahelmet]

thanks for posting the article. interesting info, especially for me, as I do research in 3d graphics and illumination algorithms

i dont understand the people saying this thread shouldnt have been made. is the topic pertinent to gt5? yes. so what's the problem?

 

[dancardesigner]

thanks for posting the article. interesting info, especially for me, as I do research in 3d graphics and illumination algorithms

i dont understand the people saying this thread shouldnt have been made. is the topic pertinent to gt5? yes. so what's the problem?

They were dwelling on my missunderstanding of the term ''Outsourced''. I simply ment PD sourced their engine from outside, but ''outsourced'' means different.
Silly really.

 

[jacksmith]

And your point is..?

Exactly!👍

 

[jacksmith]

Well i'm bringing it to light, and also there was a question there if you didn't notice.

What is your problem, im just making a post about something most on here didn't know. What's wrong with that. I never claimed PD said anything of a sort. It's new info as far as most are concerned, plus as i already stated there is a question in there. Damn at least this thread isn't only about trees.
Also someone in another thread said Kaz did deny using outside sources.

Then i would get blamed for getting another thread locked for going off topic lol.

Thankyou for not shooting me down right away

Edit: Well the site does quote to be the best in the industry, so they must be good.

Well seriously, this thread can't be more pointless than trees, and that's still going

It's interesting to note that the lighting engine comes from the same company that provided the lighting engine for Killzone 2, looking at how much that game improved, can't wait for GT5 now. Night races

If i remember correctly, things like this is reffered to as middleware in the industry, and most companys use various forms of such tools depending on what they need.

So they are not really outsourcing but buying tools/tech to do what we get on screen.

Common practice really.

Yes but this is an engine itself, not a tool for developing an engine. I mean other engines like the physics engine in GT5p are in house. Made from scratch. This however is not.

Fair do's. Missunderstanding of the term on my part. Still i think it's an interesting bit of info, especially knowing it's the same engine as in Killzone 2.

All i was basically trying to say is PD source there lighting engine from elsewhere, hence why i got confused with the term outsourced. Im not saying the lighting engine is the be all and end all of gran turismo. I just thought it would be interesting for people to know, as a lot here think that GT build everything from scratch.

Indeed, hence why they keep re-itterating each other

You probably will, christmas tree?

This thread really is going nowhere lol, has no one got anything to say on the topic, other than yet another explanation for the term outsourced?

Don't trip up on the word like me, otherwise we will get another 10'000 explanations. Apparently sourcing tech from outside is not the same as outsourcing lol

I'm still confused to what this software does exactly. What affect does it have on the overall lighting, or to put it another way, what's its role?

I do now, i have been told a million times. Funny thing is some of the people that have told me what outsourcing is, in another thread i quoted that PD gets there lighting engine elsewhere, and there imediate reaction was to say ''PD does not outsource, i must be thinking of Guerrilla and there lighting engine''. Funny thing is Guerrilla is using the same thing as PD. People just copy what others say around here.

Guess what i spelt immediate wrong aswell, how foolish of me

Edit: Come on guys, this is a record breaking run of the most piffle ever, don't stop now.

I actually can't believe no one has anything to say. 127,043 members and not one has anything to say about it, other than what outsourced means.

I actually can't believe no one has anything to say. 127,043 members and not one has anything to say about it, other than what outsourced means.

Think i'll go away and come back and see how the threads progressed......................on its way to been locked.

They were dwelling on my missunderstanding of the term ''Outsourced''. I simply ment PD sourced their engine from outside, but ''outsourced'' means different.
Silly really.

And I have thought you should not or can not triple post in a thread started by yourself,well I lost count and some posts are within minutes.👎👎👎

 

[dancardesigner]

You are a troublemaker, go away, you already ruined another thread, your points are stupid and wrong.

Where did i triple post?

I made one double post, and guess what?, so have you.

Have a hat, or three

If you mean i can't post more than three times then your wrong.

As for bringing up the topic of my missunderstanding of the word ''outsourced'', that has been cleared up and clariffied numerous times through out the thread.

You are clearly making a personal attack, go away TROLL.

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