GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Voodoovaj]

It won't be for that mate if that video is from today they won't have even reviewed the report yet.

Even if you didn't say anything offensive it is more than likely from another message you sent via PSN to someone else in the last week id highly suspect.

PD in game reporting isn't the same as issuing PSN bans in the normal way.

Strange...I never say anything post race.

Oh well, the wife will be happy.

Edit - Maybe it's my sign off? "Upset? call 1 800 0 FKS GVN" ... ya think?

 

[Chevy Heavy]

I will.

But ultimately it's not a massive issue, consistency is probably the biggest factor.

I will say that worn oil does have some affect but the reality looks like it's negligible to but all of the most hardcore/exceptional guys and even then they use the fresh cars.

It's just something I can feel/am sensitive to I think because I pay so much attention to the mechanics of extracting my lap times.

From my experience worn oil will affect lap times in a controlled environment. I notice it occasionally in the weekly TT when I find one that I really like and run too many laps. I'll find my times dropping off and when I exit I have worn oil. Change the oil and the times come back down. Obviously we're talking very minimal gains here, but a little is a lot on the leaderboard.

Now for an extreme example. My Tomahawk X has over 31k miles and is down 24 hp from the stock 2586 hp. This equates on average to over a second per lap at SSX. The car has had hundreds of oil changes and many engine and chassis rebuilds. @GOTMAXPOWER has an infamous high mileage Gr3 911 that he uses in the daily races. If I'm not mistaken, it has never had an engine rebuild. He can probably chime in with some more information about the effects on speed differences during races.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

From my experience worn oil will affect lap times in a controlled environment. I notice it occasionally in the weekly TT when I find one that I really like and run too many laps. I'll find my times dropping off and when I exit I have worn oil. Change the oil and the times come back down. Obviously we're talking very minimal gains here, but a little is a lot on the leaderboard.

Now for an extreme example. My Tomahawk X has over 31k miles and is down 24 hp from the stock 2586 hp. This equates on average to over a second per lap at SSX. The car has had hundreds of oil changes and many engine and chassis rebuilds. @GOTMAXPOWER has an infamous high mileage Gr3 911 that he uses in the daily races. If I'm not mistaken, it has never had an engine rebuild. He can probably chime in with some more information about the effects on speed differences during races.

My Porsche has had many engine rebuilds and it can't get back up to the original HP, the same as your Tomahawk. I don't bother changing the oil on my Gr3 cars now if I'm just using them for daily races, it shows as bad but it doesn't matter as soon as you enter a race with BoP turned on because it equalises everybody's cars to those specs.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Strange...I never say anything post race.

Oh well, the wife will be happy.

Edit - Maybe it's my sign off? "Upset? call 1 800 0 FKS GVN" ... ya think?

If you have to ask.....what do a 12 year olds mom or dad is gonna say when they see that? "Report for bad language" especially if that profile is linked to a younger gamer either via parental sharing or just DoB

We are married, children, dog etc but you have to remember man that any child can play this game and that's just gaming and it explains a lot of the behaviours on track we "experience"

 

[zjn]

It means it's full when the bar doesn't show. Next race if you gain DR will take you in to B again.

Oh... ok, male sense (the explanation, not the empty bar 🙄)
Thanks

 

[newmedia_dev]

My Porsche has had many engine rebuilds and it can't get back up to the original HP, the same as your Tomahawk. I don't bother changing the oil on my Gr3 cars now if I'm just using them for daily races, it shows as bad but it doesn't matter as soon as you enter a race with BoP turned on because it equalises everybody's cars to those specs.

But does it? That's point of the debate, BoP is power and weight vs track rating.

It's all such a black box.

Edit:

Why does oil wear in daily races? Why did wall ridding kill my Veyron chassis?

I only do online racing?

 

[Famine]

DeWalt Subaru

Yep. Search this forum for Dewalt.

Ok, but no messages were sent.

I only said "block pass" at the end..two words

You didn’t send a message except the one that you sent?

Maybe it's my sign off? "Upset? call 1 800 0 FKS GVN" ... ya think?

A pretty obvious open goal for reporting...

Driving standards are not enforced at a general level, so it won't be that.

 

[Voodoovaj]

If you have to ask.....what do a 12 year olds mom or dad is gonna say when they see that? "Report for bad language" especially if that profile is linked to a younger gamer either via parental sharing or just DoB

We are married, children, dog etc but you have to remember man that any child can play this game and that's just gaming and it explains a lot of the behaviours on track we "experience"

Ya, of course, I just can't recall anything offensive.

The worst that I can recall from this week's races is one race where one driver made it a disaster from everyone. I did chime in with "c r a p" which, yes, I know it's not allowed (without the spaces) but, I mean, is THAT really worth a 3 day ban?

Oh well...I guess it's music rally for the weekend 💩

Yep. Search this forum for Dewalt.

🙄 ok

You didn’t send a message except the one that you sent?

Yup

A pretty obvious open goal for reporting...

Whatever happened to fun? What kills me is not knowing. It's just a vanilla violation.

Driving standards are not enforced at a general level, so it won't be that.

Ya, like I said, the worst part is not knowing. How can a person correct a bad behavior if they don't know which behavior is bad?

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

But does it? That's point of the debate, BoP is power and weight vs track rating.

It's all such a black box.

I'm pretty sure it temporarily resets it to those specs as soon as you enter a BoP race, the oil on my Huracan shows as bad but it doesn't lose any time at all on the ghost of the top Lamborghini on the race B leaderboard before the first braking zone.

That was how it worked at launch too but back then it would change how it showed in the garage after the race to "Excellent" until you entered one without BoP on, I don't think that game mechanic has changed just how it is displayed.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Ya, of course, I just can't recall anything offensive.

The worst that I can recall from this week's races is one race where one driver made it a disaster from everyone. I did chime in with "c r a p" which, yes, I know it's not allowed (without the spaces) but, I mean, is THAT really worth a 3 day ban?

Oh well...I guess it's music rally for the weekend 💩

Create an alt account it doesn't cost anything.

I run 2 Europe alt accounts A/B rated for nations and manu cups where I need more time slots due to life. Also helps on those bad combo weeks.

I also have a US account but that usually is to try and find other GTP players or practice from the back with Clean Races as the metric for that one.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I'm pretty sure it temporarily resets it to those specs as soon as you enter a BoP race, the oil on my Huracan shows as bad but it doesn't lose any time at all on the ghost of the top Lamborghini on the race B leaderboard before the first braking zone.

That was how it worked at launch too but back then it would change how it showed in the garage after the race to "Excellent" until you entered one without BoP on, I don't think that game mechanic has changed just how it is displayed.

Cross posted.

I think it does matter just not enough to make a difference.

Wear is applied to the car, the is pretty much indicative of it being part of the mechanic.

And if wear is being tracked when is that wear applied? The menu screen or lap 99 of a QT session? Or through out?

Now is it negligible, while no one has proved one way or the other the times are close enough that it doesn't really, can you feel it? I can but that is only anecdotal in that I feel the car hesitate slightly and yes it needs an oil change.

I think the consensus is that if it does anything it's marginal and in high pressure (qt/races) scenarios the least of anyone's worries.

But car wear is still tracked and applied so BoP just equalises things in a primitive way. The base mechanic is still doing its thing.

 

[Rossell2]

I'm thinking of changing my own post race message to "I'm surrounded by idiots" after recent experiences.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I'm thinking of changing my own post race message to "I'm surrounded by idiots" after recent experiences.

Don't. Just thank people or exit. It's not like you want to make friends with these randomers.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Cross posted.

I think it does matter just not enough to make a difference.

Wear is applied to the car, the is pretty much indicative of it being part of the mechanic.

And if wear is being tracked when is that wear applied? The menu screen or lap 99 of a QT session? Or through out?

Now is it negligible, while no one has proved one way or the other the times are close enough that it doesn't really, can you feel it? I can but that is only anecdotal in that I feel the car hesitate slightly and yes it needs an oil change.

I think the consensus is that if it does anything it's marginal and in high pressure (qt/races) scenarios the least of anyone's worries.

But car wear is still tracked and applied so BoP just equalises things in a primitive way. The base mechanic is still doing its thing.

I can't see it personally, if my old engine is down by as much power at 100% compared to the one in the dealership (around 18bhp) it would definitely make a difference in these BoP races. You see it when the BoP changes, one car loses 1% power and it's suddenly abandoned by all the eSport players, I'm sure it would be noticeable when comparing how my car is going on the straights compared to the ghosts on the leaderboard using rental cars. I think whatever your cars condition their performances are equalised when BoP is on.

Another example, if you change the rear wing on the Silvia Gr4 you can still enter it into the BoP races but you don't gain straightline speed for putting the little wing on.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Cross posted.

I think it does matter just not enough to make a difference.

Wear is applied to the car, the is pretty much indicative of it being part of the mechanic.

And if wear is being tracked when is that wear applied? The menu screen or lap 99 of a QT session? Or through out?

Now is it negligible, while no one has proved one way or the other the times are close enough that it doesn't really, can you feel it? I can but that is only anecdotal in that I feel the car hesitate slightly and yes it needs an oil change.

I think the consensus is that if it does anything it's marginal and in high pressure (qt/races) scenarios the least of anyone's worries.

But car wear is still tracked and applied so BoP just equalises things in a primitive way. The base mechanic is still doing its thing.

See, I always think back to the days when some would set up lobbies for power and weight. Some cars woudl CRUSH it and some would be dogs. Even now, with BoP on, the PP varies greatly, and we know the PP takes far more into account than just power and weight.

For me, there's too much anecdotal evidence. When the racing is close, any little advantage/disadvantage can be a big difference.

Let's say the difference is, all things being equal, 1/10th of a second per lap. Well, that 1/10th might be enough for the following car to draft and catch you, maybe make a pass, maybe cause you to be a full second slower over the lap. That one second now brings the following car into play, etc, etc. The next thing you know, you've dropped 5 places.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I can't see it personally, if my old engine is down by as much power at 100% compared to the one in the dealership (around 18bhp) it would definitely make a difference in these BoP races. You see it when the BoP changes, one car loses 1% power and it's suddenly abandoned by all the eSport players, I'm sure it would be noticeable when comparing how my car is going on the straights compared to the ghosts on the leaderboard using rental cars. I think whatever your cars condition their performances are equalised when BoP is on.

Another example, if you change the rear wing on the Silvia Gr4 you can still enter it into the BoP races but you don't gain straightline speed for putting the little wing on.

You aren't seeing my side of the coin here.

Strip cosmetics off, appreciate that cars wear in the game.

Now lap times don't seem to show a massive difference in the small pool we have.

The cars definitely Rev differently with the varying oil specs they have.

So if I know that I need to go look at the oil is that because I think "it's done the 1000k" best change the oil or it doesn't "feel right" to the previous 99 times I've taken it round for laps over multiple sessions?

This applies to QT which is BoP rated.

As I said consistency is a bigger issue but I can be very confident in when a car is reving with excellent oil and when it isn't, you can feel it in the pedal and the wheel the car just fractionally chugs a bit.

Does it make a difference, probably/most likely not.

Is it there most definitely.

 

[Famine]

Whatever happened to fun?

The PlayStation Network Code of Conduct.

The fact you're trying to censor it as little as possible indicates that you're aware of the message being close to the line, so you can't be surprised about it.

However the Dewalt thing is - while widely known - weird and not communicated anywhere.

 

[cyirush]

In combos like this the times are really really tight and it's fairly easy to match loads of people's times.

The track is really well known now and the cars are so similar that the competition is super close in B this week and in C as is the nature of a popular track and Gr4

I'm .8 off number 1 and 650th for C

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But for B (which I haven't raced this week)

I'm 2 seconds off the top time and 4300

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Just flicking a few pages from my position on the leaderboard and I think this will answer your question

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@Voodoovaj it won't be for that as you can't be banned like that for in game behaviour (several players who cannot be named would have had lifetime bans)

The 3 day PSN ban is because of offensive/threatening messages or liveries.

You can use an alt account fine in this period just not the banned one.

That is close! Might be due to the nature of the track/car combo. Or maybe the game is getting more competitive?

 

[cyirush]

That is close! Might be due to the nature of the track/car combo. Or maybe the game is getting more competitive?

Got my time to within 2.2 seconds of the fastest time Race B and I’m in the 7,000ths now. Should put me mid-pack in B/S lobbies.

Now if I could only be less slow at RA!

 

[Thorson1987]

4 races this morning at Deep Forest to once again try and get out of D.

First attempt finished 3rd, beating a bunch of C's and also a B who spun out at the hairpin on lap 5.

2nd and 3rd attempts absolutely derailed by other drivers. Both times ending up down the bottom of the grid. I did let the anger get a bit better than me after someone was trying to bump me off the road so I tried to return serve and their car ghosted and I slammed straight into the wall.

4th race ended with a 4th place finish to get my DR back up to around where I started.

Not too keen on next weeks races unfortunately.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I did let the anger get a bit better than me after someone was trying to bump me off the road so I tried to return serve and their car ghosted and I slammed straight into the wall.

In the kingdom of the blind a one eyed man is king.

The ghosting is so strong in C/D lobbies.

Here is the thing, that sort of mentality is mostly the issue to be completely candid. It serves no purpose.

I'd also imagine in a C lobby car control generally and the age range of players is quite low. Just drive your race and drive to survive.

 

[Gurzu]

Hi guys, finally, the supposed low '26 is confirmed. Yesterday was another happy day without intentional bumping around, with few wins from pole and many podiums. Don't know if is just me, but in the first few races after a pause I end up doing mistakes. Afterwards is fine. So if your bad luck put you in my same lobby on my first one, I apologise in advance. I find btw the 911 very strong in T1 and T2 vs others (or maybe is the reminiscence in me of lots of "Licence's training" from GT 1 onwards). Still, I don't know if it is lag or getting caught in the slipstream, missing the hairpins is quite common. Being conservative there makes the difference.
Have a nice racing weekend out there.

 

[Dairyworker]

Having A TON of fun and great racing at deep forest this week. To be honest it's a track i struggle with but i really enjoy it. I've gone with the lambo as it seems to be what works best here for me. My 1.26.537 has me starting upper mid pack and still surprisingly the racing has been really clean for the vast majority. I have saved replays but i never seem to take the time to edit them down for sharing, perhaps this time I'll get to it.

The feeling of running multiple laps, hard, with 3-5 cars grouped up, especially here, is among the best the feeling you can get from this game imo. Yes, even better than winning

 

[brockie]

@GOTMAXPOWER @newmedia_dev

Fascinating reading this oil debate, personally I feel it’s a thing, to the point where I have a lot of owned cars with nice liveries, but nothing over a few thousand miles on the clock, I run rentals mostly, because I feel it’s brand new and will give me the best version of the car I want to race,

I’ve certainly felt when the car went just off enough to notice when racing but then again I’m not as good as you are and I reckon this can be driven through because the cars aren’t oil and steel, just simulations of it.

It’s a damn good simulation of the car needing an oil change, or not 😁

 

[mellofello9]

Oh no, Fuji is back again. But I'm not afraid. I just don't like some of the turns there.

Easily one of my LEAST favorite tracks so totally with you on this one. Can never get a lap entirely right no matter how many times I try. I know 'more laps' is the answer but, damn, zero motivation to even learn that place.🤣

 

[Barney Da Dog]

I took a break from racing yesterday as I was making sooooo many mistakes around Road Atlanta, and ended up making more and more the harder I tried. I've done two today though and picked up a couple of wins and seem to have found a better flow through the last chicane - I discovered you can cut more of the left hand part than I thought, giving a slightly better exit up the hill.

I still have no idea how the top guys manage to get in 1:23s!!

Edit/ Tried qualifying again and scraped a couple of hundredths off round Road Atlanta but had an optimal time in the 1:24.38s

 

[newmedia_dev]

I took a break from racing yesterday as I was making sooooo many mistakes around Road Atlanta, and ended up making more and more the harder I tried. I've done two today though and picked up a couple of wins and seem to have found a better flow through the last chicane - I discovered you can cut more of the left hand part than I thought, giving a slightly better exit up the hill.

I still have no idea how the top guys manage to get in 1:23s!!

I did the nations this morning and a few last night at Atlanta.....and my wheel is rubbing my little finger 🤣 I'm 45 years old and it stings a little bit

I have no idea either how a .23 is possible, but my nemesis corner in the Evo is the one on to the back straight.

I just seem not to get the right line in to and out of it 😥

Edit: @mellofello9 it's one of my favs

 

[Barney Da Dog]

I did the nations this morning and a few last night at Atlanta.....and my wheel is rubbing my little finger 🤣 I'm 45 years old and it stings a little bit

I have no idea either how a .23 is possible, but my nemesis corner in the Evo is the one on to the back straight.

I just seem not to get the right line in to and out of it 😥

Edit: @mellofello9 it's one of my favs

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I was behind an Evo for 8 laps - right on his bumper and he'd always pull out a couple of tenths on that long straight. He eventually got a track limit penalty and I squeezed past, then he got another on the last lap so I was able to breathe.

I still pretend I'm in my 40s

 

[brockie]

After having a complete mare this week at DF today has been amazing close clean racing, fell down to BC and couldn’t really get better than the 27.5 I have in QT but in the races it’s been a pleasure, making up 5-10 places per race and I did this in the supra. Defo the straight line speed is helping me here.

But its like driving on eggshells, having to be slow and steady in the corners and exit to stay competitive and also, taking some real care on the hairpin, it really is a case of try to race how you want to be raced against

That and a four pack of beer really helped me today 👌😁

 

[Dairyworker]

after my racing session this morning i went in a managed to cut my qt down to a 26.1 at deep forest. i doubt i'll be able to improve on that, but hopefully it gets me to start up front tomorrow morning and maybe i can get a win before the week is out.

it would seem i didn't save replays for the more dramatic group racing i've had this week, but here is a couple laps from this morning that to be honest is not my best showing. it does however show reasonably well the type of races i have had this week. good spirited hard racing with everyone trying to be clean. i had a bunch of races with a lot of the guys in this clip today.

the video shows my view then the tv style view.