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Barney Da Dog
Don't you just hate congratulating the winner - then watching the replay and find it was him who punted you off and left you dead last in the gravel šŸ™„
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Solid move, actually, as I think you still got the upper-hand. Let's face it, these scenarios suck...šŸ¤£
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It's a fine line, a few beers or a couple of wines (bottle) and I'm fine....smoother and faster....for a few races.

Then it becomes diminishing returns so I stop ;) šŸ·
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GrumpyOldMan
Which do you stop?
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I stop both.....being smoother and faster šŸ¤£

But on the plus side I'm still racing and enjoying the booze šŸ¤£ just not the subsequent results šŸ¤£
 
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newmedia_dev
I stop both.....being smoother and faster šŸ¤£

But on the plus side I'm still racing and enjoying the booze šŸ¤£ just not the subsequent results šŸ¤£
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When I'm 'a touch worse for wear' I stop racing, hop in something classic/vintage and go for a spin round an old-school track like Goodwood/Spa/Brands and just enjoy driving with the clutch and stick-shift, one hand on the wheel and the back end getting loose. :cool:
 
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I managed to improve by almost 1/10th but I don't think I have much more in me. Maybe just maybe a 1:48.2 but I'm so scared of the second chicane and balls-ing it up and then Ascari where I can never take the same line twice lol.

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newmedia_dev
and then Ascari where I can never take the same line twice lol.
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It seems like the only time I can take the same line there is when it's a bad line. By the way, your times are so out of this world, from my perspective, that I can't even imagine. But looking on from the cheap seats, it's a great view!
 
GrumpyOldMan
It seems like the only time I can take the same line there is when it's a bad line. By the way, your times are so out of this world, from my perspective, that I can't even imagine. But looking on from the cheap seats, it's a great view!
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And for perspective I'm 7th on my own leaderboard šŸ˜®

So I think we all are in the cheap seats šŸ¤£

But thank you, I accept you compliment with grace but also a little humility.

I'm a B rated driver after all.







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It is a battle for the top time, or close to it. I've got all weekend to make a move. I hate one of my controllers died. See it was 2-3 years old.
 
Not in my happy place racing tonight. I'm a fairly (fairly chilled guy) I'm not happy with my races quite honestly.

I thought being in the 600th of the world I'd start in pole....I did but what does it matter when 4th wants it more.

Then I bin it compounding the circle of bloody life.

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I think @bone_tone was in some of my races?
 
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newmedia_dev
Not in my happy place racing tonight. I'm a fairly (fairly chilled guy) I'm not happy with my races quite honestly.

I thought being in the 600th of the world I'd start in pole....I did but what does it matter when 4th wants it more.

Then I bin it compounding the circle of bloody life.

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I think @bone_tone was in some of my races?
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Yes, I was languishing at the back in a couple this afternoon!

Managed to hang on to my S SR rating this week, until today when I got caught up in other peoples' accidents in the first chicane - touching other cars that were already going off, and getting a penalty for knocking them off track šŸ˜•

As a B/S I was starting between P8 and P12, once I hit B/A I was starting P14 - some fast drivers at B/A (you included of course!)
 
I'm probably done for this week, but I've really enjoyed being the only not-in-a-citroen chap in most races. I like the Citroen to drive, but I just can't race whatever is popular.

Interestingly, in the US races I've done (high A/S) there have been 6 or 7 different cars in use and very few Citroens.


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So, let me preface this with the fact that Iā€™m very new at live racing. I got pretty good with unlimited tuning time trials but wow, live restricted racing is like starting from scratch.
I can live with the fact that most drivers are way better than me, the part I canā€™t comprehend is, with the BoP and tuning restrictions, when side by side on a straight, cars are killin me. I tried 4 different GT3 cars and also rented one, all with the same results.
Am I better using a car thatā€™s close to the race requirements or de tuning a 700 HP car?
 
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Bojador
Do you have a setup for the McLaren?
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At work just now but sure it was
6/10
20/35
50/48
2.50/2.90
5
53
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BB 4 to the rear

Optimal qualifying time was 1.51.9xx though best I could put together was 1.52.2**

Edit/ after several days racing, I'll try the standard setup and see what times I get. So easy to gain or lose a couple of tenths just being early or late on the throttle.
 
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Jflijohn
So, let me preface this with the fact that Iā€™m very new at live racing. I got pretty good with unlimited tuning time trials but wow, live restricted racing is like starting from scratch.
I can live with the fact that most drivers are way better than me, the part I canā€™t comprehend is, with the BoP and tuning restrictions, when side by side on a straight, cars are killin me. I tried 4 different GT3 cars and also rented one, all with the same results.
Am I better using a car thatā€™s close to the race requirements or de tuning a 700 HP car?
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Several reasons this could happen, and neither of them have to do with tuning. The most common one is that you didn't have as good an exit from the last turn as the others did. An example of this is the long back stretch at Monza, after turn 7.

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If you don't get a good exit from turn 7, people will pass you like you've lost a piston. Trust me, I know. Same for turns 10 and 11.

The other possible reason is that you're driving a car that should be short-shifted (shifted to the next gear well before red line), although with Gr.3 cars, I'm not sure if this applies or not - someone else can comment on this.

But the most likely reason is the first one I gave you. When I did my first race this week at Monza in the 911, several times people passed me like I had a defective car, and my first instinct was to blame the car. But I've kept using the 911, and it wasn't the car's fault - it holds its own just fine against the other cars. It was totally my fault for not getting a good exit from some of the turns.

So my mantra this week has been "It's all about the exits", which isn't 100% true, but it's helped me. I hope it helps you!
 
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Yes, having a good exit from the corners is crucial so people won't pass you. That's the mistake I've been making lately. I go too fast and ruin my corner exits and precise turning during the chicanes, which also slows me down. Sometimes at the Lesmo corners I'll misjudge my speed and miss the turn and go into the sand which gets on my nerves.
 
GrumpyOldMan
Several reasons this could happen, and neither of them have to do with tuning. The most common one is that you didn't have as good an exit from the last turn as the others did. An example of this is the long back stretch at Monza, after turn 7.

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If you don't get a good exit from turn 7, people will pass you like you've lost a piston. Trust me, I know. Same for turns 10 and 11.

The other possible reason is that you're driving a car that should be short-shifted (shifted to the next gear well before red line), although with Gr.3 cars, I'm not sure if this applies or not - someone else can comment on this.

But the most likely reason is the first one I gave you. When I did my first race this week at Monza in the 911, several times people passed me like I had a defective car, and my first instinct was to blame the car. But I've kept using the 911, and it wasn't the car's fault - it holds its own just fine against the other cars. It was totally my fault for not getting a good exit from some of the turns.

So my mantra this week has been "It's all about the exits", which isn't 100% true, but it's helped me. I hope it helps you!
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Wow, great info, thatā€™s what I was looking for. I knew that my corners needed a lot work, but now my straights tooā€¦ šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«. This is becoming a full time job, back to the drawing board.

Also, regarding short shifting, is the purpose to keep the engine near the peak of the torque curve as opposed to the HP curve?
 
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Jflijohn
Wow, great info, thatā€™s what I was looking for. I knew that my corners needed a lot work, but now my straights tooā€¦ šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«. This is becoming a full time job, back to the drawing board.

Also, regarding short shifting, is the purpose to keep the engine near the peak of the torque curve as opposed to the HP curve?
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That's why we keep @GrumpyOldMan around. Sage advice and someone has to feed the chickens and tell us war stories.

Re short shifting, exactly that. There are 2/3 GR 3 cars that need it and a few more GR4 ones that benefit from it.

Usually at the 65-80% of the Rev range mark.

Most don't need to as the torque and power are flat at the top end
 
newmedia_dev
That's why we keep @GrumpyOldMan around. Sage advice and someone has to feed the chickens and tell us war stories.

Re short shifting, exactly that. There are 2/3 GR 3 cars that need it and a few more GR4 ones that benefit from it.

Usually at the 65-80% of the Rev range mark.

Most don't need to as the torque and power are flat at the top end
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...again, much appreciated and speaking of curves, we now have my learning curve šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«
 
I don't usually post videos of full races but a few things stood out and so it's worth sharing.

This is a BB lobby. The race I had was cleaner than any A or above rated lobby I've ever had.

Also the guy I was racing knew how to take a chicane 2 by 2 and either lose or keep a position.

The start of lap 2 is the fun part for me at least.

 
newmedia_dev
I don't usually post videos of full races but a few things stood out and so it's worth sharing.

This is a BB lobby. The race I had was cleaner than any A or above rated lobby I've ever had.
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...and I don't usually watch full-race videos, but in your case I made an exception (for me, not for you - I wanted to see your skills at work.)

Here's some thoughts as I watch your video.

1) You're in a B/B lobby, and you're NOT on pole? How is that possible? There's someone else who qualifies like you do, but sucks at actual races? ("Sucks" is too harsh of a word, but you know what I mean.)

2) Lap 1, second chicane, P1 had a lot of nerve to swing back in front of you right before the chicane. You did a great job of not plowing into him.

3) How do you manage to take the third chicane so fast? I'd give anything to understand that.

4) You're right - that 2-wide chicane was a thing of beauty. And wow - a second one also!

The reason it was such a clean race is that everyone behind you guys got lost, and the one guy you were up against knew how to drive with respect and skill. Kudos to both of you for great driving skills! Too bad about the penalty, but it was still a great race. Thanks for sharing.
 
GrumpyOldMan
nd I don't usually watch full-race videos, but in your case I made an exception (for me, not for you - I wanted to see your skills at work.)
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And I'm both grateful and humbled. It also makes me smile that you'd want to at least watch it. I'm not great at the game but I do try very very hard and knowing you'd watch even snippets is a nice feeling so thank you.

Also I have no skills šŸ¤£
GrumpyOldMan
) You're in a B/B lobby, and you're NOT on pole? How is that possible? There's someone else who qualifies like you do, but sucks at actual races? ("Sucks" is too harsh of a word, but you know what I mean.)
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Without sounding like a dick I thought the exact same thing. This was the 3rd race today where I'm not pole (for those that don't know I'm a B rated driver but usually max SR but I quit loads this week)

Also I absolutely reject grumpy telling me I suck at racing....I do fine at that I just quit or throw to many away....so possibly suck is the right word šŸ¤£
GrumpyOldMan
2) Lap 1, second chicane, P1 had a lot of nerve to swing back in front of you right before the chicane. You did a great job of not plowing into him.
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So here is the thing with that particular move.

Firstly it was not dirty on his part, nor did I consider it late. For a few reasons, he was in front so I was always going to brake earlier, it wasn't in the braking zone (bloody close though hence the very minor tap) and finally he was in front. So while it looked close and felt even closer at the time it was just a very well judged move and he mate the apex even with my tap. All jokes aside clear him and I were racing out of "normal" lobbies.

It would have taken a lot of trust in a BB lobby to make the move he did and not be punted to oblivion.

Hand on heart I'd say the guy was at least A or possibly A+ level driver.
GrumpyOldMan
3) How do you manage to take the third chicane so fast? I'd give anything to understand that.
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Honestly it's just about maximising the left turn the other 2 before it just coast or attack the second one but I short shift so I don't have to shift on the straight.

You have to think of that corner like a pendulum and let it swing back and forth. I only get it right 5% of the time.
GrumpyOldMan
4) You're right - that 2-wide chicane was a thing of beauty. And wow - a second one also!
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It was glorious to actually fight a chicane (2 times) with no contact.

He knew what he was doing because both times he held the position for the next corners.

Personally in a week of rage quits and just running away with things that just felt like a perfect race in the moment and still now. I don't care where I finished just felt memorable to me.

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Grumpy is right the race was better basically because everyone else got tangled up.

I think the difference is the that guy/person I was racing were also experienced and we just ran away from it. No bump drafting or crazy overtakes or slowing the race time down.

We finished 10s ahead of the packs
 
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I really should give up on this. Between the Manufacturer's Cup and Sport Mode lobbies, I've wasted 5 hours today and not once did I have a single goddamn clean race. If some oxygen thief can time it just right, they can just punt you off under braking like you're a snooker ball.
 
DK
I really should give up on this. Between the Manufacturer's Cup and Sport Mode lobbies, I've wasted 5 hours today and not once did I have a single goddamn clean race. If some oxygen thief can time it just right, they can just punt you off under braking like you're a snooker ball.
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I'm going to take my own advice here and say just aim for the the position your in or at the sharp end a top 5

I'm also gonna say people over defend or over attack typically in the lower lobbies (B and below depending on split)

Know it's coming and practice defensive driving (not defensive cornering!!)

Try to avoid getting too close or overtaking in the dangerous places where being run deep or wide is catastrophic.

Also I personally spend a lot of time in QT or the circuit experiences to make sure I'm comfortable with a consistent pace which is what you need to race with. Also it helps me work on my car control which in a lot of circumstances is the difference between being punted to last or being able to nurse it back on to the track.

Watch the vid I posted. There is good racing out there.
 
newmedia_dev
Without sounding like a dick I thought the exact same thing.
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You don't sound like a dick to me, but then again, I understand the context. For anyone else reading this - this guy qualifies like he's close to an alien, but he doesn't have the patience to maintain an A/A+ rating because of the jerks out there, which we can all understand.
newmedia_dev
Hand on heart I'd say the guy was at least A or possibly A+ level driver.
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I totally agree. Sounds like two brothers from different mothers. :)

As for the pendulum thought, I'll give it a try. Although honestly. I'm just about done with this track, I've driven it so many times.

In my last race, this morning, coming up to T1 Lap 1, I was P9 and paying too much attention to the guy behind me and ended up unintentionally dive-bombing T1. I thought I was going to manage to not cream anyone, but I was wrong. I'm still kicking myself for not turning into the infield. As it was, I was so bad I got 5 seconds of penalties. I pulled over, let everyone pass, and typed an apology (then quit, of course), but apologies don't really help the people whose races I ruined.

So my racing morale is a little low right now.

Yet, oddly enough, every time I read some posts here and/or add my own, it gets me jazzed to get back in the race.
 
GrumpyOldMan
I pulled over, let everyone pass, and typed an apology (then quit, of course), but apologies don't really help the people whose races I ruined.
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It goes a long way for both karma and self reflection.

Never stop doing that.

We ALL get it wrong and I mean all of us.

Suck it up. Don't dwell on it.

This week has drained my A/S down to B/B on my main account.

It's because of the track and abilities of our fellow racers or you šŸ¤£) that don't understand how to brake. You literally have to anticipate someone else braking and do it before them. In a concertina like Monza your first corner braking is so so far back.

But the world is full of 1 lap hero's so it doesn't matter where you brake there is someone that either forgets to or is so late it's bowling time.

The thing is with better car control these late brakers would be able to make the corners.
 
Wow, my DR has still not changed after 15 races at Monza. But most of them were not good TBH. Most of them I finished in 8-13th. So a lot of the drivers took my DR away from me, :(

I never apologize to anyone during a race because it does no good, I just suck it up and move on no matter what happened. Well one more day of racing so I don't know how long I'll be awake. I only took a 5 hour nap earlier. The BMB races are bugged, I keep getting error messages when I get close to Lap 4 of the race. So, Idk what's up with that.
 
Rossell2
what'd you reckon to this then? I'm in the Z4 and got demoted to 7th right at the line. Is there a distance thing going on? View attachment 1339957
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What does their replay show?

Yours will only show what you saw, latency included. Theirs will show what they saw, on the same basis. The "real" version - that which the servers decide - will likely be somewhere between the two.
 
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