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VR lap 1/10th slower than @TechnoisRAMMER
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- Thread starter Pigems
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Wow. I must be the only person who understands that an imaginary circuit can't have "right" and "wrong" layouts. It's purely a perception thing. If they had planted a 'reverse' sticker on the original (first) layout of Trial Mountain, would people like it less? Nope, they would say the reverse layout is better.
For all intents and purposes, we should just look at them as extra circuits, as it's well-known by now that they design them to be driven in either direction. Saying it feels wrong isn't the same as driving the wrong direction around Suzuka, for example.
Sorry for the rant, but there's nothing 'wrong' about reverse layouts, it's just personal preference of one circuit over another.
#rantover #neveragain
For all intents and purposes, we should just look at them as extra circuits, as it's well-known by now that they design them to be driven in either direction. Saying it feels wrong isn't the same as driving the wrong direction around Suzuka, for example.
Sorry for the rant, but there's nothing 'wrong' about reverse layouts, it's just personal preference of one circuit over another.
#rantover #neveragain
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Why would you say that? Only one person in this thread has made a negative comment about reverse tracks generally, in relation to Trial Mountain Reverse this week. Even then, personal preference isn't a matter of intelligence and comprehension.
That said, the current Weekly Challenge Special Event somewhat guffs on the notion. It'd be great at Autodrome Lago Maggiore Full, but every corner of the reverse circuit feels like a chore in the 812 Superfast.
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The car absolutely exacerbates it, but Lago Maggiore Full has four corner combinations where the corners are slow on entry and then progressively faster - either opening up after the apex, or additional, later and more open apices - that become just tedious on the reverse circuit as the fast bit becomes slow and then progressively slower. As the 812 accelerates to warp four and the braking zones become measurable on a calendar rather than a ruler, it absolutely feels much worse that way.
Reverse tracks definitely can be much worse, and few are about the same as the forwards variant (usually, but not always, because the forwards variant also sucks; Trial Mountain and Deep Forest are decent both ways, as is DT Gardens). No current one is better, but some have been arguably so - I always preferred Grand Valley East and Midfield in reverse.
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My point was more that they could slap the 'Reverse' label on either of the layouts and no-one would be able to argue otherwise. A person's preference for one or the other doesn't hinge on the name.
Saying that, LM Reverse was excellent fun in the Group 2 race they had there once, I thought.
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Had a really good race at Fuji just now - good because it was simple I guess!
Started from pole
Started on soft tyres (obviously, stupid not to when on pole in my humble opinion) and everyone else besides one was on mediums. Paid off nicely, was over a second ahead by the 2nd corner, well away from any of the potential nonsense or dive bombing behind (exactly what I'd hoped for)
Pitted end of lap 6, was 4.2s ahead at the time.
Everyone else pitted end of lap 9 for softs, by then I was over 7 seconds ahead.
But the soft guys were quicker, luckily by the time they got anywhere near me to have me concerned their tyres were dead and the mediums had enough grip to hold on! (tbf they were catching at well over a second a lap, but that pace only lasted for the first 3 laps on softs before dropping off and I could match them).
I actually did zero practice on mediums before the race, so my few laps on them were accidental feeler laps....
Also - sport mode victory #50 for me! 😍
Buzzing with that!
Started from pole
Started on soft tyres (obviously, stupid not to when on pole in my humble opinion) and everyone else besides one was on mediums. Paid off nicely, was over a second ahead by the 2nd corner, well away from any of the potential nonsense or dive bombing behind (exactly what I'd hoped for)
Pitted end of lap 6, was 4.2s ahead at the time.
Everyone else pitted end of lap 9 for softs, by then I was over 7 seconds ahead.
But the soft guys were quicker, luckily by the time they got anywhere near me to have me concerned their tyres were dead and the mediums had enough grip to hold on! (tbf they were catching at well over a second a lap, but that pace only lasted for the first 3 laps on softs before dropping off and I could match them).
I actually did zero practice on mediums before the race, so my few laps on them were accidental feeler laps....
Also - sport mode victory #50 for me! 😍
Buzzing with that!
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@newmedia_dev now you’re both just making us all look bad 🤣 seriously though, those times on day 1 is super impressive, I’ll be studying your vids 😁
And I stand a little corrected from my earlier comment, maggiore reverse is just terrible! Or I’m terrible at it, or both 😂
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There was me thinking it was my gentle dancing pedal work, the choreography of my hands and feet in motion with the grey matter bringing it all together in to driving excellence…
Yeah basically when I start performance analysing the times ahead of me now properly fast ones are happening (the morning stuff isn’t optimised for lines, braking or acceleration markers)
I notice a similar thing, it’s using trail braking effectively to carry more speed or using the other technique slow in fast THROUGH! Not out!
It’s mostly about being brave to turn in off brakes and being patient so that all the acceleration is just more smooth and drive focused.
18 months ago I was asking for help to get better than top 5000th so it’s definitely a continuous learning journey that is for sure!
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Well that’s me for the day, thought I’d stick 15 laps into TT at trial mountain rather than my usual races.
I’m very close to a 2.01, super close infact, 2.02.128 I was 4 tenths up at one stage so I quit to be regroup another day,
I’m going to work on this less on the brake (brake earlier), bit of coasting (fast!), acceleration through the corners rhythm 😁 but happy so far I’m getting there, 2.01.2xx however might just be a little beyond my current skill set, couple of tenths inside 2.01 and I’ll be happy camping and DR repairing in B this week
I’m very close to a 2.01, super close infact, 2.02.128 I was 4 tenths up at one stage so I quit to be regroup another day,
I’m going to work on this less on the brake (brake earlier), bit of coasting (fast!), acceleration through the corners rhythm 😁 but happy so far I’m getting there, 2.01.2xx however might just be a little beyond my current skill set, couple of tenths inside 2.01 and I’ll be happy camping and DR repairing in B this week
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Weird night at Trial Mountain. Jump on and look at my friends list, yeah I need to be at 2.02 flat or even high 2.01. I try the Huracan first and immediately know I am in trouble. I dont gel with the Lambo tbh, front feels floatyy and I can't tell what my front tyres are doing, but still, I run a best 2.04.8. Ouch. Try the GTR, my god the understeer is insane, Genesis, even worse. I'm really, really struggling, I just cannot feel my front end.
I get the Genesis down to 2.03.3 and decide to enter a race, I go with the GTR, select MT and this helps me rotate, mange a banzai lap of 2.02.5. This grants me pile by well over half a second in S/B rooms and I win mostly because I scooch away and the others squabble.
I am still not comfortable and God help you if you get the last sequence of corners wrong but let's see what tomorrow brings.
I get the Genesis down to 2.03.3 and decide to enter a race, I go with the GTR, select MT and this helps me rotate, mange a banzai lap of 2.02.5. This grants me pile by well over half a second in S/B rooms and I win mostly because I scooch away and the others squabble.
I am still not comfortable and God help you if you get the last sequence of corners wrong but let's see what tomorrow brings.
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I do, I do 🤣
Just wanted to see if there was a 2.01 in me and there is 😁 so I’ll calm now and let it just happen when it happens
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Taking it very easy at TM reverse for now. I first visited the venue long time ago when the Lambo was "The" META, but I was still using a joypad. Starting from a decent 2:01.555 with some 6-8 tenths of improvement. In fact, I don't take the last esses flat yet as it should (3 tenths are just there to take) cause, when in learning process, I prefer to gain consistency avoiding penalties. Tonyt I'll start push a lil more seriously and see.
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2.01.5...... go home youre drunk.
Anyone else struggling for brake markers? I watched Tidges guide but I tend to have my eyes much lower so look for kerb edges, shadows etc and man half the corners are like nope, nothing.
Anyone else struggling for brake markers? I watched Tidges guide but I tend to have my eyes much lower so look for kerb edges, shadows etc and man half the corners are like nope, nothing.
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Man, Race A is an absolute blast this week. An almost perfect car/track combo. Driving it right on the edge is so challenging and incredibly rewarding. I’m absolutely loving it, even when I inevitably dip a rear tyre onto the grass and end up with car trying to make its way to the airfield.
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Id Love to see this track used more often in race A, maybe with a few other small British tracks, but with low weight, low powered cars. Think a caterham, lotus 7, Ford Cortina, even 80s M or AMG jobbies at about 200 hp etc, like generally tossable things but still competent.
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YES!!
Especially on turn 1 (shadow that I rely on in qualy is missing in race!) and at the top of the hill before the right turn. Rest of the lap not so bad. (This is in VR).
I was about to ask @newmedia_dev very nicely if he could suggest suitable references 😬, having absolutely nailed the lap!
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More than happy to help, for T1 in race the Marshall is still there so typically brake just after passing him.l by a few car lengths. The shadow is still there it’s behind the bill boards but you can just about make it out.
The other marker I use is the wall turning to Armco on the right hand side I think I brake a fraction before getting to it.
I did share my lap in game btw if you want to follow the ghost or just look at the replay from different cameras.
HTH 😀
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1st corner: the marshall.
2nd corner: the pick-up on the right as Tig said.
3rd corner: if you struggle to use the tree, use the shadows of the trees on the track entering the corner (you'll find your best spot).
4th corner: the big rock is ok, or when you start seeing the yellow part of the kerbs (distant marker, not easy), but it may be too late sometimes (late apex there). I prefer the rock.
7th corner (banky TM): if you can't use the blank space between the sponsors on the right, use still the sponsors, braking exactly when reaching the first "red/white" board.
8th corner (after the long straight): after the penultimate pillar before the tunnel's exit has left the screen, ideally in the middle between the 2 pillars.
9th corner: Tig's rock on the right is very fine, if it doesn't suit you, use the internal kerb as a "distant brake marker".
10th corner: Tig's rock (another one), your pedal is already down (I mean completely) when you're passing alongside it.
11th corner: when the tunnel begins, or better when entering into the tunnel.
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Had an awful day today on Daily B!
The good, I got my QT down to 2:03.6, which was my aim today.
The bad, I took a hit on my safety rating, going from S to A. It's my fault for reacting to a couple of dirty b******s. Been punted about and late breaked off the track to many times today, which is starting to wear thin.
Got to admit, my enthusiasm to play right now has gone down alot. Too many dirty racers and not enough punishment. Might give it a few days break.
The good, I got my QT down to 2:03.6, which was my aim today.
The bad, I took a hit on my safety rating, going from S to A. It's my fault for reacting to a couple of dirty b******s. Been punted about and late breaked off the track to many times today, which is starting to wear thin.
Got to admit, my enthusiasm to play right now has gone down alot. Too many dirty racers and not enough punishment. Might give it a few days break.
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The side contact has to end, it's ridiculous right now. Brake later than everyone, barge up the inside, push guys off, you make the turn and no penalty. It's insane. I am taking defensive lines (covering the inside) with guys 1.5 seconds behind me if i don't trust them.
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Dude... Math 🙄🫣 It's about 0.2s 🤣 🤪
Also, after setting the latest PB I stupidly had hopes of getting into a clean race.... Same 2 dirtbags from around 3pm also were in my race past midnight! And I took about 25s to get double-nuked to P10 but recovered a bit... And I LOST SR from being nukes yet they both got nothing! No pen, no drop in SR!!! 🤬😡
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As many already said: do not retaliate! When the rage comes, take a pause. It make no sense to practice an hobby in rage mode. Don't interact in chat with those gentlemen either, just ignore them. It is what it is, patience is really needed sometimes. You'll see, sooner or later you'll have finally a wonderful, fair and clean race with people tha know what respect and sportsmanship are. Then, that single race will "make your day", washing away all sadness (most of it). You'll save the replay and watch it fom time to time in future, just to enjoy.
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Yeah I was thinking radicals or mini/clio/something hot hatch from Europe
