GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[BGreenFace]

For now race C for me is russian roulette
The first two race I did were very chaotic and people were just over aggressive but on the third one I started p7. By the end of the GP section I was running in p4 with a close pack from p4 to p12. Then some of the non qualified players overtook some of us and disappeared but I was left with three other drivers and we had a very respectful rest of the race. Yes we had some contact but nothing to terrible but when I sent one a bit wide a waited for him and the guys behind too. In the end I finished p8 (second car of our 4 car battles)

 

[brockie]

Managed 2 wins in 2 this lunch, both real close clean affairs so hats off to those opponents! Man they were tense though, getting all the corners stopped and turned in is nerve wracking 😁

Hopefully as the weeks goes my S rating comes back.

 

[Charmantha]

What's the fuzz all about? The only valid reason for concern I read, came from @newmedia_dev, who wrote that it just might be a testing ground, but we'll see about that. Pay 2 win??? In a race with no DR not even SR rating? Come on the only thing that could take a hit here is someones ego.

 

[benjoi84]

What's the fuzz all about? The only valid reason for concern I read, came from @newmedia_dev, who wrote that it just might be a testing ground, but we'll see about that. Pay 2 win??? In a race with no DR not even SR rating? Come on the only thing that could take a hit here is someones ego.

I somewhat agree with your closing sentence, but i think you're missing the tacit betrayal of the insofar well-held principles of fairness within this online racing community.

 

[brockie]

What's the fuzz all about? The only valid reason for concern I read, came from @newmedia_dev, who wrote that it just might be a testing ground, but we'll see about that. Pay 2 win??? In a race with no DR not even SR rating? Come on the only thing that could take a hit here is someones ego.

Personally I agree with the fuss to a degree, I’d be pooped off if the race I wanted to do I didn’t have the opportunity to because this fastest car was behind some DLC which I didn’t have - and with it any chance of ever winning said race

Where I come from i am happy to pay for the DLC because if all the free stuff we have had since launch, I am happy to contribute to my hobby owners 😁

It will probably annoy ppl more that I have the DLC but I won’t be racing it because I don’t like oval racing and bump drafting

 

[Fezzik]

I do like bump drafting and oval racing, so I've been playing Nascar instead.
Also I have the PP but haven't unlocked the Mustang yet and don't like the 296, so there's not much for me in race A.

Race C is a no go.

B is definitely an option. I enjoy the track, have done hundreds/thousands of Gr3 laps there and it looks like the NSX is the go-to which I like.

 

[Famine]

Personally I agree with the fuss to a degree, I’d be pooped off if the race I wanted to do I didn’t have the opportunity to because this fastest car was behind some DLC which I didn’t have - and with it any chance of ever winning said race.

I do have the DLC*, and can still recognise that this is a crappy move.

In the eight years we've had Sport Mode, this is the first I can recall that players have to own a paid DLC pack to be competitive in a Sport Mode race - and that virtually the entire userbase on a supported console has been excluded from doing so whether they want to own the pack or not. It's never been what PD's online multiplayer is about, but now it is.


While, again, it's not as bad as it could be due to being an unranked race, it absolutely needn't have been this way. A one-make Mustang AR (which is what it would end up being anyway) event with rented cars available includes everyone, whether PP owner or not, whether PS5 owner or not.

*And, to repeat, if you don't have the car but want it, just DM me.

 

[brockie]

I do have the DLC*, and can still recognise that this is a crappy move.

In the eight years we've had Sport Mode, this is the first I can recall that players have to own a paid DLC pack to be competitive in a Sport Mode race - and that virtually the entire userbase on a supported console has been excluded from doing so whether they want to own the pack or not. It's never been what PD's online multiplayer is about, but now it is.


While, again, it's not as bad as it could be due to being an unranked race, it absolutely needn't have been this way. A one-make Mustang AR (which is what it would end up being anyway) event with rented cars available includes everyone, whether PP owner or not, whether PS5 owner or not.

*And, to repeat, if you don't have the car but want it, just DM me.

100%, hence I agree with all the fuss 😁

 

[Charmantha]

I somewhat agree with your closing sentence, but i think you're missing the tacit betrayal of the insofar well-held principles of fairness within this online racing community.

No no, because you don't gain anything from your opponents without the Power pack. And besides we're talking about an oval track, how many really were going to race there. Nowadays many people just like to shout "i am offended".
I get all the statements and would think alike, but not in this particular case. It's like a race in an open lobby.
The funny thing is, i bet 90% from us in this forum would agree with me, that race A, simply should feature a group of maybe 6 different street legal cars, tuning legal, max. Performance points and weather conditions. I want to use the cars that are in my garage.

 

[benjoi84]

No no, because you don't gain anything from your opponents without the Power pack. And besides we're talking about an oval track, how many really were going to race there. Nowadays many people just like to shout "i am offended".
I get all the statements and would think alike, but not in this particular case. It's like a race in an open lobby.
The funny thing is, i bet 90% from us in this forum would agree with me, that race A, simply should feature a group of maybe 6 different street legal cars, tuning legal, max. Performance points and weather conditions. I want to use the cars that are in my garage.

As i mentioned earlier, it's very strange that they decided to make this an open tuning event when they have been traditionally so rare. And you're right, there's nothing to gain nor lose in this race, but that isn't the point. It rubs up the wrong way is all.

It's not important, it just makes me feel differently about the franchise.

 

[Famine]

Nowadays many people just like to shout "i am offended".

Can you point to where anyone has said that or anything approaching that? If not, perhaps don't suggest that it has been said by putting it in quotes or pretending that's the motivation of those that don't agree with you.

No no, because you don't gain anything from your opponents without the Power pack.

This... doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of what's being discussed.

The Power Pack-exclusive Mustang is 1.5 seconds a lap, of a 44.5-second lap, faster than any car that isn't that. In order to access it you need access to a PlayStation 5 and the Power Pack, making this race - quite literally - pay-to-win and excluding virtually every PS4 owner. This is the first time in the history of Sport Mode that any event has divided the playerbase at all, flying in the face of an established ethos over the last eight years. There was absolutely no need to do it either, as it could easily have been a rental car race (including the PS4 and non-PP players), or virtually anything else.

You don't need to be affected by this to comprehend it.

And besides we're talking about an oval track, how many really were going to race there.

I've done two Daily Races in three months. They were at SSRX and yesterday at Daytona.

Not that it matters or is in any way relevant to the concepts in my second section above.

 

[SpacedInvader]

...you're missing the tacit betrayal of the insofar well-held principles of fairness within this online racing community.

Yes, perhaps, but within this online racing community there are plenty of people who'd punt you or me into Narnia without a second thought, even if it just means finishing P8 rather than P9.
If I have any doubts about PD's 'principles of fairness' it's to wonder why they've let that situation go on for years, when they surely could've improved things.
Ultimately, yes, the Race A thing is a dodgy move, but it's only one of three races, and it'll only be around for a few more days. If they keep doing it, maybe the criticism will grow, let's see. If they'd added it as a fourth race, D, would there still be complaints?
I've done this race about 15 times over two days, and it's kinda fun but also boring in the way I like; I can just stay on the throttle and think about what's on the menu for lunch. Anybody unable to play it isn't missing much, and there are two other races.
If next week brings a tuning race at Tokyo with the DLC Supra GT as meta, then maybe we'd have to worry about them making Race A a permanent DLC race, but I very much doubt they'll go down that path.

 

[Gerarghini]

No no, because you don't gain anything from your opponents without the Power pack.

That is so abhorrently incorrect, you can literally look at the leaderboard and the top 500 are using the Mustang. Unless your lobby's Mustang users are so bad they spin themselves out coming to the white flag, you are not winning this race without it. Even if you manage to stay in the lead draft using the 296 (usually sandwiched between a gaggle of Mustangs), you don't have enough power to make the move to overtake.

Hell, to drive the point home, I have done 220 Sport mode races in my GT7 career without a single win, but the moment this race dropped, I decided to use my iRacing/NASCAR skills to the test; I grabbed pole (39th in the world! I do NOT think I'm that good ) and lead all laps to claim my first win and I feel dirty about it

Oh well. I feel like I could easily stat pad but the wins don't feel fair so I stopped last night and I don't think I'll run it again.

Spoiler: yay!

 

[SpacedInvader]

That is so abhorrently incorrect, you can literally look at the leaderboard and the top 500 are using the Mustang. Unless your lobby's Mustang users are so bad they spin themselves out coming to the white flag, you are not winning this race without it. Even if you manage to stay in the lead draft using the 296 (usually sandwiched between a gaggle of Mustangs), you don't have enough power to make the move to overtake.

Hell, to drive the point home, I have done 220 Sport mode races in my GT7 career without a single win, but the moment this race dropped, I decided to use my iRacing/NASCAR skills to the test; I grabbed pole (39th in the world! I do NOT think I'm that good ) and lead all laps to claim my first win and I feel dirty about it

Oh well. I feel like I could easily stat pad but the wins don't feel fair so I stopped last night and I don't think I'll run it again.

Spoiler: yay!

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I don't get why you feel dirty. I've had a couple of wins in it, and I don't. You surely beat a bunch of other Mustangs fair and square. Unless you were the sole Mustang driver, why feel bad?
I like it that Race A sometimes throws up races that people who don't normally win often in Gr3 or Gr4 (like me) can get an odd lucky P1 here or there, or even sometomes get to dominate for a few days.

 

[newmedia_dev]

The stats for race participation still count in A it’s just SR and DR that you aren’t getting and for those that like to race to win rather than performance and safety metrics it’s still something to race with tangible purpose.

The issue isn’t really about P2W or DLC or even console exclusion, it’s the philosophy behind it that is worrying especially so close to Spec 3s release.

It is a dark pattern and also opens the door for using other levers to pull like paid car packs that show a similar or worse performance capacity than what’s available to those without the car pack etc

 

[Childe Roland]

The stats for race participation still count in A it’s just SR and DR that you aren’t getting and for those that like to race to win rather than performance and safety metrics it’s still something to race with tangible purpose.

The issue isn’t really about P2W or DLC or even console exclusion, it’s the philosophy behind it that is worrying especially so close to Spec 3s release.

It is a dark pattern and also opens the door for using other levers to pull like paid car packs that show a similar or worse performance capacity than what’s available to those without the car pack etc

I hope that people punish this odd test with low participation.

At this moment 11.342 players took part of this race

Race A got by the end of last week 52k

I will follow how this numbers evolve

 

[newmedia_dev]

I hope that people punish this odd test with low participation.

At this moment 11.342 players took part of this race

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Race A got by the end of last week 52k

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I will follow how this numbers evolve

I’m going to hypothesise here, a lot of people who actively participate in sports mode (the circa 250k regulars) will look at the leaderboard, see they don’t have that car see how “off the pace they are” try a race and say nah….

I might go back and look at some of the comparable races to this week like the superbird races or the viper race(?) as they anecdotally seemed quite popular for daily A

 

[Gerarghini]

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What does it say when the Mustang isn't even in the top 3 most used

 

[Blade_Rudder]

What does it say when the Mustang isn't even in the top 3 most used

It says that the majority either don’t have the power pack or haven’t acquired the mustang yet.
I tried the 296 on my alt account and was so disappointed being stuck with the bash brigade that I invested about 3 hours into earning the mustang.

 

[newmedia_dev]

What does it say when the Mustang isn't even in the top 3 most used

It implies that the majority of participants don’t have the DLC and that would make a lot of sense….

Sports mode has a player base made of a very different persona to the millions that play only the single player content.

Sports mode isn’t the biggest market, but it’s the safest one to test on especially with A which typically has a highly engaged base but it’s not large most of the time compared to B/C

Most used is not equal to the top 1000 times all use the same car, it just implies that the majority haven’t bought the DLC most likely because they don’t care for racing the AI or just styled/tuned variants of cars already in the game 🤷‍♂️

 

[brockie]

So managed to get my QT down a couple of hundreds 😁 using the NSX at Sardegna, seems like there is some time to be found in that more than the 296, so I think I’m going to take the Meta from here,

Anyone has some characteristics to share with that car as I am relatively new to it, not sure if it takes too well to short shifting and it tends to brake a little later or maybe that’s just me overthinking it 😁

 

[newmedia_dev]

So managed to get my QT down a couple of hundreds 😁 using the NSX at Sardegna, seems like there is some time to be found in that more than the 296, so I think I’m going to take the Meta from here,

Anyone has some characteristics to share with that car as I am relatively new to it, not sure if it takes too well to short shifting and it tends to brake a little later or maybe that’s just me overthinking it 😁

I think the NSX is quite high revving so not great for short shifting, I haven’t done any laps this week so will go give it a go in a sec and report back.

 

[brockie]

I think the NSX is quite high revving so not great for short shifting, I haven’t done any laps this week so will go give it a go in a sec and report back.

Cheers mate, I don’t quite all the technical bits 🤣 but I get to know what’s fastest by trial and error.

Them friggin NSX drivers are the Bain of my life this week so you know, if you can’t beat them 😁

 

[newmedia_dev]

Cheers mate, I don’t quite all the technical bits 🤣 but I get to know what’s fastest by trial and error.

Them friggin NSX drivers are the Bain of my life this week so you know, if you can’t beat them 😁

No worries at all mate I haven’t driven since Saturday so was nice to jump back in.

I only did my daily mileage so the time isn’t near optimal (.1s easily possible)

BB+5
It does brake slightly later but it really is sensitive to if you late brake and then panic brake rather than lift off.

Shift point I was changing at the shift lights so in bumper just rev it out.

For the church left it really works best with throttle patience, and for the awkward fast kink you need to make the turn in early and judge whether to coast longer or get on the power to control the line.

I forgot how nice this combo can be in RMs

 

[brockie]

No worries at all mate I haven’t driven since Saturday so was nice to jump back in.

I only did my daily mileage so the time isn’t near optimal (.1s easily possible)

BB+5
It does brake slightly later but it really is sensitive to if you late brake and then panic brake rather than lift off.

Shift point I was changing at the shift lights so in bumper just rev it out.

For the church left it really works best with throttle patience, and for the awkward fast kink you need to make the turn in early and judge whether to coast longer or get on the power to control the line.

I forgot how nice this combo can be in RMs

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Nice work, I think you just took number 1 spot on my leaderboard 😁 Nebu was there all week but kowalski just nipped him until you just took 3 tenths more 😂

Yeah the church turn in the 296 works so well dropping to second a short shifting to third on extra like a slingshot, but I couldn’t get the same effect on the technical right/left or the last corner outa first so I’m gonna stick with the NSX, just need a decent livery to make it my own!

Sardegna is just my absolute fave track, really takes me back to GTsport and racing a megane gr4 (which was the meta) and the dailies then towards the end stuck for a month!

 

[newmedia_dev]

Nice work, I think you just took number 1 spot on my leaderboard 😁 Nebu was there all week but kowalski just nipped him until you just took 3 tenths more 😂

Yeah the church turn in the 296 works so well dropping to second a short shifting to third on extra like a slingshot, but I couldn’t get the same effect on the technical right/left or the last corner outa first so I’m gonna stick with the NSX, just need a decent livery to make it my own!

Sardegna is just my absolute fave track, really takes me back to GTsport and racing a megane gr4 (which was the meta) and the dailies then towards the end stuck for a month!

I only did laps in the NSX to see if I could offer some advice, will try some others but my instinct is saying that because you can’t clip the curbs as much now that the porker and the NSX are probably the best bets (especially as the Porsche you can viably use first gear) but will try the new prancing horse.

Ironically it was quite the adjustment getting back in to one of the only Gr3 RHD cars, I hit many inside walls on my first laps 🤣

 

[Talon16]

I hope that people punish this odd test with low participation.

At this moment 11.342 players took part of this race

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Race A got by the end of last week 52k

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I will follow how this numbers evolve

Do you know what is required to count as participating? Meaning, does simply doing one quali lap count or is it actual people who do a race?

So like last week's A, I did quali runs on the main but only raced on the alt. Would that count as one or two participants?

 

[newmedia_dev]

Do you know what is required to count as participating? Meaning, does simply doing one quali lap count or is it actual people who do a race?

So like last week's A, I did quali runs on the main but only raced on the alt. Would that count as one or two participants?

I believe it’s how many people time trialled it as there is no place to get race count data at lease publically or undocumented but publically available APIs

Theoretically you could try to get it from players PSN stats but even that doesn’t publicly seem to be available.

Best guess is it just looks at the TT leaderboard API until it finds the last record.

 

[Jpost79]

Race C every week please!

 

[Rossell2]

Does anybody know of any good tunes with the Mustang? Got my downforce set to minimum, but some people are still way out in front.