GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[km666]

That your position on where you start paints a view of you don’t like finishing towards the back or starting their.

Hence your whole initial diatribe.

So don’t? Race the race and finish the best you can, that’s the point of racing. You won’t always be the top dog competitive, see my previous point (which this reinforces btw)

If you can’t be bothered then why should the game be bothered to make you feel better?

Come on, do the laps or don’t but don’t bitch about it when you can’t be bothered to put effort in.

And how do you think rookies think when they rock up and “wow it’s a bit quicker here”

It’s not emotionally fun but grow a pair a understand what racing is mate, it’s showing up and trying to be fair and improve.

The bigger take is you self limiting your ability cap, again that’s a you thing not a game thing.

Weak….im half American and lived in Hawaii for 5 years so I interchange them frequently language wise.

Refer to point 1 I replied to, you value position over race quality or effort. The game rewards effort and gives you places where race quality can exist but you value performance over effort.

Can’t be bothered to improve, expect better racing and pissed off because your lack of trying to improve puts you at the back of faster lobbies…..I mean you got a seat at the table….take it by matching them not moaning about how hard it is, it isn’t it just takes a bit of self reflection on how you are driving and where the time really is (it’s not braking later)

Grow a pair?

It's a game. A game I play maybe an hour a night. It's relevant enough to mention in this specific setting but I'm not losing sleep over it.

If I had room for a trackcar I likely wouldn't want to bother at all. I don't have whatever it is that makes me want to be the best gran turismo online guy.

 

[benjoi84]

This exchange just reminds me how unfortunate the DR-centric (or whatever ranking tool any other online game uses), can creep in and replace "having fun" as the reason we do this in our free time.

Understand that DR is a reference point, not a target.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Grow a pair?

It's a game. A game I play maybe an hour a night. It's relevant enough to mention in this specific setting but I'm not losing sleep over it.

Then why the hell did rant about it, argue with me about it and say you can’t be bothered to go faster but annoyed when you can’t keep farming the lower lobbies??

Pick a lane mate and stick to is.

If I had room for a trackcar I likely wouldn't want to bother at all. I don't have whatever it is that makes me want to be the best gran turismo online guy.

But you don’t have either, and you know that. So why have expectations that annoy you??? You make so little sense.

I’d get frustration, I’d get a bit of rage, but you haven’t once asked for is help, tips, how do you guys deal with x y z.

This is place to vent and share but it’s not an echo chamber it’s a place to improve and discuss….those discussions are not conspiracy secret DR “stuff” lol.

More than happy to offer some advice and technique tweaks, I won’t debate or engage anymore more though bud as we are talking cross purposes here.

 

[km666]

But you don’t have either, and you know that. So why have expectations that annoy you??? You make so little sense.

I’d get frustration, I’d get a bit of rage, but you haven’t once asked for is help, tips, how do you guys deal with x y z.

Neither do you, but I've put in a lot less effort to not be number one.

I can't imagine getting this angry about how somebody else plays a game, hyperfocusing on something I've not said but you've somehow managed to infer from my wanting to be matched with people of my ability that im farming lobbies or some crap.

I definitely don't want any advice from somebody deluded enough to think they're macho for spending hours on a game. That's just bizarre.

 

[Nebuc72]

This went in a crazy direction from a guy just misunderstanding how matchmaking works.

 

[Gurzu]

@km666
Check the followings

In the 1st lobby I was gaining DR even if getting last at the end. Why? Everyone at the start was having more DR points than me.
In the 2nd I could have lost DR getting 6th if only one of the 5 drivers in front of me at the end was starting with less DR points than me.
Matchmaking is sort of random especially if there's a low nr of players online.
I use to have a solid QT before racing, but this doesn't mean pole is granted. Maybe in the 1st race I log in (with significant margin to the 2nd), but then PD will put me in lobbies where drivers have similar QT (+/-).
If I'm dominant in a race finishing 10 or more sec ahead, PD will put me in lobbies with my "average pace". Sometimes in lobbies like the 1st pic. It's up to me to bring home the best I can from lobbies where almost everyone is (arguably) faster than me, looking at DR as a mere speed factor (which isn't in reality).
I believe btw that if you don't set a QT, most probably the matchmaking will put in lobbies where everyone has less or equal DR points than you (mostly less, but it's just my assumption).

 

[MetalApe]

Why are you saying math? You're not American. It's maths and it's MET office style maths.

I hope that's not a dig at MET office maths, they do some amazingly complex brilliant work modelling and predicting weather, my Dad worked for them his whole career.

The problem is the dumbed down UI's on the forecasts used by dumb users. They turn a complex prediction for a block of rain passing around your area into a yes or no will it rain. If you care about whether it's going to rain or not, use a combination of predicted and actual rain radar maps.

After a while you'll learn to interpret a prediction of a certain rain pattern in a way that gives you a good idea of the odds of you getting wet or not. Combine this with monitoring the latest actual rain radar data, in particular how it's moving, and you'll soon learn how to avoid, or be prepared for the rain.

 

[km666]

I hope that's not a dig at MET office maths, they do some amazingly complex brilliant work modelling and predicting weather, my Dad worked for them his whole career.

The problem is the dumbed down UI's on the forecasts used by dumb users. They turn a complex prediction for a block of rain passing around your area into a yes or no will it rain. If you care about whether it's going to rain or not, use a combination of predicted and actual rain radar maps.

After a while you'll learn to interpret a prediction of a certain rain pattern in a way that gives you a good idea of the odds of you getting wet or not. Combine this with monitoring the latest actual rain radar data, in particular how it's moving, and you'll soon learn how to avoid, or be prepared for the rain.

It's that there's stuff happening behind the scenes that you aren't told about as the end user, which makes what you are shown difficult to interpret correctly.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Someone touched on it before but it is best to see DR as finding your sweet spot rather than a target. Look most of us like to get better and rise through the ranks etc, I often QT within 2% of the fastest time in the world but am still DR-B, feels a bit harsh tbh but when I get promoted to DR-A I just do not have the legs to keep up, mid pack at absolute best.

We need to train ourselves that the enjoyment is good racing and it's more fun to race when somewhat competitive than to be hanging on for dear life for a strong P14. I can definitely say that if you do want to progress, unless you have absolute elite pace, you will need to qualify well.

 

[MetalApe]

I think there is an intersting issue around the top split that I often hit. In that there's a bunch of regular fast A+ guys always there. Then there's us plain old A drivers who make the top split, but still way off the A+ guys pace. The impression I get is there's a bit of missing mass of Mid A drivers regularly online who would make the matching work a lot better.

The pyramid structure should really keep us A drivers away from the top A+ drivers more, but I'd guess it's down to those few A+ drivers being online so often the theory doesn't work, so us occasional A racers get stuck running around at the back of those fields.

 

[benjoi84]

There is a weakness in the DR system in that your 'baseline ability' and your proficiency at any given combination don't necessarily correlate. Your ranking can be misweighted in either direction depending on how often you participate in any given event. Of course, we're naturally more inclined to race more often in combos we're better at.

It's not a perfect system by any means.

 

[brockie]

Man I am getting absolutely tired of being in SR B or C and I really can’t get out of it. Do I pull to the side and let them all go and effectively not race and have any one be anywhere near me? This is getting so frustrating of how poor the driving standards are at these levels, all these bends around GVH means there is always someone diving up the inside or ramming you off because they can’t pass you or making some sort of half baked move which ruins multiple ppls races.

Prior to this I was at SR S for longer than I can remember and yes there’s some things happen even at S but never enough to drop a even half a level let alone a level or more.

I am away next week and do you know what, I need a break from it,

(And Breathe)

 

[NevilleNobody]

Man I am getting absolutely tired of being in SR B or C and I really can’t get out of it. Do I pull to the side and let them all go and effectively not race and have any one be anywhere near me?

Yes. Do a few Race C and run an alt strategy in clean air. SR will leap up to S in no time.

 

[Stringerbell]

Yes. Do a few Race C and run an alt strategy in clean air. SR will leap up to S in no time.

@brockie 100% on this.

If you can just accept the tank of say 3 max 4 races by not being overly competitive in race C then you’d be back into SR S mate as the gains are much higher and quicker in SR I’ve found.

Maybe look at it as “purchasing” SR S with 2k worth of DR 🤷‍♂️

Also Suzuka is a fun track so it’s not the end of the world

 

[NevilleNobody]

Also a LOT of errors in race C, the Porsche's rear likes to swing out at T1 and SPoon as you have to trail brake, run an alt strategy, look after the tyres and run alone and I bet you finish top 8 with huge SR gains.

 

[ZEE]

So I will go back to Daily Race B later, as I did some practice races on Sunday, but checking out the Daily Race C today and it was a good blast with the Porsche, took me two races in for a B lobby to get 4th overall which is good. It seems very competiive if you get your pits strategy right. I will keep chugging at it to help boost my DR somewhat. I feel I am stronger on Suzuka than Grand valley at the mo.

Spoiler: Cool race photos!!

 

[Gurzu]

Man I am getting absolutely tired of being in SR B or C and I really can’t get out of it. Do I pull to the side and let them all go and effectively not race and have any one be anywhere near me? This is getting so frustrating of how poor the driving standards are at these levels, all these bends around GVH means there is always someone diving up the inside or ramming you off because they can’t pass you or making some sort of half baked move which ruins multiple ppls races.

Prior to this I was at SR S for longer than I can remember and yes there’s some things happen even at S but never enough to drop a even half a level let alone a level or more.

I am away next week and do you know what, I need a break from it,

(And Breathe)

I agree with @NevilleNobody. Do some C , leaving everybody go at the start, pitting at 2nd or 3rd lap to change tires. Then cruise calmly to the finish line. Your SR will be repaired more easely than in race B.

 

[Stringerbell]

Someone touched on it before but it is best to see DR as finding your sweet spot rather than a target. Look most of us like to get better and rise through the ranks etc, I often QT within 2% of the fastest time in the world but am still DR-B, feels a bit harsh tbh but when I get promoted to DR-A I just do not have the legs to keep up, mid pack at absolute best.

We need to train ourselves that the enjoyment is good racing and it's more fun to race when somewhat competitive than to be hanging on for dear life for a strong P14. I can definitely say that if you do want to progress, unless you have absolute elite pace, you will need to qualify well.

2% QT will put you around the top 3,000-4,000 in the world won’t? What do you think you need to be competitive in A? Unside the top 2,000?

 

[NevilleNobody]

2% QT will put you around the top 3,000-4,000 in the world won’t? What do you think you need to be competitive in A? Unside the top 2,000?

TBH I am closer to 2.5% but in either case no, more like top 7000.

 

[Gurzu]

2% QT will put you around the top 3,000-4,000 in the world won’t? What do you think you need to be competitive in A? Unside the top 2,000?

Between 0.6 and 1 %. To be competitive in A is needed to be inside the 300 on the leaderbord. As per my experience it's a treshold quite representative for being between pole and 6th (maybe 8th) in grid. If you look for pole, inside the 200 becomes almost mandatory.

 

[newmedia_dev]

2% QT will put you around the top 3,000-4,000 in the world won’t? What do you think you need to be competitive in A? Unside the top 2,000?

It depends one player density, in Daily A that’s starting at the sharp end in B if it’s Gr3 then in EMEA it’s a lottery as the density of players is large so way more splits, in the US/NA/SA region you may place better but even then lobbies aren’t always full and you run the reverse problem of having lots of low DR players which means very minimal gains and high potential losses especially when som people in those dr’s are liabilities not deliberately but clumsy none the less

 

[brockie]

Is there any tyres need changing at Suzuka or just a pit required? Will try this when I get home, cheers fellas

 

[Gurzu]

Is there any tyres need changing at Suzuka or just a pit required? Will try this when I get home, cheers fellas

Only pit is mandatory, but it's not easy to make those mediums last till the finish line. My suggestion: always change tire unless you're very good at saving them.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Is there any tyres need changing at Suzuka or just a pit required? Will try this when I get home, cheers fellas

You don't have to but i would, tough going on one set man.

 

[brockie]

Whoa guys, so I did it, jumped out of the way let them past and gained a whole level 😳

@Stringerbell you did say this a few days ago and I should have done it then already!

Couple more and back to S I’ll be 😁

🙏

 

[Bondwhar]

Man I am getting absolutely tired of being in SR B or C and I really can’t get out of it. Do I pull to the side and let them all go and effectively not race and have any one be anywhere near me? This is getting so frustrating of how poor the driving standards are at these levels, all these bends around GVH means there is always someone diving up the inside or ramming you off because they can’t pass you or making some sort of half baked move which ruins multiple ppls races.

Prior to this I was at SR S for longer than I can remember and yes there’s some things happen even at S but never enough to drop a even half a level let alone a level or more.

I am away next week and do you know what, I need a break from it,

(And Breathe)

GVH is such a difficult track to pass so most of the high DR-B players I’m mixing with are dive bombing to pass and trying to protect your SR is difficult if you become like minded.
The issue I’ve found is that I am stuck behind a train of cars and can’t pass, the guys behind think 🤔 they are faster and force the issue. I might race a couple more but won’t miss this train of cars on a daily with only 4 laps!! 🙄🤠

 

[newmedia_dev]

Whoa guys, so I did it, jumped out of the way let them past and gained a whole level 😳

@Stringerbell you did say this a few days ago and I should have done it then already!

Couple more and back to S I’ll be 😁

🙏

I said this about 100 pages back bud, there is a trade off on these sort of weeks it’s DR or SR but rarely can you have both when they set the weeks up like this.

I have two races to post that were quite mundane and in one I gained SR the other I lost it yet the racing was the same and the contact mundane at best.

But I will say they are doing stuff with the servers as the lag and car jumping is unreal at the moment. I assume a bigger update at the end of the month (or packaging some of the bigger update stuff in to it)

Whilst it’s P2P connections there is PSN and PD direct connections that happen as well otherwise we’d all be logged out and real time stats couldn’t be tracked.

 

[brockie]

GVH is such a difficult track to pass so most of the high DR-B players I’m mixing with are dive bombing to pass and trying to protect your SR is difficult if you become like minded.
The issue I’ve found is that I am stuck behind a train of cars and can’t pass, the guys behind think 🤔 they are faster and force the issue. I might race a couple more but won’t miss this train of cars on a daily with only 4 laps!! 🙄🤠

Well back high A after the second race propping up the rear at Suzuka, I’m doing 3/4 straight races, which is a little painfully boring, but the SR gains are staggering!

Will try some more GVH to see if there is any clean racing going or I might have to skip over to brands but my inexperience there might be an issue

@newmedia_dev just not used to such terrible drivers, usually I can keep high BS going for ages, months it been, the odd jump to A and then back again but never been stuck so low, so defo ill do this sooner as it’s a gold mine for SR 😁 but I do concede it’s a good awful week for dailies, and I’m away next week where it’ll probs be amazing

 

[NevilleNobody]

GVH is a horrible race track, great for cruising if that is your thing but as a race track it's rubbish. So much off camber, blind, awkward stuff.

 

[brockie]

It’s actually a really good race track, for the life of me I can’t improve my time there but I have had some good racing here and there, it’s just the dive bombers, I just hate ppl that can’t stay behind and need to jump the queue!

Well, I’m back to BS, you know how much I hate race C, 3 consecutive races! High C to just over mid S. Corker.