GTA VI: General Discussion

[NAXEHT]

Explain the logic of pre-ordering a digital code?

 

[Famine]

Explain the logic of pre-ordering a digital code?

Although it's becoming less and less relevant as advances in bandwidth exceed the pace at which games swell in size*, it's all about the preload. People want to be sure it's all downloaded and installed the moment it unlocks.

Preload is available a week before the game is officially available, and folk can't wait that additional 90 minutes* on launch day.

*Current UK average bandwidth would download 150GB in about 90 minutes; in 2013, downloading all 65GB of GTA5 at average UK bandwidth would have taken around ten hours.

 

[Tomo 427-MS]

*Current UK average bandwidth would download 150GB in about 90 minutes; in 2013, downloading all 65GB of GTA5 at average UK bandwidth would have taken around ten hours.

Thankfully, at the time on 360 it was only about 16gb with an 8gb install from the second disk.

Absolutely insane how much that game bloated.

 

[Dave A]

For consideration:

PlayStation is pulling "previously purchased" digital movies from users' libraries without so much as an apology

Sony has written to customers to advise that hundreds of "previously purchased" digital movies previously available via its online store will "be removed".

www.eurogamer.net

People being happy (or at least complacent enough) to buy revokable licenses is why companies can get away with selling them, and kicking off when the company turns round and revokes them is three steps too late.

100%, although when you buy a film, music or game on a physical media, you don't own the material, it is still just a license to use it, it can't be taken away from you. These companies are taking people for a ride, and everyone jumps on board thinking they're going to have fun on the big dipper when really it's going to chuck them off the moment their usefulness of been exploited.

 

[jonoholland29]

Although it's becoming less and less relevant as advances in bandwidth exceed the pace at which games swell in size*, it's all about the preload. People want to be sure it's all downloaded and installed the moment it unlocks.

Preload is available a week before the game is officially available, and folk can't wait that additional 90 minutes* on launch day.

*Current UK average bandwidth would download 150GB in about 90 minutes; in 2013, downloading all 65GB of GTA5 at average UK bandwidth would have taken around ten hours.

Should be 20 mins on my fancy fibre 😎

But I still pre-ordered, purely just because I know it’s done and paid for

 

[Siasi0]

Y’know the first thing we do

(hope it won’t be behind a paywall tho)

 

[05XR8]

 

[kjb]

Yeah, made worse by the fact there was definitely hints of them reviving the IP a couple years ago through some job postings.

A big question folks are having is what Rockstar does after this since the entire company worldwide has been piled into 1 major studio for the last 3 projects. Some folks want another Red Dead, but I think that story arc has been perfectly done & exhausted its necessary timeline. Others would like to see a new IP. I would like to see them go back into separate studios & get another Midnight Club, as surely they understand what a monumental & taxing undertaking VI has been, something I can't see them eager to repeat for the next decade.

That is really crazy when you think about all the resources they have poured into this game. I would how much it cost to produce the game? I wonder what their break even point is? I am pretty sure with the built in audience for the game plus newcomers and folks like me who have played the game in the past but haven't played in a long time they will make all of that money back. But that would be interesting to know the actual cost of the game

 

[GlamFM]

Explain the logic of pre-ordering a digital code?

I actually like pre-ordering things. Paying for something well in advance makes it feel "free" when I finally get it because the money is already long gone from my account.

I do the same thing with family vacations. I pay for everything ahead of time - in full - , so when we're actually on the trip I can just enjoy it instead of getting notifications that another €5,000 has been charged or whatever.

There's something satisfying about knowing it's already taken care of. And with GTA specifically, pre-ordering somehow makes it feel more real - like it's officially on the horizon instead of just being a future release.

 

[jonoholland29]

Paying for something well in advance makes it feel "free" when I finally get it because the money is already long gone from my account.

🧐 you sound like my wife

 

[Spacegoat]

Should be 20 mins on my fancy fibre 😎

Must be nice...

* Sad Australian Internet noises *

 

[Fezzik]

My below average (but hey it’s how you use it) Sky fibre 100 is currently saying 5h30 mins to download the 130GB of GT7, so yeah I think the GTA preload would be worth it. PS Store speeds are usually useless at the best of times and I expect it’ll crash on launch day, so I’d like to have the game already loaded.

 

[kjb]

I am not sure how much it would be on my internet Spectrum fiber but I it took about 3-4hrs to download 130 GB of WWE2k26 on the PS5. So if I was going to pre- order the preload would be great

 

[McLaren]

That is really crazy when you think about all the resources they have poured into this game. I would how much it cost to produce the game? I wonder what their break even point is? I am pretty sure with the built in audience for the game plus newcomers and folks like me who have played the game in the past but haven't played in a long time they will make all of that money back. But that would be interesting to know the actual cost of the game

There’s been the long standing rumor it’s cost $2 billion to produce without any real sources, but based on the bloated budget other games reportedly keep having, I suppose the chance of it having a $1+ billion budget seems pretty likely.

The initial report was it made $3 billion after preorders opened, but looking back on it now, there’s no way we’d really know until a few days later when that data can be collected and shared. There have been further claims it broke Xbox orders & Sony one as well which does seem probable, but hard numbers still weren’t shared.

It will make its money back though. GTA V broke massive returns after 72 hours & the hype for VI is still just as big. As we get closer & Rockstar share a little more, I think we’ll start getting a better idea of pre-order numbers alone since those will rise as said info is shared, or, a trailer is released.

 

[05XR8]

I look at the amount of voice actors, scripts, code for supposedly AI avatars if they are indeed living their own day to day lives in the game. Could we actually sit on the dock bay and watch workers carry out 9 to 5 tasks? Can we follow behind a taxi and see an avatar enter their vehicle for the day, pick up and drop off passengers and follow them home? Just wondering how involved will the game be outside of the two main characters.

Seriously, the joke about “da club” above. Do those workers have a life outside of that atmosphere? Are some working another job or going to university or have partners? Like in the trailer with biker gangs, can we watch their daily activities? Does all that possible AI coding come at a heavy cost?

 

[McLaren]

I look at the amount of voice actors, scripts, code for supposedly AI avatars if they are indeed living their own day to day lives in the game. Could we actually sit on the dock bay and watch workers carry out 9 to 5 tasks? Can we follow behind a taxi and see an avatar enter their vehicle for the day, pick up and drop off passengers and follow them home? Just wondering how involved will the game be outside of the two main characters.

Seriously, the joke about “da club” above. Do those workers have a life outside of that atmosphere? Are some working another job or going to university or have partners? Like in the trailer with biker gangs, can we watch their daily activities? Does all that possible AI coding come at a heavy cost?

I think it just means the AI will behave more realistically, as in you can see them doing more mundane/normal things in the world like watering their grass, getting on the bus, walking out of stores, things that give the world more "life". V had these occasions in Story Mode, but they were pretty rare & not seen online. You could even occasionally see someone pull into a driveway, but they'd get out & just walk down the street.

I'm not putting a whole lot of expectancy into being able to just follow any random AI from a business to a store to their house, as I feel you'd soon see they're just operating randomly on how they're coded to. I feel this sort of thing is right up there with folks still believing we'll get 70+ interiors and what not. I have a lot of hype for the game & Rockstar can deliver some crazy, detailed interactions, but there's still some things I'm tempering my expectations on.

Edit* Since it was brought up in my last post, there are more stories today about the pre-order numbers. This one unfortunately, is not from Rockstar, but multiple outlets picked up on it as it used the company's stock increase as a basis with an actual source making the claim.

A recent analysis of Take-Two Interactive’s financial activity suggests the company actually generated $1 billion within an hour of preorders going live, highlighting the massive success the game is already having.

Anthony Palomba, a researcher and professor at the University of Virginia’s Darden School of Business, estimates that the stock gains in the first hour alone after the preorders went live suggest an increase of about $1 billion in revenue.

“Take-Two shares rose almost 3% in early trading when pre-orders opened, and some analysts modeled as much as $1 billion in revenue in the first hour alone,” Palomba wrote.

https://www.mensjournal.com/entertainment/gta-6-made-an-eye-popping-amount-of-money-in-just-one-hour

 

[05XR8]

I think it just means the AI will behave more realistically, as in you can see them doing more mundane/normal things in the world like watering their grass, getting on the bus, walking out of stores, things that give the world more "life". V had these occasions in Story Mode, but they were pretty rare & not seen online. You could even occasionally see someone pull into a driveway, but they'd get out & just walk down the street.

I'm not putting a whole lot of expectancy into being able to just follow any random AI from a business to a store to their house, as I feel you'd soon see they're just operating randomly on how they're coded to. I feel this sort of thing is right up there with folks still believing we'll get 70+ interiors and what not. I have a lot of hype for the game & Rockstar can deliver some crazy, detailed interactions, but there's still some things I'm tempering my expectations on.

Edit* Since it was brought up in my last post, there are more stories today about the pre-order numbers. This one unfortunately, is not from Rockstar, but multiple outlets picked up on it as it used the company's stock increase as a basis with an actual source making the claim.

https://www.mensjournal.com/entertainment/gta-6-made-an-eye-popping-amount-of-money-in-just-one-hour

For sure. I'm not going to be disappointed, but curious. However, what I mentioned about hopefully we'll see a construction project finished is something I would expect, if such a project(s) exist.

 

[McLaren]

For sure. I'm not going to be disappointed, but curious. However, what I mentioned about hopefully we'll see a construction project finished is something I would expect, if such a project(s) exist.

The screenshots have revealed a tower under construction. My theory on something like that, since the pre-orders confirmed chapters, is that certain buildings will change over chapters. I don't recall if something similar happened during RDR2, but that's just my belief on it b/c Rockstar has to be more than aware that The Mile High Club being indefinitely under construction is now a gag in the Online community.