GTP Cool Wall: 1961-1968 Jaguar E-Type Series 1

[Wiegert]

Incidentally, in Octane's cool list the E-Type sat behind the Citroen SM, Buick Riviera, Aston DB5 Shooting Brake, Land Rover Series IIA, Ferrari 250 California, Mini and XK-SS. Aside from the Landy, which I just don't rank as cool as some seem to, I'd more or less agree with their list. Though I'd have found space for the Alpine A310 in there somewhere...

Swap the Mini for the A310 and ditch the Landy altogether for a list I'd be in agreement with. presumably with the SM on top.

 

[Zenith]

We're half a page into a discussion about an E-type and we've already started posting pictures of old American trucks. Great job GTP, by next week we'll have comparison stats between a polled car and the nearest 60's Mustang in the OP.

On the E-type...

I never understood the allure. Even more baffling was the number of people going around stating that it was the most beautiful car ever made as if that could be fact. Yes it's pretty, but are my eyes broken? It even looks oddly proportioned from some angles yet fans hail it as Aphrodite with cross-ply tires. Only when I started looking more into the cars built in the first half of the century I knew that these people were just regurgitating some Clarksonism.

That said, it's a British roadster that makes people smile. Cool.

 

[huskeR32]

I never understood the allure. Even more baffling was the number of people going around stating that it was the most beautiful car ever made as if that could be fact.

Couldn't agree more. People stating their opinion as if it were fact is quite annoying. Like this, for example:

Only when I started looking more into the cars built in the first half of the century I knew that these people were just regurgitating some Clarksonism.

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To my eyes, this car is gorgeous, though I'd prefer the coupe. Oddly proportioned for sure, but somehow doesn't matter to me. It easily makes my list of 10 best-looking cars ever made, maybe top 5. Subzero.

 

[homeforsummer]

I never understood the allure.

Nor did I, before I got a chance to drive one.

And I do think it's a very pretty car indeed, but I can certainly think of a dozen cars I find more attractive. Arguably the E-Type's coolness is as much about presence as beauty - it could never be mistaken for anything else, and is equally striking in a dark colour as it is in a bright, attention-grabbing one. That's definitely cool.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You mean like this '95 F-150?

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That had an I-6 option, and the long hood it needed for the engine bay completely ruined it's appearance.

No one other than you gives two bits about that...

 

[Wiegert]

it could never be mistaken for anything else, and is equally striking in a dark colour as it is in a bright, attention-grabbing one. That's definitely cool.

I'd sooner turn my head for a Gunmetal Grey E-Type than any brightly coloured one, honestly.

No one other than you and 'you-know-who' gives two bits about that...

Fix'd.

 

[Panoz]

This thread needs a picture of the coupe version.

Another Sub-zero 60s grand tourer.

 

[Zenith]

Couldn't agree more. People stating their opinion as if it were fact is quite annoying. Like this, for example:

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You honestly think that the majority of people who sing the supremacy of this car's aesthetics do so because they arrived at the conclusion themselves? Have you met car people before? They usually start young, naive, and impressionable enough to absorb the opinions of others rather than form their own.

 

[playnthru]

Not sub-zero but a very solid cool..

(imo) Coupes are sexier than convertibles

 

[Tornado]

I never liked the looks of these. Even when I was little, say 13 or so, I wondered why they felt the need to make it look so much like a penis. And that was well before I was aware that it was "officially" dubbed the best looking car ever; even though just about every car that ripped it off directly did so while cleaning up the odder things about the dseign (Toyota, for starters).



When you put it in terms of the Cool Wall, this about says it best:

This car has a certain problem. As the Mustang in America, it's the go-to classic car, specially in Europe, for guys with new money and such stuff. Too overrated as a classic car, to the point that it's almost obnoxious.

Plus, just like the Mustang, it's owners have a habit of chasing after an image of the car that wasn't actually in tune with reality when it was new; going hand in hand with how you also got those "Not a real 911" style guys who refuse to acknowledge that the car existed at all past 1968. It still warrants a cool, but just barely.

 

[Joey D]

Cool. Very recognizable, quintessentially British, and just a car that oozes appeal. It's not the most beautiful car in the world, but it's definitely a looker and has it's own unique look.

 

[spencer7x7]

For me personally I was gonna vote cool, but something in my gut told me to press meh. Also this reminds me too much of a ding dong.

 

[SomePlayaDude]

Well, it's one car that proves Jaguar k'nose' what to do.

Also, this car serves as the base for the Toyota 2000GT. Yes, back then, Japan was making copycats.

 

[JMoney]

No one other than you gives two bits about that...

Apparantly you do; you took the time to quote me.

 

[Heldenzeit]

Better. The low drag coupe is my personal favorite though.

 

[Famine]

You honestly think that the majority of people who sing the supremacy of this car's aesthetics do so because they arrived at the conclusion themselves?

My dad did, and he died before Clarkson was famous enough to have had his first racist incident.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Apparantly you do; you took the time to quote me.

So because I quote you I some how care about the truck you posted? What kind of backward logic do they teach down there? I quoted you because you derail this thread with crap, and always do this type of thing since you've started posting unless the car is American. Yes it's evident from your post in the "Tasteful Modifications" thread that you like trucks, go suggest it as a cool wall and save it for that. That's the point.


Oh and in case you're that oblivious I wasn't the only one that called out your post, I just was the one that decided to directly let you know by quoting you.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Cartoon car with ridiculous proportions. It may as well be stanced, hellaflush, rat-style, bozukausuzuakauu(?!), or whatever for the level of it's comedic styling. Also, massively overrated in terms of it's looks. Give a crayon to a chimpanzee with a failed labotomy... place a banana infront of it, and watch it draw an E-type.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Cartoon car with ridiculous proportions. It may as well be stanced, hellaflush, rat-style, bozukausuzuakauu(?!), or whatever for the level of it's comedic styling. Also, massively overrated in terms of it's looks. Give a crayon to a chimpanzee with a failed labotomy... place a banana infront of it, and watch it draw an E-type.

Please stop this how dare you!!!











Make me laugh that hard

 

[JMoney]

So because I quote you I some how care about the truck you posted? What kind of backward logic do they teach down there? I quoted you because you derail this thread with crap, and always do this type of thing since you've started posting unless the car is American. Yes it's evident from your post in the "Tasteful Modifications" thread that you like trucks, go suggest it as a cool wall and save it for that. That's the point.


Oh and in case you're that oblivious I wasn't the only one that called out your post, I just was the one that decided to directly let you know by quoting you.

Yeah that truck isn't really modified...

I posted a picture of a truck with an inline-6 to prove a point about cars with inline-6's not needing long hoods, like the Jaguar. I was not going off-topic; there is a clear connection to the inline-6 powered F-150, and the inline-6 powered Jaguar we are discussing the coolness of. There is no reason for the Jaguar to have such a long hood since an F-150 has a similar engine and does not have a long hood. How is my picture at all off-topic?

Also find me three cool wall threads featuring European or Asian cars that I have somehow derailed. If you think you are correct, find them. But now we really are getting off-topic, aren't we?

 

[huskeR32]

You honestly think that the majority of people who sing the supremacy of this car's aesthetics do so because they arrived at the conclusion themselves? Have you met car people before? They usually start young, naive, and impressionable enough to absorb the opinions of others rather than form their own.

I don't care how the majority of people who like this car arrived at their opinions.

I wasn't refuting what you claimed (though I disagree with it), I was pointing out your hypocrisy.

 

[Zenith]

My dad did, and he died before Clarkson was famous enough to have had his first racist incident.

I don't care how the majority of people who like this car arrived at their opinions.

I wasn't refuting what you claimed (though I disagree with it), I was pointing out your hypocrisy.

Fair enough. I guess more people like this shape than I estimated. It seemed to me that is was like a rite of passage for burgeoning car people to declare this the prettiest car in the world.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yeah that truck isn't really modified...

Who said it was...?

I posted a picture of a truck with an inline-6 to prove a point about cars with inline-6's not needing long hoods, like the Jaguar. I was not going off-topic; there is a clear connection to the inline-6 powered F-150, and the inline-6 powered Jaguar we are discussing the coolness of. There is no reason for the Jaguar to have such a long hood since an F-150 has a similar engine and does not have a long hood. How is my picture at all off-topic?

You're point is moot, it'd be like me posting up an MKIV of MKIII Supra and saying "see Jaguar had it all wrong" because the length of the cars don't compare with their I-6 engines. The Jaguar has a triple carb in a 4.2 litre engine while the Truck Six is FI. One takes up far more room (triple carb) than the other. Then you have to take in to consideration the dimensions of the engine to that of the one you wanted to compare, they aren't the same. Also the technology of such a big six cylinder engine for it's time wasn't nearly as condensed as it could have been in the 90s.

You don't think these things out along with other reasons and yet, somehow they're just as comparable as two different hues of green. When in reality they aren't, thus a flawed logic in trying to compared coolness or not. The end.

Also find me three cool wall threads featuring European or Asian cars that I have somehow derailed. If you think you are correct, find them. But now we really are getting off-topic, aren't we?

How are we "really off topic", now we're actually discussing the logic behind what makes people (you and others that may agree with you) select cool or uncool on this specific car. That's quite on topic since I'm not the only one doing this. Also I didn't say you derail threads, what I said is you always do this type of thing with logic on comparing cars it seems, when really the ideas you use aren't correct. If you don't like the damn thing, that's awesome and good for you. However, when you want to muddle it up with "but this is why it's not cool" and that logic can be circumvented against you...issues arise.

 

[Famine]

I posted a picture of a truck with an inline-6 to prove a point about cars with inline-6's not needing long hoods, like the Jaguar. I was not going off-topic; there is a clear connection to the inline-6 powered F-150, and the inline-6 powered Jaguar we are discussing the coolness of. There is no reason for the Jaguar to have such a long hood since an F-150 has a similar engine and does not have a long hood. How is my picture at all off-topic?

I'm afraid I completely misread your post, because the freakishly long nose on that F150 - the driver is sat in the middle of the length! - made me think you were saying that i6 cars need long bonnets, not sarcastically saying they don't.

With that new tone in mind. I've just done some visual trig. The F-150 of that generation has a wheelbase of 133" and a length of 213". The nose to windscreen length looks to be about a third of the former and two-fifths of the latter, which comes out to 85-89" - around 7'1 to 7'5. Let's be really nice and take off 10% because it's at an angle - that's a 76" lower bound.

Doing the same with the side view of a S1 E-Type I get, again, about two-fifths of the 175" body length (70") for the nose to windscreen length and three quarters of the 96" wheelbase (72").

It turns out that the E-Type bonnet measures 70" from the tip of the nose to the firewall.

 

[Tornado]

I must be missing something in this argument because an F-150 with the Straight 6 doesn't look anything like the picture JMoney posted.



Also, not for nothing, but:

Also the technology of such a big six cylinder engine for it's time wasn't nearly as condensed as it could have been in the 90s.

As... curiously odd as JMoney's entire argument is from the start, the only reason the Jaaaaaaaaaaaaag six was much older than the Ford one was because they started making it in the late 1940s instead of the mid 1960s.

 

[Panoz]

I don't know if its just me but that F-150 photo looks like it a photoshop.

@Tornado must have seen it too.

 

[Slash]

It is a photoshop. I thought it was obvious.

That generation truck is nothing but a 3rd facelift from this:

As big as the 300 6 is, it still fits comfortably under that hood.

 

[Famine]

It is a photoshop. I thought it was obvious.

Why would it be obvious? It's a chunk of bobbah from a million miles away and so old that Rolf Harris wouldn't pork it. My care levels wouldn't even reach as high as knowing what it looked like in the first place.

 

[Slash]

Why would it be obvious?

Because the quality of the shop sucks? You cannot possibly be that blind

It's a chunk of bobbah from a million miles away and so old that Rolf Harris wouldn't pork it.

We are going to have to disagree on that.

 

[Famine]

Because the quality of the shop sucks?

Does it?

I can't see anything out of the ordinary, particularly. I mean, sure, it's freakishly long-nosed, but other than that... Nothing that doesn't look like. at worst, a patched-up, beat up heap of crap.

You cannot possibly be that blind

Let's assume for a second that you don't have a dangerously heavy Warnings tab that should dissuade you from making insulting field notes on other members and settle on the part where I don't really give enough of a care about awful, awful white goods that are older than you and never sold on my continent to ever commit to my memory what a "'95 Ford F150" looks like apart from being a pick-up with a Ford badge on it.

Continue.

Or, for preference, don't. We nearly made it to the end of page 1 before we got another "heeeeeeere's Ford" moment in a thread for a car neither a Ford nor American. Page 3 would be just fine without another one.

We are going to have to disagree on that.

Okay. Call it 6,000 miles away instead then.