GTP Cool Wall Rules Discussion/Proposal Thread

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Figure this should be a separate thread away from the Results & Nominations threads. I will edit the OP here for when I'd like to have a discussion about an idea I had for.

Current Discussion Topics
  • Should the option to hide results until you vote continue to be enabled?
  • Should the option to enable changing your vote be enabled?
  • Enabling the changing of votes on the last day of the poll to allow people to fix their mistakes or if their opinions change
  • Should I stay out of threads other than posting the OP?
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  • Suggestion: Allow people to put in their nominations whether to have a Meh option or not - NO!
 
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  • Should the option to hide results until you vote continue to be enabled?
  • Should the option to enable changing your vote be enabled?
  • Suggestion: Allow people to put in their nominations whether to have a Meh option or not (Just a crazy idea I had)
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1. No. Don't see why people shouldn't be able to see the results if they don't want to vote.
2. Worth a try. Should be ditched once/if people start abusing it.
3. No. To get accurate, consistent and comparable results all cars should have the same voting options.
 
  • Should the option to hide results until you vote continue to be enabled?
  • Yes.
  • Should the option to enable changing your vote be enabled?
  • Yes. If you're worried about people changing their votes to the majority, don't. They could always just wait, as most people post their vote in the thread. Allowing it lets people who hit the wrong thing, or people who've had a change of heart/voted without knowing something about it to change their votes.
Suggestion: Allow people to put in their nominations whether to have a Meh option or not (Just a crazy idea I had)
* No. It would really screw with the current ranking system.

Responses in bold. :)
 
1: Yes. As a way to curb voting influence. Results will be made visible after the poll closes anyway.

2: No. Putting at least some thought into your vote before you're certain about making the right choice isn't hard. Why implement an option that'll almost certainly be open to abuse when those who vote are entirely capable of avoiding such mistakes?

3: No. Creating inconsistencies between new polls would be foolish.
 
Wiegert
2: No. Putting at least some thought into your vote before you're certain about making the right choice isn't hard. Why implement an option that'll almost certainly be open to abuse when those who vote are entirely capable of avoiding such mistakes?
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Or people could change their mind in the face of new evidence and discussion.
 
Zenith
Or people could change their mind in the face of new evidence and discussion.
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I've wondered how often that is the case (enough to sway one's vote at least), but it's a fair point. While I'd rather keep things as they are, it's not an option I'd actively oppose so long as it doesn't end up being misapplied.
 
Zenith
My reason opposes "No."

The main point of the Cool Wall is discussion. We discuss to learn and (maybe) change our opinion.

If my opinion is changed my vote should reflect that.
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Oh, I misunderstood. My bad.

In that case, you do indeed bring up a fair point.
 
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I've never seen the point of meh. A car (or in
Jahgee1124
  • Suggestion: Allow people to put in their nominations whether to have a Meh option or not - NO!
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You didn't leave very much time for this point to be discussed!

Personally I wouldn't have had a problem with getting rid of meh. I've never seen the point using it for a vote, because a car is either cool or it isn't. If a car is boring enough for it to be considered 'meh' then it is by definition not cool, therefore uncool. If you really can't make your mind up, then don't vote.

Plus, the cool wall didn't have the meh option when it first started, so from that point of view it wouldn't automatically ruin everything if it wasn't there anymore.
 
Hiding results prevents people from having their vote swayed by majority opinion.
Allowing them to change their vote enables them to have their vote swayed by majority opinion.

It would seem that these two things are mutually exclusive.
 
GTP_Ingram
I've never seen the point of meh. A car (or in


You didn't leave very much time for this point to be discussed!

Personally I wouldn't have had a problem with getting rid of meh. I've never seen the point using it for a vote, because a car is either cool or it isn't. If a car is boring enough for it to be considered 'meh' then it is by definition not cool, therefore uncool. If you really can't make your mind up, then don't vote.

Plus, the cool wall didn't have the meh option when it first started, so from that point of view it wouldn't automatically ruin everything if it wasn't there anymore.
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I agree with this. I only use the Meh vote for cars I nominated. Simply for not believing my vote should not count towards a car I nominated.
 
Having checked the options, I can enable and disable any of the poll options at any time now, so how about this
  • Enabling the changing of votes on the last day of the poll to allow people to fix their mistakes or if their opinions change
 
Jahgee1124
Having checked the options, I can enable and disable any of the poll options at any time now, so how about this
  • Enabling the changing of votes on the last day of the poll to allow people to fix their mistakes or if their opinions change
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Perfect. Just make sure you makea notification post when it's the last day.
 
Jahgee1124
Having checked the options, I can enable and disable any of the poll options at any time now, so how about this
  • Enabling the changing of votes on the last day of the poll to allow people to fix their mistakes or if their opinions change
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Voting for whether something is cool or not should be an instant thing. We are not voting for whether something is good or not, for which you'd need more information. 'Cool' should be instinct. If you feel the need to wait until you've heard, or seen, other people's opinions, then perhaps you shouldn't have been so keen to jump in and vote as soon as you came across the poll in the first place.

I think it should just be left exactly how it is, apart from the first point which I can see the reasoning for.

I also think that 'meh' serves a purpose. I use it when a car is neither particularly note worthy, or whether it's coolness is cancelled out by some negative factor. It's not a none vote, it's just that not everything is either cool or uncool. Sometimes things are just average - which in itself can say more about something than giving it a cool or uncool vote.
 
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Personally, I think people should only be able to change their votes (once) if they contact the curator and say that their finger slipped and they managed to accidentally vote "uncool" when they meant "meh". As @TheCracker said, coolness is an instant thing. Coolness isn't quality.
 
TheCracker
I also think that 'meh' serves a purpose. I use it when a car is neither particularly note worthy, or whether it's coolness is cancelled out by some negative factor. It's not a none vote, it's just that not everything is either cool or uncool. Sometimes things are just average - which in itself can say more about something than giving it a cool or uncool vote.
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The way that I decide on the coolness of a car is by asking myself "is this car cool, yes or no?" If the answer is no, then it's uncool. If a car isn't worthy of note, then it's uncool. That is why I don't see the need for meh.

Personally, I feel that "coolness is cancelled out by some negative factor" goes against the principle of it being a gut decision. It suggests too much thought went into that vote.
 
Keep your opinion post separate from the OP and there'll be no trouble on the management side at all. No-one criticised W&N's running of the cool wall, only his actual opinions on life, the universe and everything.
 
1. Don't see a point for it, but neutral either way.
2. Yes.

Jahgee1124
Having checked the options, I can enable and disable any of the poll options at any time now, so how about this
  • Enabling the changing of votes on the last day of the poll to allow people to fix their mistakes or if their opinions change
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No ones going to remember that.
 
Liquid
Keep your opinion post separate from the OP and there'll be no trouble on the management side at all. No-one criticised W&N's running of the cool wall, only his actual opinions on life, the universe and everything.
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I've kept them separate, but when I do people instantly fire back with the same old "Hurr durr repoll it if you don't like it", which wasn't even the intention of repolling.

As stated with the nomination template, the OP of each cool wall thread is intended for facts only
 
You happen to have brought up something a short while ago which turned out to be an unpopular opinion and some people aren't going to let you live that down. That's par for the course.

But that said, opining about the actual cool wall itself in ongoing threads is pretty redundant because it's not really appropriate, hence this thread, and there's very little wrong with the cool wall at present anyway.

My only gripe is the results calculation; not keen on percentiles, I prefer a simple plurality. But that's not strictly rules. Nothing wrong with the rules.
 

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